Originally posted by starkingok lets begin now shall we.
You keep on talking about how Orion is bein written down and has been "retconned" into a wimp. Well first of all, retcon isn't the correct definition for what been done to Orion. When your so obssesed with putting down a character, that you misuse the meaning of a word, you know you have some kind of problem. Orion has been depowered, based on what? Your always talking about how you show on panel evidence, to back up your claims, yet you don't always practice what you preach. How has Orion been depowered, please give actual examples that suggest we should rank him at a lower level.As for the rest, I didn't say anything about Orion and Firestorm being a match for Tyrant. I didn't even imply such a thing. I was just using that showing to prove, that even a current inconsistent Ds still has some juice left in him.
Seid could possibly put down that team that went against Tyrant. He's created herald/transcendent level characters before, with just a small portion of his power. And that Losh scan you showed me, with an older and weaker Ds standing up to all those low herald level characters,(and even imprisoning them earlier on) shows how godly he can be.
And please, don't give me that crap about how he was "snatching other peoples and was koed for one thousand years". Anyone who can properly read, can easily see that Seid wasn't in very good shape to begin with. Which is kinda why he brought young Darkseid to the future....you know to use his body so he could be back in shape.....
There you go with that Raker bullshit again. Raker, I repeat DID NOT do anything significant. I f you actually knew the context of that story(and for Days of vegence), then you would realize that using that instance to put down Ds is irrelevent. He wasn't trying to kill Raker, because he needed him on Apokolips to keep the hope of the lowlies down.
As for Superman, do you need me to show you several instances of Ds pwning Supes?
And the Doomsday thing was an avatar, but I don't feel like going through that bullshit again.
The reason I feel Seid could pull this off, is because Seid is perhaps one of the most powerful skyfathers in comics(looking at how he has been portrayed in most of his appearances). An avatar created a reality. Do you know how big of a feat that is? And his ability to create a transcendent level, gives the power gap between him and herald/top tier level.
I wish you and others would actually examine the characters history, before you went on how he's lost to Superman. [/B]
orion is currently breaking out of titanium boxes and losing to hand gestures. his whole life he has been fighting darkseid and he seems to be getting worse at it. supes beats down ds while orion loses to a hand gesture with help. what a wimp. 😆
seid couldnt take that team that went after tyrant as he cant take down superman who is less than the silver surfer.
ds hasnt pawned superman in years in a fair fight. he cheapshotted him after supes pulled his ass off the source wall.
im not obsessed with putting down a character. orion is being written down.
ok in foundations darkseid had a team of his own. always does becuz he cant do anything on his own. he always needs an army of some sort becuz he cant do anything amazing on his own for the most part he always needs help.
he had men backing him up and was stealing their powers and a younger im not even superman mentally beat the shit out of him.
darkseid stole powers and lost to an inexperienced all im armed with is my heart superman.
darkseid loses to superman all the time basically. the present the past and in the future.
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raker put darkseid down and he did nothing to raker at all. raker dominated him. examine the comic.
in hunter and prey it was the real deal. that retcon people speak of is from darkseids mouth and doesnt specifically tell us anything.
tyrant wins this with ease.
Originally posted by quanchi112Yep, you did exactly what I thought you would do. You summerized all the of bullshit you have EVER said about Ds. I'm not even going to bother adressing your "points" because I've shot you down badly on every single quote you've made, at one point of time. Now that'll be all, I have nothing to prove by arguing with you. I'm pretty confident that my word is taken more seriously than yours.....
ok lets begin now shall we.orion is currently breaking out of titanium boxes and losing to hand gestures. his whole life he has been fighting darkseid and he seems to be getting worse at it. supes beats down ds while orion loses to a hand gesture with help. what a wimp. 😆
seid couldnt take that team that went after tyrant as he cant take down superman who is less than the silver surfer.
ds hasnt pawned superman in years in a fair fight. he cheapshotted him after supes pulled his ass off the source wall.
im not obsessed with putting down a character. orion is being written down.
ok in foundations darkseid had a team of his own. always does becuz he cant do anything on his own. he always needs an army of some sort becuz he cant do anything amazing on his own for the most part he always needs help.
he had men backing him up and was stealing their powers and a younger im not even superman mentally beat the shit out of him.
darkseid stole powers and lost to an inexperienced all im armed with is my heart superman.
darkseid loses to superman all the time basically. the present the past and in the future.
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raker put darkseid down and he did nothing to raker at all. raker dominated him. examine the comic.in hunter and prey it was the real deal. that retcon people speak of is from darkseids mouth and doesnt specifically tell us anything.
tyrant wins this with ease.
Originally posted by starkingwell i toasted all ur points. and im sure u still havent read foundations.
Yep, you did exactly what I thought you would do. You summerized all the of bullshit you have EVER said about Ds. I'm not even going to bother adressing your "points" because I've shot you down badly on every single quote you've made, at one point of time. Now that'll be all, I have nothing to prove by arguing with you. I'm pretty confident that my word is taken more seriously than yours.....
i like ds. always have but i dont exaggerate him. i like him better than supes by a mile. but i give credit where it is due.
i dont let my personal feelings influence my decisions on here.
ii countered all ur points. and u havent countered one of mine. oh well.
Originally posted by quanchi112Do you realy believe yourself, when you type? Debating with you is the most unproductive experiance, I've ever had my life. It's like trying to get to popeyes chicken, by running in circles.
well i toasted all ur points. and im sure u still havent read foundations.i like ds. always have but i dont exaggerate him. i like him better than supes by a mile. but i give credit where it is due.
i dont let my personal feelings influence my decisions on here.
ii countered all ur points. and u havent countered one of mine. oh well.
The only whose exxagerating hear is you and YOU alone. When your arguing against a certain character, you only mention the feats your interested in. Be real, what sounds more like a exaggeration. "supermans beaten ds senselessly he losses" or "Ds has beaten the shit out of Superman and people stronger than him". Do I overate him by bringing up his high showings? Did I lie about anything I said?
Unlike you, I base a characters abilities off of his most consistent showings. Ds has appearances outside of Superman related stories, yet you seem to be incapable of grasping that.
And I don't have to counter your "points" because you don't make any. You restate what you've already said. Does this look a countered point to you.
"There you go with that Raker bullshit again. Raker, I repeat DID NOT do anything significant. I f you actually knew the context of that story(and for Days of vegence), then you would realize that using that instance to put down Ds is irrelevent. He wasn't trying to kill Raker, because he needed him on Apokolips to keep the hope of the lowlies down."
When I said this, I was refering to Ds holding back his power, becuase he needed Raker for his own purposes.
You respond with this.
"raker put darkseid down and he did nothing to raker at all. raker dominated him. examine the comic."
Jeeze, that's a fantastic response. 🙄 You did a great job at debunking my statement. Smell the sarcasm? Not only that, but that scuffle was WAY too brief, to say Raker won it. If he had actually done something else then it would be relevent.....but he didn't, it was interrupted.
So please, think before you even try to brag about something you haven't accomplished. It's tacky and weak on your behalf.
Originally posted by starking
Do you realy believe yourself, when you type? Debating with you is the most unproductive experiance, I've ever had my life. It's like trying to get to popeyes chicken, by running in circles.The only whose exxagerating hear is you and YOU alone. When your arguing against a certain character, you only mention the feats your interested in. Be real, what sounds more like a exaggeration. "supermans beaten ds senselessly he losses" or "Ds has beaten the shit out of Superman and people stronger than him". Do I overate him by bringing up his high showings? Did I lie about anything I said?
Unlike you, I base a characters abilities off of his most consistent showings. Ds has appearances outside of Superman related stories, yet you seem to be incapable of grasping that.
And I don't have to counter your "points" because you don't make any. You restate what you've already said. Does this look a countered point to you.
"There you go with that Raker bullshit again. Raker, I repeat DID NOT do anything significant. I f you actually knew the context of that story(and for Days of vegence), then you would realize that using that instance to put down Ds is irrelevent. He wasn't trying to kill Raker, because he needed him on Apokolips to keep the hope of the lowlies down."
When I said this, I was refering to Ds holding back his power, becuase he needed Raker for his own purposes.
You respond with this.
"raker put darkseid down and he did nothing to raker at all. raker dominated him. examine the comic."
Jeeze, that's a fantastic response. 🙄 You did a great job at debunking my statement. Smell the sarcasm? Not only that, but that scuffle was WAY too brief, to say Raker won it. If he had actually done something else then it would be relevent.....but he didn't, it was interrupted.
So please, think before you even try to brag about something you haven't accomplished. It's tacky and weak on your behalf.
I'm reporting you for wasting your time. 😆 😆 😆
Originally posted by starking
Don't bother...I've already punished myself.
Originally posted by starkingagain make ur point but dont insult my intelligence.
Do you realy believe yourself, when you type? Debating with you is the most unproductive experiance, I've ever had my life. It's like trying to get to popeyes chicken, by running in circles.The only whose exxagerating hear is you and YOU alone. When your arguing against a certain character, you only mention the feats your interested in. Be real, what sounds more like a exaggeration. "supermans beaten ds senselessly he losses" or "Ds has beaten the shit out of Superman and people stronger than him". Do I overate him by bringing up his high showings? Did I lie about anything I said?
Unlike you, I base a characters abilities off of his most consistent showings. Ds has appearances outside of Superman related stories, yet you seem to be incapable of grasping that.
And I don't have to counter your "points" because you don't make any. You restate what you've already said. Does this look a countered point to you.
"There you go with that Raker bullshit again. Raker, I repeat DID NOT do anything significant. I f you actually knew the context of that story(and for Days of vegence), then you would realize that using that instance to put down Ds is irrelevent. He wasn't trying to kill Raker, because he needed him on Apokolips to keep the hope of the lowlies down."
When I said this, I was refering to Ds holding back his power, becuase he needed Raker for his own purposes.
You respond with this.
"raker put darkseid down and he did nothing to raker at all. raker dominated him. examine the comic."
Jeeze, that's a fantastic response. 🙄 You did a great job at debunking my statement. Smell the sarcasm? Not only that, but that scuffle was WAY too brief, to say Raker won it. If he had actually done something else then it would be relevent.....but he didn't, it was interrupted.
So please, think before you even try to brag about something you haven't accomplished. It's tacky and weak on your behalf.
i also note that u only responded to one part of my post.
ps in apokolips now superman won. i know superman isnt flat out more powerful than darkseid. but when darkseids oe fails him he does tend to lose more often. superman is capable of beating and has. ds isnt as dominant over superman anymore and admitted in the book when he lost that he was humiliated and couldnt believe he lost.
but its canon and fact. these tow losses to a being that he is clearly more powerful than clearly brings down darkseid stock.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlwhy must u brag about ignoring a poster. just do it. uve tried ignoring me about 10 times and have come back every time. why should i take u serioulsy this time. if u are going to ignore me dont talk about me or try to tell other people to ignore me in the forum. do it in a pm.
There is a calm that comes over you when you simply ignore. It washes over you like the sea over sand on a warm summer night. To ignore is to be divine. It gives you back your power and sanity. Take it back. Reach out and grab it. Just Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiignnnnnnnnnnnnnore.
Originally posted by quanchi112Wow, that was very original. And this time you even brought up Apokolips now, the greatest comic in the history of the universe....You really do make sum gewd pointz.
again make ur point but dont insult my intelligence.
again with raker when he is attacking darkseid wouldnt darkseid then defend himself. raker cut off his oe and darkseid was done for. he didnt get one hit in and he would defend himself. dont care if it was his fav person darkseid sint going to let someone atack him and just take it. u should know better than that. it was interrupted but darkseid hadnt got a blow in so we can only conclude raker won in the short confrontation they had as darkseid didnt land one blow or do anything to him.i also note that u only responded to one part of my post.
ps in apokolips now superman won. i know superman isnt flat out more powerful than darkseid. but when darkseids oe fails him he does tend to lose more often. superman is capable of beating and has. ds isnt as dominant over superman anymore and admitted in the book when he lost that he was humiliated and couldnt believe he lost.
but its canon and fact. these tow losses to a being that he is clearly more powerful than clearly brings down darkseid stock.
Originally posted by starkingapokolips now was a one on one duel type fight. darkseid lost. its canon and i can bring it up. i have always maintained that darkseid is more powerful but not when it comes down to hand to hand. and thats how supes won he punched ds's head in.
Wow, that was very original. And this time you even brought up Apokolips now, the greatest comic in the history of the universe....You really do make sum gewd pointz.
darkseid>supes but not all of the time and not that day.
if we go by gds and think that will happen. we know this darkseid gets weaker while superman is getting stronger with time.
Originally posted by starking
You keep on talking about how Orion is bein written down and has been "retconned" into a wimp. Well first of all, retcon isn't the correct definition for what been done to Orion. When your so obssesed with putting down a character, that you misuse the meaning of a word, you know you have some kind of problem. Orion has been depowered, based on what? Your always talking about how you show on panel evidence, to back up your claims, yet you don't always practice what you preach. How has Orion been depowered, please give actual examples that suggest we should rank him at a lower level.As for the rest, I didn't say anything about Orion and Firestorm being a match for Tyrant. I didn't even imply such a thing. I was just using that showing to prove, that even a current inconsistent Ds still has some juice left in him.
Seid could possibly put down that team that went against Tyrant. He's created herald/transcendent level characters before, with just a small portion of his power. And that Losh scan you showed me, with an older and weaker Ds standing up to all those low herald level characters,(and even imprisoning them earlier on) shows how godly he can be.
And please, don't give me that crap about how he was "snatching other peoples and was koed for one thousand years". Anyone who can properly read, can easily see that Seid wasn't in very good shape to begin with. Which is kinda why he brought young Darkseid to the future....you know to use his body so he could be back in shape.....
There you go with that Raker bullshit again. Raker, I repeat DID NOT do anything significant. I f you actually knew the context of that story(and for Days of vegence), then you would realize that using that instance to put down Ds is irrelevent. He wasn't trying to kill Raker, because he needed him on Apokolips to keep the hope of the lowlies down.
As for Superman, do you need me to show you several instances of Ds pwning Supes?
And the Doomsday thing was an avatar, but I don't feel like going through that bullshit again.
The reason I feel Seid could pull this off, is because Seid is perhaps one of the most powerful skyfathers in comics(looking at how he has been portrayed in most of his appearances). An avatar created a reality. Do you know how big of a feat that is? And his ability to create a transcendent level, gives the power gap between him and herald/top tier level.
I wish you and others would actually examine the characters history, before you went on how he's lost to Superman. [/B]
This is just dumb. To even put Darkseid on Galactus' level is stretching this whole thing out of whack. Even you can't believe this garbage, I think people here just like to argue to see if they are better at debating, but the truth is truth. Tyrant is a couple of notches above Darkseid, I would compare Darkseids power level to or below that of the Sphinx with an unbroken Ruby of Ka, nothing more nothing less. Tyrant would take the Sphinx just like Galactus did so long ago and, with ease.
Galactus would not even break a sweat if he fought Darkseid one on one. Tyrant put up a good fight against Galactus though. Darkseid would be helpless in space against Tyrant as he can not fly under his own power.
The guys that fought Tyrant and lost would beat Darkseid, or maybe we should post a thread to see if Darkseid would beat: Morg, Beta Ray Bill, Terrax, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Jack of Hearts, and a Sister of the Spinsterhood. Any one saying that he could would more than likely be moved to do so either because of favoritism, or because they wanted to back up their posse members opinon here on KMC. In the comics world he'd be knocked the hell out. Tyrant looked like he could have not only taken out those guys but he looked as if he could have taken down the Hulk, Juggernaut, Stardust, Hercules, Firelord, and Annihilus together.
Tyrant has too much juice for rock face. This is the big leagues, and Darkseid does not make the cut.
Originally posted by CaptainStoicit is true there is a following of darkseid on here. and sometimes posters just say darkseid as to back up their friends. i agree with u on this stoic.
This is just dumb. To even put Darkseid on Galactus' level is stretching this whole thing out of whack. Even you can't believe this garbage, I think people here just like to argue to see if they are better at debating, but the truth is truth. Tyrant is a couple of notches above Darkseid, I would compare Darkseids power level to or below that of the Sphinx with an unbroken Ruby of Ka, nothing more nothing less. Tyrant would take the Sphinx just like Galactus did so long ago and, with ease.Galactus would not even break a sweat if he fought Darkseid one on one. Tyrant put up a good fight against Galactus though. Darkseid would be helpless in space against Tyrant as he can not fly under his own power.
The guys that fought Tyrant and lost would beat Darkseid, or maybe we should post a thread to see if Darkseid would beat: Morg, Beta Ray Bill, Terrax, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Jack of Hearts, and a Sister of the Spinsterhood. Any one saying that he could would more than likely be moved to do so either because of favoritism, or because they wanted to back up their posse members opinon here on KMC. In the comics world he'd be knocked the hell out. Tyrant looked like he could have not only taken out those guys but he looked as if he could have taken down the Hulk, Juggernaut, Stardust, Hercules, Firelord, and Annihilus together.
Tyrant has too much juice for rock face. This is the big leagues, and Darkseid does not make the cut.
tyrant wins easily.
Originally posted by CaptainStoicUhhh, where did I say anything about Galactus?
This is just dumb. To even put Darkseid on Galactus' level is stretching this whole thing out of whack. Even you can't believe this garbage, I think people here just like to argue to see if they are better at debating, but the truth is truth. Tyrant is a couple of notches above Darkseid, I would compare Darkseids power level to or below that of the Sphinx with an unbroken Ruby of Ka, nothing more nothing less. Tyrant would take the Sphinx just like Galactus did so long ago and, with ease.
Galactus would not even break a sweat if he fought Darkseid one on one. Tyrant put up a good fight against Galactus though. Darkseid would be helpless in space against Tyrant as he can not fly under his own power.Powered up Tyrant yes, depowered no. He had tech and prep at his aid, when he took on Galan. If Powered up Tyrant was below Galactus, then dp is sure as hell weaker than Galactus.
The guys that fought Tyrant and lost would beat Darkseid, or maybe we should post a thread to see if Darkseid would beat: Morg, Beta Ray Bill, Terrax, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Jack of Hearts, and a Sister of the Spinsterhood. Any one saying that he could would more than likely be moved to do so either because of favoritism, or because they wanted to back up their posse members opinon here on KMC. In the comics world he'd be knocked the hell out. Tyrant looked like he could have not only taken out those guys but he looked as if he could have taken down the Hulk, Juggernaut, Stardust, Hercules, Firelord, and Annihilus together.Ds has taken on multiple top tiers, created realities(and this was just a avatar), and has created two transcendent beings(Stayne, Mantis). I don't think a group of herald levels, would give him trouble.
Tyrant has too much juice for rock face. This is the big leagues, and Darkseid does not make the cut.Yeah, because Ds only feats are having his ass kicked by Superman. It's not like he's some kind of powerful skyfather, whose presence is so great that the universe collapse, without his power. 🙄
Originally posted by starkingwhen tyrant went to face galactus, galactus also knew about it and prepped for it and fed on a planet right before. it wasnt a shocker and big g knew about it. takes care of that point.
Uhhh, where did I say anything about Galactus?Powered up Tyrant yes, depowered no. He had tech and prep athis aid, when he took on Galan. If Powered up Tyrant was below Galactus, then dp is sure as hell weaker than Galactus.
Ds has taken on multiple top tiers, created realities(and this was just a avatar), and has created two trnscendent beings(Stayne, Mantis). I don't think a group of herald levels, would give him trouble.
Yeah, because Ds has only feats are having his ass kicked by Superman. It's not like he's some kind of powerful skyfather, whose presence is so great that the universe collapse, without his power. 🙄 [/B]
ur feats are the same everytime . taken on mulitple top tiers which tyrant has done and nver lost to a top tier while the same cant be said for ds.
creating stayne and mantis, why do u keep bringing this up?
ds has lost to superman. who has beaten tyrant that ds could beat?
answer me that one.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
when tyrant went to face galactus, galactus also knew about it and prepped for it and fed on a planet right before. it wasnt a shocker and big g knew about it. takes care of that point.ur feats are the same everytime . taken on mulitple top tiers which tyrant has done and nver lost to a top tier while the same cant be said for ds.
creating stayne and mantis, why do u keep bringing this up?ds has lost to superman. who has beaten tyrant that ds could beat?
answer me that one.
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Seriously, I'm done with you.