Namor v.s. Thor (No Mjolnir)

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Not JUST mid tiers, all feat but calculate the consisitency between them.

And Thor is only faster in flight speed (Even that is only with Mjolnir). Namor has better speed feats on other things.

And don't you know that Mjolnir enchances Thor's punching feats? I mean, he's never destroyed an planet with his own hands or anything. And he can't do stuff like godblast without it either.

In my opinion it's fairly clear that Thor's feat are higher than those of Namor. Yes he has the feats already mentioned, but Thor also has excellent physical showings against Silver Surfer(whome he one shotted), Thanos, Drax with The power Gem(also he was ko'd), etc. Mid tier, high tier, Thor's showings simply trump Namor's. Now that doesn't mean that Namor isn't strong, because he his but he just doesn't stack up to Thor.

Thor also has some nice speed feats of his own. He has ran the length of New York in an heartbeat, ran so fast he became invisible, etc. Thor may not be the "fastest" character, but by no means is he slow.

Since when did Mjolnir enhance Thor's strength? I've never came across that.

Yes Thor can and has used the god blast in a battle. He did so whem fighting Durok the demolisher in Thor v2 #82. Not that it matters considering theres no power allowed in this fight.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
In my opinion it's fairly clear that Thor's feat are higher than those of Namor. Yes he has the feats already mentioned, but Thor also has excellent physical showings against Silver Surfer(whome he one shotted), Thanos, Drax with The power Gem(also he was ko'd), etc. Mid tier, high tier, Thor's showings simply trump Namor's. Now that doesn't mean that Namor isn't strong, because he his but he just doesn't stack up to Thor.

Thor also has some nice speed feats of his own. He has ran the length of New York in an heartbeat, ran so fast he became invisible, etc. Thor may not be the "fastest" character, but by no means is he slow.

Since when did Mjolnir enhance Thor's strength? I've never came across that.

Yes Thor can and has used the god blast in a battle. He did so whem fighting Durok the demolisher in Thor v2 #82. Not that it matters considering theres no power allowed in this fight.

Which can you use better to break an board, your fist or an hammer? It's known fact that if you use an object which is designed for hitting, your striking power increases 10x or something. And Thor has magic hammer to boot.

And again, nobody has said that Thor isn't stronger. But Namor's strength is enough to fight against him in that battle, especially when he is hydrated during the whole duration.

And none of the speed feats you mentioned stack up to Namor's, really.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wolverine holds his own against character with the use of claws, not physical strength.

Namor actually trades blows with them. Makes them feel his punches and takes their punches himself. Has always done so.

The claws and the jobber aura. He would still need to have the strength behind the claws to hurt top tiers and he shouldnt. But somehow he does.

Originally posted by Galan777
And Thor has accomplished all of these feats w/o the Mjolnir?

Any feat where Thor uses Mjolnir as a blunt weapon counts. Its still his strength behind the blow.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Yet there is still that huge difference in strength. You don't see Namor Shaking planets, lifting planet size objetcs, shaking planets with single blows, etc. For Thor these are all to common feats, hence is the reason I believe that's there is a huge gap in their dtrength.

Common as in regular levels? I wish. If planet moving force was common to Thor and Herc, there would be no arguments if they wer above the likes of Superman or not.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Not JUST mid tiers, all feat but calculate the consisitency between them.

And Thor is only faster in flight speed (Even that is only with Mjolnir). Namor has better speed feats on other things.

And don't you know that Mjolnir enchances Thor's punching feats? I mean, he's never destroyed an planet with his own hands or anything. And he can't do stuff like godblast without it either.

Enchanting migth not be the correct word. It adds more damage. But the strength behind its still his. Three of Thor`s higher strength feats wer in fact without Mjolnir.

And no, DC. He can perform the godblast without the hammer. Thats how he killed Durok in the Ragnarok arc, IIRC.

Thor, when he does not hold back is orders of magnitude stronger and faster than Namor.

Thor can fly well enough without Mjollnir to manuver and maintain the same relative positions in battle (Thor threw Mjollnir at the SS in one of their fights in B&T, the Silver Surfer dodge, but Thor flew to maintain the same relative position as before the throw).

The hammer, as per Oeming was created by Odin over the course of millions of years to channel godessence and the Odinforce. Odin's later enchantment let anyone who is worthy to lift the hammer have the powers of Thor.

Once the 60 sec limit was removed Thor's fighting style and tactics clearly changed.

The earliest Thor speed feat that I remember was back in JiM #95 or so, when Thor ran across Central Park and back in seconds. IIRC he also superspeed ran someone to a hospital a few issues later.

In terms of durability, Thor has taken planet busting shots. When has Namor ever taken a planet busting shot.

Namor does have a lot of willpower, and he can last in a fight though, but if Thor is not holding back, Namor will be crushed in minutes (as Thor was fighting in B&T for example or against Exitar when his hammer was DESTROYED).

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Which can you use better to break an board, your fist or an hammer? It's known fact that if you use an object which is designed for hitting, your striking power increases 10x or something. And Thor has magic hammer to boot.

And again, nobody has said that Thor isn't stronger. But Namor's strength is enough to fight against him in that battle, especially when he is hydrated during the whole duration.

And none of the speed feats you mentioned stack up to Namor's, really.

Fair enough statement. Still Though its Thor's strength behind the hammer. Give Namor a durable hammer, and he still won''t have the strength to rattle planets.

That's what I've been arguing, that Namor doesn't have the necessary strength to last with Thor in an extended bloodlusted battle.

What are some of Namor's higher speed feats?

H2H I gotta go with Thor. Namor may be the top of his class but he's not in Thors class imo.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Fair enough statement. Still Though its Thor's strength behind the hammer. Give Namor a durable hammer, and he still won''t have the strength to rattle planets.

That's what I've been arguing, that Namor doesn't have the necessary strength to last with Thor in an extended bloodlusted battle.

What are some of Namor's higher speed feats?

Here are all feats:
http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100333

And like said, Namor doesn't have strength to last in battle, IF this was only strength. But speed and flying can be used too. And Namor has good chances of getting Thor in the water since this fight in on New York and all.