Sabertooth vs. Ironfist

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
Is there anyone who actually read IF and knows the outcomes of most of their fights?

actually yeah... in their first fight (sabretooth's first appearance) danny comments on how sabretooth fights with absolutely no skill, just all brute force and speed... eventually sabretooth uses snow glare to temporarily blind iron fist... iron fist then proceeds to clobber sabretooth while blinded.

they fought again and sabretooth and IF were going back and forth so sabes switched off the lights in the room they were in, then he attacked IF using his night vision... IF once again clobbered him in retaliation without being able to see him...

now was DO have to remember this is pre-mauraders sabretooth, this sabretooth only had razor sharp claws, 2 ton lifting max (possibly 3), olympic level agility and enhanced animal senses...

he had nowhere near the fighting skill he was written to have later, he didn't have a healing factor, he didnt' have his trademark super strength and speed, he didn't have any of the weapon x upgrades he's recently been given either.

IF had the chance of beating sabretooth back in the old days but even then it was close and sabretooth's ferocity terrified danny... since then sabretooth aquired noteable superpowers, described combat skills, and has been amplified beyond his "I can knock rogue out in 3 punches and beat down wonder woman in a slugfest" manifestation, on not one but 2 occasions.
iron fist just doesn't have what it takes to beat sabretooth anymore...

Originally posted by rotiart
I thought Sabretooth lost his adamantium ribcage

Originally posted by bigbran
Anyway, the only two people off the top of my head that have danced around Hulk (streetlevel) were Iron Fist and Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Ok. All the X-fanboys need to really check out the Iron Fist respect thread.
What that thread shows, is how things REALLY are in the MU, without the terrible, sales-fuled writing for X-fans that has ruined so many of the characters.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Yes, people, Iron Fist can take Sabertooth.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Yes, he man-handled Wolverine and all of the X-men.

Originally posted by Horrificus
And, yes. He can take Sabertooth.

if he gets lucky... sure.

Originally posted by jinzin
ummmm oooook... 😕
it's possible... but hella far from likely...
he had 1 superior showing against wolverine who was holding back, and then beat on colosus, that's not really "manhandling the x-men" 😬
if he gets lucky... sure.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Um... did you actually see the scans, book or panels?
Logan was NOT holding back. End of story. He fought the X-men for almost 10 pages. That isn't a quick fight, or something left open-ended for the readers interpretation.
Each time one came at him, he clobbered them.
EVERYTIME Logan came at him, WITH HIS CLAWS, he got his hairy arse handed to him.
And, my point about X-fans needing to read the scans, is because there was a time when all the hype, and super histories, and incredible feats were kept down to a tolerable level.
The X titles used to be a totally different animal. They were underdogs -ith mutant abilites. They weren't God-like, as they are written now.
Part of the coolness that went with reading their books, came from actually worrying about them. They were vulnerable. They used to win by being a team.
Now, all the X-men sit around playing cards, and joking about who beat Hulk, or Wendigo or the Silver Surfer the fastest!
Terrible.
There was a time when the characters were well written. The writers didn't just chalk up a win to an instant increase in power. They relied on skill and story and characters and creativity.
Daredevil once beat the Avengers, with SKILL.
Iron Fist was beating the X-Men with SKILL.
Yukio's old father beat Logan almost to death with SKILL and a wooden sword!
Drax and Captain Marvell were threats to Thanos, and they had class 40 strength!

Comics are like an RPG. When they start, you worry about fighting the kobold in the corner... and the first time you cast a summon spell you gasp at the CGI. Once you hit level 25, you hit that stride where you feel on top of the world. But when you hit levels 50+ even the toughest of monsters in the game have a tough time dealing with your relative power set. That's whats happened to comics, the characters have gotten so powerful over time, that now its pretty much all that matters. Strategy and skill got tossed out the window (unless you're Captain America or Batman I guess...)

And yah... someone was saying that the black panther comics are not cannon, the ones with bp beating up current sabretooth. Can someone explain why? I thought the bp comic involving that was cannon. So I may be misinformed as I have only read that one, and the one where mephisto got beat up. Are both of those noncannnon?

I'm trying to grasp that as well.
Didn't it happen in Cival War (the BP pawning Sabes)?

Originally posted by Horrificus
Um... did you actually see the scans, book or panels?
Logan was NOT holding back. End of story. He fought the X-men for almost 10 pages. That isn't a quick fight, or something left open-ended for the readers interpretation.
Each time one came at him, he clobbered them.
EVERYTIME Logan came at him, WITH HIS CLAWS, he got his hairy arse handed to him.
And, my point about X-fans needing to read the scans, is because there was a time when all the hype, and super histories, and incredible feats were kept down to a tolerable level.
The X titles used to be a totally different animal. They were underdogs -ith mutant abilites. They weren't God-like, as they are written now.
Part of the coolness that went with reading their books, came from actually worrying about them. They were vulnerable. They used to win by being a team.
Now, all the X-men sit around playing cards, and joking about who beat Hulk, or Wendigo or the Silver Surfer the fastest!
Terrible.
There was a time when the characters were well written. The writers didn't just chalk up a win to an instant increase in power. They relied on skill and story and characters and creativity.
Daredevil once beat the Avengers, with SKILL.
Iron Fist was beating the X-Men with SKILL.
Yukio's old father beat Logan almost to death with SKILL and a wooden sword!
Drax and Captain Marvell were threats to Thanos, and they had class 40 strength!

aaahhh....the GOOD old days of Marvel......When EVERY book was...
....well written....CONSISTENT....good continuity....ON TIME.....
....and rarely a NO-PRIZE given or warranted.....

drunk

Originally posted by Horrificus
Um... did you actually see the scans, book or panels?
Logan was NOT holding back. End of story.

IF and shang chi are argueably equals in skill wolverine punked him out in 2 pages without trying.

IF had problems with a human sabretooth, wolverine's taken out the enhanced admantiumized version WITHOUT A DAMNED healing factor.

IF got absolutely WRECKED in "fist of the kun lun", wolverine ended up nearly killing the guy that did it.

wolverine was clearly holding back, you can't deny that unless you know jack shit about wolverine and what he's really like.

Originally posted by Horrificus
And, my point about X-fans needing to read the scans, is because there was a time when all the hype, and super histories, and incredible feats were kept down to a tolerable level.
The X titles used to be a totally different animal. They were underdogs -ith mutant abilites. They weren't God-like, as they are written now.
Part of the coolness that went with reading their books, came from actually worrying about them. They were vulnerable. They used to win by being a team.
Now, all the X-men sit around playing cards, and joking about who beat Hulk, or Wendigo or the Silver Surfer the fastest!
Terrible.
There was a time when the characters were well written. The writers didn't just chalk up a win to an instant increase in power. They relied on skill and story and characters and creativity.
Daredevil once beat the Avengers, with SKILL.
Iron Fist was beating the X-Men with SKILL.

so basically your upset that the x-men are doing now what older characters were doing comparatively in the past... pfffft...

Originally posted by Horrificus
Yukio's old father beat Logan almost to death with SKILL and a wooden sword!

Originally posted by rotiart
And yah... someone was saying that the black panther comics are not cannon, the ones with bp beating up current sabretooth. Can someone explain why?

Originally posted by jinzin
that fight happened during the house of m, the historical continuity that unfolded in HOM is NOT the same as the canonical timeline represented in 616, otherwise sabretooth would be dead.. 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
that fight happened during the house of m, the historical continuity that unfolded in HOM is NOT the same as the canonical timeline represented in 616, otherwise sabretooth would be dead.. 😬

Bah. I don't think I realized that Black Panther was set during HOM.

You win. I basically got smoked in this thread 😮‍💨

If Iron Fist was having problems with the Old Creed then current Sabes guts the poor bastard.

it's possible... but hella far from likely...

Co-sign

Originally posted by bigbran
I thought it happened during Cival War.

Originally posted by rotiart
Bah. I don't think I realized that Black Panther was set during HOM.

You win. I basically got smoked in this thread 😮‍💨

Originally posted by grey fox
If Iron Fist was having problems with the Old Creed then current Sabes guts the poor bastard.

Originally posted by jinzin
IF they have fought during civil war I don't know about it.... got scans?

Thats the one I'm thinking of too.

Originally posted by bigbran
The one where BP cut his head off?
I think that is what we are all talking about.

Originally posted by rotiart
Thats the one I'm thinking of too.

then yeah, that happened during the house of m story arch NOT civil war.

just did a google search on "black panther sabretooth" I guess i forgot the storyline. 😄

oh well.

Originally posted by rotiart
just did a google search on "black panther sabretooth" I guess i forgot the storyline. 😄

oh well.