Does God Smite People? or People Smite People

That is not funny.

EDIT: Or true.

Originally posted by Nellinator
That is not funny.

EDIT: Or true.

not very funny

not literally true

however

God did smite that Job guy (I think his sin was having faith)
he destroyed Sodom and Gromorah,
he ordered the Hebrews to conqure Cannan with no prisoners
he had that whole plagues thing going on in Egypt of a while (then killed the pharoh and his entire army)
his son killed a fig tree for no reason
hit Cain with lightning

so yeah Gods pretty smitey

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
not very funny

not literally true

however

God did smite that Job guy (I think his sin was having faith)
he destroyed Sodom and Gromorah,
he ordered the Hebrews to conqure Cannan with no prisoners
he had that whole plagues thing going on in Egypt of a while (then killed the pharoh and his entire army)
his son killed a fig tree for no reason
hit Cain with lightning

so yeah Gods pretty smitey

Sounds like an evil god to me.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
not very funny

not literally true

however

God did smite that Job guy (I think his sin was having faith)
he destroyed Sodom and Gromorah,
he ordered the Hebrews to conqure Cannan with no prisoners
he had that whole plagues thing going on in Egypt of a while (then killed the pharoh and his entire army)
his son killed a fig tree for no reason
hit Cain with lightning

so yeah Gods pretty smitey

It can be taken that way

but generally he had some sort of reason to smite them (except the fig tree I never understood that story)

I remember someone whining about the fig tree, but it was just one fig tree and it served a far greater purpose. It was used by Jesus to show that if we have faith we can do anything.

he killed it because figs were out of season and he was hungry

so with faith I can screw over people who are literally unable to do what I want them to?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
not very funny

not literally true

however

God did smite that Job guy (I think his sin was having faith)
he destroyed Sodom and Gromorah,
he ordered the Hebrews to conqure Cannan with no prisoners
he had that whole plagues thing going on in Egypt of a while (then killed the pharoh and his entire army)
his son killed a fig tree for no reason
hit Cain with lightning

so yeah Gods pretty smitey

sup dude...

man..tough audience today. sokay..i may have not been very accurate or good wit my original argument. bit of a dink i am at times. so as i apologize for any confusion..let me clarify what i meant.....

..like chris rock would say. god "takes care of his kidz" cause thaz what he posed to do. taking care of your kidz, means disciplining them. I guess discipline should not be categorized in teh same category as smiting, but its loving none the less. i used to whine bout win my parents whopped me when i was younger, but man as i have gotten older, i sure as heck do appreciate those whoopings now.

so if ya love god, then you going to appreciate the discipline. i aint saying ya gonna like it all the time..but you will appreciate it at some point, cause discipline is a form of love...

so i guess the smiting comes in when peeps decide they dont want none of god's loving discipline, and they just do whatever they want. god gives them over to whatever they want to do, even though it may hurt them..cause you cant force someone to be good or loving...they gotta want to be good..so they kind of smite themselves..ya dig?

now since Nellinator so graciously corrected me..let me now correct you symmetric. you aint all that accurate on the job thing..job was a sinner dude..he was very prideful..read the book of job again..if you havent read it. he may have not sinned with "his lips"..but he definitely sinned more than once within his heart..and thats where sin begins buddy.

.. but as you can also see from the book job..job was also a very humble man, prolly more humble than any other man on earth at that time...and repented immediately when god brought the sin to his attention.

so yeah God is real pretty...but he ain't all that smitey...unless you making the same mistake that i originally made, and confusing loving discipline with smitting...

sounds good to me..until of course ive been told that i aint right again..haha

Yes, not that I would.

Something to take into consideration, is that Jesus was omnipotent and,therefore, knew well in advance the consequences of his actions. He knew that the disciples and he would come back to fig tree the following day and that they would see the fig tree shrivelled. I think Jesus knew full well what he was doing, knowing that a valuable lesson would come of it.

Originally posted by supdude

now since Nellinator so graciously corrected me..let me now correct you symmetric. you aint all that accurate on the job thing..job was a sinner dude..he was very prideful..read the book of job again..if you havent read it. he may have not sinned with "his lips"..but he definitely sinned more than once within his heart..and thats where sin begins buddy.

OK thanks for the correction

Originally posted by supdude

so yeah God is real pretty...but he ain't all that smitey...unless you making the same mistake that i originally made, and confusing loving discipline with smitting...

I see a difference between genocide and love

Originally posted by Nellinator

Something to take into consideration, is that Jesus was omnipotent and,therefore, knew well in advance the consequences of his actions. He knew that the disciples and he would come back to fig tree the following day and that they would see the fig tree shrivelled. I think Jesus knew full well what he was doing, knowing that a valuable lesson would come of it.

but what was the lesson?

should we not eat figs?

should we destroy trees?

should we give food we don't have if Jesus tells us to?

Yes God loves children.

That is why he wiped most of them out during the Great Flood...that is why he killed all the First born sons of Egypt during the time of Moses, and that is why he killed all the children at Sodom and Gomorrha as well....

Oh what a loving and rational God we have !

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
but what was the lesson?

should we not eat figs?

should we destroy trees?

should we give food we don't have if Jesus tells us to?

*Jesus answered and said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, 'Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea;' it shall be done. And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive."*

From this lesson comes the well known saying, "Faith can move mountains."

Originally posted by Nellinator
Jesus sums up the lesson himself in Matthew 21:21-22.

*Jesus answered and said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, 'Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea;' it shall be done. And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive."*

From this lesson comes the well known saying, "Faith can move mountains."

Although I find that to be a dangerous train of thought I do love the final quote

"Faith can move mountains" (although I don't take it literally)

Faith is CERTAINLY powerful and can accomplish a whole fkn lot !!!

But it can be just as dangerous as it can be beneficial....

Originally posted by Nellinator
Jesus sums up the lesson himself in Matthew 21:21-22.

*Jesus answered and said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, 'Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea;' it shall be done. And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive."*

From this lesson comes the well known saying, "Faith can move mountains."

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I praise you for that VALID[b] and well thought out argument. ive seen a many a christian posters on this board, some liberal, others neo con, others neo-con liberal baptists, and some just liberal neo-con mormans..but i dont see many christians on here who are as MODERATE as you..without jumping on to [b]EXTREMES well done. but remember that even with faith being important an all..love is the more important thing.

As the bible points out..

1 Corinthians 13:1-13

and if I have all faith so as to remove mountains,
but have not love, I am nothing.

Still much [b]KUDOS[b] to you in CONSISTANTLY taking the moderate position. As it is written..a man of god, will truly "avoid all extremes."

Originally posted by supdude

Still much [b]KUDOS[b] to you in CONSISTANTLY taking the moderate position. As it is written..a man of god, will truly "avoid all extremes."

Even zealotry ?

Originally posted by supdude
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I praise you for that [b]VALID[b] and well thought out argument. ive seen a many a christian posters on this board, some liberal, others neo con, others neo-con liberal baptists, and some just liberal neo-con mormans..but i dont see many christians on here who are as MODERATE as you..without jumping on to [b]EXTREMES well done. but remember that even with faith being important an all..love is the more important thing.

As the bible points out..

1 Corinthians 13:1-13

and if I have all faith so as to remove mountains,
but have not love, I am nothing.

Still much KUDOS[b] to you in CONSISTANTLY taking the moderate position. As it is written..a man of god, will truly "avoid all extremes."

I love the verse you mentioned (Ecclesiasties 7:18) as Ecclesiasties is one of my favourite books in the Bible.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Even zealotry ?

Originally posted by Nellinator
Well in the KJV version of the aforementioned passage it says:
"Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?" Ecclesiasties 7:16. Interesting enough the word translated as destory means more literally 'make thyself lonely' i.e. cut oneself off from the others through 'zealotry' as you call it.

History has proven how deadly Zealotry can be....why toy with such a force ?

Why don't you ask a zealot?

There appears to be quite a few of you on this forum.