Thanos (Infinity Gauntlet) vs. Darkseid (Ant-Life Equation)

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Without a doubt I read them better than you did. [/B]

You might of read them, but you sure as heck could not discern them.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Nothing on those scans makes me believe that the power of the IG is multiversal. [/B]

So Magus with an INCOMPLETE IG, WARPS the 616 Universe by MERGING it with ANOTHER UNIVERSE that his 5 Cosmic Containment Units created, from his UNIVERSE that was SEPARATED from both,

and you don't consider that Multiversal?

Mind you the IG was INCOMPLETE.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
If it really was multiversal, there would be a s***load of scans where Thanos or Magus or Nebula are destroying universes, or creating them, or whatever. [/B]

In Thanos's case he ONLY wanted ONE Universe.

Eternity went to the Living Tribunal and asked him for help,

And LT let him know he WOULD NOT Interfere, because Thanos ONLY WANTED ONE Universe

In Magus's case he had an INCOMPLETE IG, and STILL managed to CONTROL TWO UNIVERSES from a Universe SEPARATED from both.

Magus's lair was UNIVERSES AWAY from 616 Universe

Doom&Kang find Magus's stronghold after what?

Breaking Through to the Desired Reality.

Magus remakes the 616 universe in his image from universes away, and MERGES the Universe created by the 5 CCU with 616

In Nebula's case, she smacked up the Abstracts with the exception of Eternity who was not there, and she probably would have gone further but she was thwarded by Warlock who physically ENTERED the IG because of his connection to the Soul Gem.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
[b]Nothing like that. The entire IG battle was fought for one thing : the control of the 616 universe. [/B]

Well I think I shed some light on this misinterpretation.

to create the dark dimension, dormmamu merged several realities (again note the fluid terminolgy -- when dormmamu references earth to strange, he oftens says the 'earth dimension' or your dimension -- not always 'universe'😉 in a series of hostile take-overs. the dark dimension is basically an amalgamation or synthesis of many realities. does that mean dormmamu has displayed multiversal power when he cannibalized those other realities?

not imo -- at least not in the way WE'VE been referencing multiversal power.

i'm also unsure where you got the notion that magus "created" his own universe to merge with ours.

the scan clearly says he wandered around and FOUND (as opposed to created) a barren 'region' to call his own. a dimensional corridor seems to say to me that it's a corridor that . . . joins dimensions. he could have wandered this dimensional corridor and STILL remained within eternity '616' since 616 is comprised of many many dimensions. if that is the case, merging dimensions/realities/actualities as he did is NOT an indication of multiversal power anymore than dormmamu's merging the dimensions to create the dark dimension.

do you have other reasons to believe magus DID create a universe OUTSIDE eternity 616?

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm also unsure where you got the notion that magus "created" his own universe to merge with ours.

the scan clearly says he wandered around and FOUND (as opposed to created) a barren 'region' to call his own.

That's because that scan is CLEARLY the WRONG One

Again, please read my posts thoroughly as I do yours,

I NEVER said Magus created his own Universe

I said Magus created a Universe with 5 Cosmic Containment Units

Originally posted by leonidas
do you have other reasons to believe magus DID create a universe OUTSIDE eternity 616?

5 Cosmic Containment Units Create a Duplicate 616 Universe

Then he MERGES this Universe with 616 Universe:

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I like to think it's becuz many people like to hold his jock for him. And shake it after he gets thru peeing. But he's no where near my master and I am NEVER impressed with his scans and HIS interpretations of the events. No matter how many people tell him how great he is.

YOU BOW DOWN AND GIVE MR. MASTER A NICE BLOWJOB !

HE GOT YOU WHIPPED AND LEASHED BY THE TESTES !

Originally posted by Mr Master
5 Cosmic Containment Units Create a Duplicate 616 Universe

cool. but your scan also says the 'galaxy' will be in his thrall. 'galaxy' . . .?

and where did he create this other universe? within his 'barren region', presumeably, where his stronghold was?

Originally posted by leonidas
cool. but your scan also says the 'galaxy' will be in his thrall. 'galaxy' . . .?

and [b]where did he create this other universe? within his 'barren region', presumeably, where his stronghold was? [/B]

So this other Universe that he clearly says he created with his Cosmic Containment Units, appeared magically out of nowhere.

Or is an ACTUALITY and a REALITY a Galaxy in your opinion?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Or is an ACTUALITY and a REALITY a Galaxy in your opinion?

not in MY opinion, but apparently in the author's . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
i agree.

and bran, why wouldn't the IG have control in lt's world -- there were only abstracts there and we know he was above the abstracts . . .? and you said it was second to lt -- aside from hotu i presume -- but the starbrand was going to be used by erishkigal to wipe out the entire multiverse and lt didn't want to battle her because of possible ramifications. they each chose champions to fight with.

lt treated the starbrand similarly to how he treated the IG.

HOTU was over LT, don't really get where your getting at with this... 😕

LT also didn't battle Strange, he got In-Betweener to do it. He does things like that a lot.

But LT was standing at him, and in the end LT knew the results, and it wasn't LT who backed down, he was just seeing what kind of God Adam was.
In fact, if Adam wouldn't have backed down, then we would have had a battle.
Did LT use champions to fight IG? Did LT say he didn't want to battle?
No!

Usually, he only let's his babes and his homies call him LG. Or L to the G-tight.

Originally posted by leonidas
not in MY opinion, but apparently in the author's . . .

In the author's opinion, Magus created a UNIVERSE

"He used his Unknown Power to CREATE a DUPLICATE REALITY, which is now merging with the ORIGINAL"

You chose only to focus on the second part of the statement.

I figure the "galaxy will be in his thrall" line, is because that's where they are at, so that's the main concern.

But if it takes 5 Cosmic Containment Units to create a Galaxy, and it took Thanos ONE to become a Universe, that's weird weird weird...

When it was suggested before that, Magus MIGHT have created FIVE UNIVERSES with those same UNITS:

But here are more clear examples, it was the UNIVERSE that was in jeapardy, all this occured BEFORE Magus acquired the IG:

"The Defense of our UNIVERSE"

"It is my UNIVERSE as well"

"For the good of the UNIVERSE"

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes, but LT's realm isn't 616, now is it? If his power extends to LT's realm, then how far would his power carry?

HOTU was over LT, don't really get where your getting at with this... 😕

LT also didn't battle Strange, he got In-Betweener to do it. He does things like that a lot.

But LT was standing at him, and in the end LT knew the results, and it wasn't LT who backed down, he was just seeing what kind of God Adam was.
In fact, if Adam wouldn't have backed down, then we would have had a battle.
Did LT use champions to fight IG? Did LT say he didn't want to battle?
No!

✅

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes, but LT's realm isn't 616, now is it? If his power extends to LT's realm, then how far would his power carry?

HOTU was over LT, don't really get where your getting at with this... 😕

LT also didn't battle Strange, he got In-Betweener to do it. He does things like that a lot.

But LT was standing at him, and in the end LT knew the results, and it wasn't LT who backed down, he was just seeing what kind of God Adam was.
In fact, if Adam wouldn't have backed down, then we would have had a battle.
Did LT use champions to fight IG? Did LT say he didn't want to battle?
No!

It makes you wonder how deep the writers and artists are thinking when they create the panels.

Your scans suck, they really do. A lot of assumptions, but no proof whatsoever. With each scan I'm thinking : So what ? "The Defense of our UNIVERSE", "It is my UNIVERSE as well", "For the good of the UNIVERSE"...

We all know the universe what threatened, so what's the point ?

So Magus created a duplicate reality : not with the help of the IG, that's for sure, but with his five cosmic cubes.

What does that have to do with the IG ? Nothing.

Once again : the IG gives complete and total control over 1 universe, in this case the 616 universe. All the rest is speculation.

When it was suggested before that, Magus MIGHT have created FIVE UNIVERSES with those same UNITS

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Your scans suck, they really do. A lot of assumptions, but no proof whatsoever. With each scan I'm thinking : So what ? "The Defense of our UNIVERSE", "It is my UNIVERSE as well", "For the good of the UNIVERSE"...

We all know the universe what threatened, so what's the point ?

So Magus created a duplicate reality : not with the help of the IG, that's for sure, but with his five cosmic cubes.

What does that have to do with the IG ? Nothing.

Oh my dear boy,

your so bent on being right that you've completely ignored why those scans where posted of the Cosmic Containment Units.

Leon asked me if I had scans that proved Magus created a Universe, and so I showed him the scans of the 5 CCU creating a DUPLICATE 616 UNIVERSE.

If you had read the following Scan, Magus clearly points out that he has REMADE the 616 in his IMAGE, AND, he MERGED TWO UNIVERSES with the INFINITY GAUNTLET,

At this point Magus HAS his INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet, he does NOT possess the CCUs anymore.

"My TAKEOVER of your ACTUALITY, USING my now MISSING Cosmic Containment Units, WOULD HAVE TAKEN HOURS to Accomplish"

"Other matters have a higher priority now, such as MAKING your UNIVERSE MINE"

With his INCOMPLETE IG, Magus MERGED TWO UNIVERSES in an INSTANT.

Magus with an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet had TOTAL CONTROL of TWO UNIVERSES,

and he himself was in a UNIVERSE separated from these TWO Universes he was TOTALY CONTROLLING!

Magus ALSO TOTALY CONTROLLED the Energies of the Ultimate Nullifier (MULTIVERSAL DESTROYER and REMAKER) with his INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet:

Quasar directed ALL the power of the Ultimate Nullifier at Magus alone

Quasar was actually able to set it off, the same device Reed wiped out and remade the Multiverse with.

Magus controlled those energies and negated Quasar with them, Absolute control..

Notice how they engulf Quasar evenly.

"With a Thought, I turn the Universe's most devastating weapon upon it's bearer"

Now do you understand my child?

The Infinity Gauntlet is much more than you ever realized isn't it?

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Once again : the IG gives complete and total control over 1 universe, in this case the 616 universe. All the rest is speculation.

Actually friend, I know I just proved you WRONG.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Definitely not true. Speculating again.

You shouldn't use the word "Definitely" again, wouldn't you say?

Don't forget that when Morg used the Ultimate Nullifier it didn't destroy the Multi-Verse it just killed Tyrant nothing more

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Don't forget that when Morg used the Ultimate Nullifier it didn't destroy the Multi-Verse it just killed Tyrant nothing more

I haven't forgotten.

Don't forget,

Galactus has used the Ultimate Nullifier to erase ONE individual, aswell as a Universe.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I haven't forgotten.

Don't forget,

Galactus has used the Ultimate Nullifier to erase ONE individual, aswell as a Universe.

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes, but LT's realm isn't 616, now is it? If his power extends to LT's realm, then how far would his power carry?

HOTU was over LT, don't really get where your getting at with this... 😕

LT also didn't battle Strange, he got In-Betweener to do it. He does things like that a lot.

But LT was standing at him, and in the end LT knew the results, and it wasn't LT who backed down, he was just seeing what kind of God Adam was.
In fact, if Adam wouldn't have backed down, then we would have had a battle.
Did LT use champions to fight IG? Did LT say he didn't want to battle?
No!

😕

okay, let's assume for a moment that lt's realm is NOT in the 616. you say that because the IG had power there that means . . . what? the IG is multiversal or at least has power that extends BEYOND 616? does that mean ALL those present have power that extends to . . . wherever, as well? eternity 616 itself retained at least SOME measure of his power. just because they're in lt's realm they were all supposed to be rendered powerless for some reason? 🤨

honestly, i have no idea why you brought up strange or the inbetweener -- unless you meant that to be addressed to someone else . . . 😕

originally you said IG was second in power to lt. that was wrong. obviously hotu is above it and i said that lt treated erishkigal with the starbrand with the same deference he treated adam with the IG -- ie starbrand may well=>IG. hard to back that up those because of a lack of feats, but lt certainly took it to be a very real multiversal level threat.

HAD lt and adam battled, lt would have won at great cost to everything. so, while he didn't SAY he didn't want to battle, he did allude to the fact that he would rather not. it's the same thing he did with erishkigal and he would likely have beaten her as well. in adam's case, i rather doubt adam would have elected to HAVE a champion battle in his name. erishkigal DID so choose. had she forced a fight, her and lt would have fought as well.

frankly, i'm not sure what the point of your rebuttal was. 🙁

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Yes Reed was able to erase the Multi-Verse but Morg was only able to disintegrade Tyrant and even that took 2 blasts from th UN so perhaphs the effects of the UN depends on who is using it. So will never find out what would have happened if Quasar has succesfully fired with it.

Actually the only reason Tyrant was still around after being blasted by the UN, is because Morg was torturing him,

And Galactus played a role in that sequence, that's why the Universe was spared,

I'll explain quickly with proof:

"MORG, the Drone, and the Ultimate Nullifier have MERGED into ONE Weapon"

This gave MORG/Drone total control over the energies of the UN, so here he disintegrates Tyrant's legs,

not because he couldn't erase him completely, but because he wanted to play with Tyrant:

Here Galactus verifies this:

"Time is of the essence, SOON, MORG will grow BORED with this TORTURE and crave New Sport"

Now when the UN was about to erase the Universe, Galactus's World Ship was able to contain the energies with in it, though it was ERASED in the process:

The SHIP and everyone else was ERASED, but Galactus managed to escape at the last instant:

"Tyrant, Morg, Air Walker, GALACTUS....ALL are DEAD"

"They have been Consumed...ULTIMATELY NULLIFIED"

Except for Galactus who escaped.

By the way, MORG NEVER clicked the UN to ERASE the Universe, he chopped his axe into the Drone that was attached to his arm to release the Energies of the UN.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
So will never find out what would have happened if Quasar has succesfully fired with it.

You know who Quasar is?

Protector of the Universe, FULL of COSMIC AWARENESS, if he wanted to ERASE the Universe with the UN, he was more than capable, even more than REED.

With his INCOMPLETE IG, Magus MERGED TWO UNIVERSES in an INSTANT.

He didn't create a "reality" with the IG. He didn't start merging "realities" with the IG.

Third time I say this : he who controls the IG, controls the universe, in this case the 616 universe.

You like scans. Fine. Show me a scan where it clearly says that the IG's power is multiversal.