Soldier gets life in rape of Iraqi girl and killings of family

Originally posted by Kinneary
And the point of that was?

As I've said in SO MANY topics, do [b]not associate all military personnel with the people you read about in the newspapers. We are just PEOPLE. The same as everyone else. I don't judge civilians by OJ Simpson, and I'd like it very much if you don't judge the military by Mr. Green. [/B]

And that doesn't change the fact that there are bad people in the military, and we should be able to hold the military to higher standards then normal civilians. Nobody here is claiming every soldier is an idiot and a bastard like that, but saying it never happens is as ignorant as saying every soldier does it.

I guess it's a good thing that no one has said that never happens. But you might want to have a talk with those on this forum who think that those in the military are 'bottom of the barrel' who were 'forced into the military.'

As for holding us to a higher standard, trust me, we are strict with ourselves. That doesn't mean that crap like this doesn't happen, however. Nor does it mean everyone in the military is a saint. But when people like chris_64256 or bogen hear about this happening they immediately equate it to all of us. Which is what pisses us off.

The guys I know who joined the army only did so because they were too stupid to get any other job. I rest my case when I read about incidents like this.

Your case being?

My case is that it's only the people who can't do anything else who join the army. And your argument being?

I'm not even going to argue with you. I'm just going to say:

Fishy, he is exactly the kind of person I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Kinneary
And the point of that was?

As I've said in SO MANY topics, do [b]not associate all military personnel with the people you read about in the newspapers. We are just PEOPLE. The same as everyone else. I don't judge civilians by OJ Simpson, and I'd like it very much if you don't judge the military by Mr. Green. [/B]

Originally posted by Kinneary
I'm not even going to argue with you. I'm just going to say:

Fishy, he is exactly the kind of person I'm talking about.

Originally posted by amity75
My case is that it's only the people who can't do anything else who join the army. And your argument being?

Before you proceed on making yourself out to be more of an ignorant ass than you have already done... You should know that the military (not only the U.S. military) is full of college educated personal and/or people skilled in a trade. Not everyone joins directly after high school becuase they "can't do anything else".

Originally posted by Robtard
Before you proceed on making yourself out to be more of an ignorant ass than you have already done... You should know that the military (not only the U.S. military) is full of college educated personal and/or people skilled in a trade.

Originally posted by amity75
And where are they? Behind desks, miles away from the action. Come back when you have a valid point.

And your point now (since it changed) being that only mindless low-brow grunts serve on the front lines is also incorrect. Which in turn validates my point that educated people and skilled people do join the military to further their careers and goals.

As long as it doesn't endanger their lives.

Seriously amity, now I'm just confused.

What is the point you're trying to make? Because it seems like you've changed it.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Seriously amity, now I'm just confused.

What is the point you're trying to make? Because it seems like you've changed it.

He doesn't really have a point per se, just a bunch of fact-less accusations. And he did change it.

I'm saying this - If you're educated you join the army to get a nice safe officers job. If you're not educated then you join because there's nothing else you can do. That's the way it works here in the UK.

Originally posted by Robtard
He doesn't have point, just a bunch of fact-less accusations. And he did change it.

So are you an expert on army life?

Originally posted by amity75
I'm saying this - If you're educated you join the army to get a nice safe officers job. If you're not educated then you join because there's nothing else you can do. That's the way it works here in the UK.

Well, as we're talking about the US military, here's an article you should read. Enlistees (not officers) come from middle class America, where their parents can send them to college.

The Heritage report states that median household income for all enlisted recruits in 1999 was $41,141, compared with the national median of $41,994. By 2003, the recruit household income reached $42,822, when adjusted for inflation.
"In other words, on average, recruits in 2003 were from wealthier neighborhoods than were recruits in 1999," said the report, titled, "Who Bears the Burden? Demographic Characteristics of U.S. Military Recruits Before and After 9/11."
Mr. Kane said overall evidence "is at odds with the image, painted by some supporters of the draft, that the military exploits poor, ignorant young Americans by using slick advertising that promises technical careers in the military to dupe them into trading their feeble opportunities in the private sector for a meager role as cannon fodder."
About 98 percent of all enlistees from 1999 to 2003 had a high school diploma, compared with 75 percent of nonrecruits nationwide.
"In an education context, rather than attracting underprivileged young Americans, the military seems to be attracting above-average Americans," Mr. Kane wrote.

Originally posted by amity75
So are you an expert on army life?

No, but it doesn't take an expert to dispell fact-less claims like:

Originally posted by amity75
My case is that it's only the people who can't do anything else who join the army.

and then the switch too when that little boat sank:

Originally posted by amity75
And where are they? Behind desks, miles away from the action.

God you so fell for the bait. Get out and live a bit instead of getting your knickers in a twist over a web argument.

I'll take that as "I give up. I know what I said was stupid, and I apologize."

Apology accepted, amity.