Originally posted by King Kandy
MM, it was my belief that Thanos COULD have exited his Purple sphere, but like you said, you don't do that in a out-of-control energy field.It would have taken time for him to exit, and by the time he'd gulped down the multiverse, he'd come to his senses, so why would he want to?
Makes sense.
But really it boils down to the fact that,
all that needed to be fixed was that one Multi-verse, so in essence Thanos only needed to erase and recreate that one Multi-verse.
This was TOAA's plan all along, use Thanos to fix a problem.
Why did he use Thanos, well,
because TOAA never gets involved personally and I'm sure never will.
Instead of blinking everything right, perhaps he enjoys watching his creations do for themselves.
Well, TOAA may have intended only for him to effect the multiverse, and engraved it in his purpose and destiny, as part of his master plan. It's well within his power to do so.
But Thanos had his energy, and were it not outside of what was destined to happen it was well within the abilities of THOTU to bring down the omniverse, if it was used in such a way.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, TOAA may have intended only for him to effect the multiverse, and engraved it in his purpose and destiny, as part of his master plan. It's well within his power to do so.But Thanos had his energy, and were it not outside of what was destined to happen it was well within the abilities of THOTU to bring down the omniverse, if it was used in such a way.
Oh without a doubt.
I completely agree.
Originally posted by King Kandy
So you're actualy limiting THOTU's power when you declare it "Multiversal" in truth, it's "Omniversal", and can tap energy of anyone who confronts it.
Learn something about me that distinguishes us.
I only except ON PANEL evidence,
THOTI performed a Multiversal FEAT, and that's it,
in fact, Absorbing the Living Tribunal trumps that Feat.
THOTI may be Omniversal, but there is NO proof to suggest that.
Still, based on the fact that it erased LT, there is no doubt that THOTI makes you the most powerful being in Marvel below TOAA.
BUT,
only being able to OPERATE within the 616 Multi-verse, as that is all we have seen.
Whether Thanos could have stepped out or not is pure speculation, unless you have proof that he did.
Originally posted by Mr MasterSweet, but none of those scans aren't of the series in question. Thanos said Universe, I take it as Universe. Kind of like the time you made me prove the other "Earths" in those scans were actual universes instead of just Earths coppied. The handbook also complies with such and even gives us a label for the Universe.
Just because Reality is titled in Marvel "Universe" instead of Multi-verse or "Eternity" instead of Multi-Eternity, doesn't necessarily mean it's referring to ONE Universe.Examples:
Roma she inherited the reins of the Multi-verse
Roma Oversees the 616 Multi-verse personally,
Roma says Understanding the Universe is hard enough, but she tends to Eternity (the Multi-verse) YET, she refers to him as Eternity, NOT Multi-Eternity
"Within it, ALL that ever was, ever is or ever will be exists"Here is another instance, I would post more, but if yall don't get it, then whatever.
This arc was dedicated to the MULTI-VERSE and yet it's called the UNIVERSE at times and just ETERNITY, instead of MULTI-ETERNITY
Here it's called the UNIVERSE:
"Molding the UNIVERSE to suit our dreams"
NOW MULTI-VERSE:
"Comes down to conquering the Universe, well, MULTI-VERSE in my case"
MULTI-VERSE again:
"the single most powerful Entity in ALL the MULTI-VERSE"
NOW ETERNITY, but implying it's the MULTI-VERSE:
"ENTIRE UNIVERSES being born"
"Detonate ETERNITY'S Heart, Re-Birthing everything in ALL the UNIVERSES"AFTER Dormammu, has succeeded in becoming the New CREATOR of the MULTI-VERSE
"Did he think I would not feel him ENTERING my UNIVERSE"
Now the question is, how do we define what they are referring to when we see these contradictory titles?
Simply by following the entire STORY LINE.
Jim Starlin's whole purpose behind the END series was to out do the Infinity Gauntlet arc,
Now your going to tell me, ol' Jimmy introduced the POWER of TOAA to mess with a single Universe, when Magus and his INCOMPLETE IG was controlling TWO UNIVERSES? (Also WRITTEN by Starlin by the way)
Come on people.
Interesting,
Yet during the END series Thanos is RECALLING his history with the Cosmic Cube and the Infinity Gauntlet,
If that was not Thanos of 616, HOW the heck is he talking about his conquest of the Cosmic Cube and the Infinity Gauntlet, which took place in 616?
You should know better than to step to the plate with bio non-sense.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Learn something about me that distinguishes us.I only except ON PANEL evidence,
THOTI performed a Multiversal FEAT, and that's it,
in fact, Absorbing the Living Tribunal trumps that Feat.
THOTI may be Omniversal, but there is NO proof to suggest that.
Still, based on the fact that it erased LT, there is no doubt that THOTI makes you the most powerful being in Marvel below TOAA.
BUT,
only being able to OPERATE within the 616 Multi-verse, as that is all we have seen.
Whether Thanos could have stepped out or not is pure speculation, unless you have proof that he did.
Obviously not, as any excersize of logic will tell you.
Originally posted by Juntai
Sweet, but none of those scans aren't of the series in question. Thanos said Universe, I take it as Universe.
Guess you missed it, here it is AGIAN:
The Omniversal Architecture
When Warlock first exited the Multi-verse, he entered a place called the Cosmic Vortex.
In it, an INFINITE number of MULTI-VERSES are spiralling upward, while below lies Oblivion, (the ultimate Abstract in terms of everlasting), swallowing Multi-verses that collapse, are nullified, have a weakened Anchor (like Atleza) ect...
These are MULTI-VERSES!
When I realized that Thanos DID in fact, Absorb MORE than just a UNIVERSE, that he actually absorbed ALL he could (which is the MULTI-VERSE)
He absorbs Eternity and Infinity and there is still Space and star stuff behind
This is not a designed attack, he's saying it himself "it's Out of Control"
Like a raging drunk, who's not selective in a brawl, anything in the way goes, and with that KIND of Power, that means everything goes. (like it did)
Here it continues,
"For IF this BAND (LT, Eternity/Infinity) Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?"
"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
See...He's absorbing MORE SPACE now, where is this SPACE coming from if he already absorbed ALL of Space and Time?
I'll answer that,
It has to be coming from the Multi-verse, there is no other way to look at it.
*(That's WHO these OTHERS are that MIGHT be equally foolish, the rest of Space, in other words, the MULTI-VERSE)
WHO else COULD question his authority, except anyone left in the MULTI-VERSE.
CAN'T be the Universe, he just ABSORBED the Universe (Eternity/Infinity remember)
Now your saying to yourself, fine, that conclusively despicts Thanos absorbing the Multi-verse.
But Mr M showed scans of the Cosmic Vortex, where an INFINITE number of Multi-verses are,
How could Thanos have absorbed ALL he could, when he ONLY absorbed ONE Multi-verse?
Now we go back to the OMNIVERSAL structure:
The OMNI-VERSE and the rest of the Multi-verses rest with in the Cosmic Vortex.
See those little Purple Balls, thats where Atleza is (the Cosmic Anchor of the "616" Multi-verse)...
and every little Purple Ball is the Domain of an Anchor of a Multi-verse ...
Each Domain is Outside the Multiverse...Untouched by Space or Time....
The much bigger Blue Balls represent EACH a Multi-verse, and the SUM of the Blue Balls is the Omni-verse.
Anything Outside the Blue Balls is Untouched by Space & Time,
which Multi-Eternity/Infinity encompass.
See how the Blue Balls (Multi-verses) are separate from each other, and how the little Purple Balls (the Anchor's domain) are separated from the Blue Balls.
This is why Atleza, Gamora and Warlock were untouched, they were there, in A little Purple Ball, (the Anchors domain, Outside it's respective Multi-verse)
This why Thanos could not absorb more, he absorbed everything within that Blue Ball (a Multi-verse) and evidently, he could not reach any furthur
"Nothing Remained"
Remember he was "Out of Control"
He kept on absorbing till there was nothing left for him to absorb (literally), HAD he been able to absorb everything Outside his Multi-verse, it would have been no problem with TOAA's power,
But Thanos was NOT able to do it, meaning that's as FAR as TOAA permitted his power to be used, absorption of a Multi-verse and Remaking that same Multi-verse, even though being the most powerful being in the Omni-verse.
Originally posted by Juntai
Kind of like the time you made me prove the other "Earths" in those scans were actual universes instead of just Earths coppied.
I can't believe you just went desperate on me, bringing up a debate that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this or with Marvel for that fact.
You didn't prove anything, until you brought in scans that said Universe, at first you were making claims without sound proof, then you displayed proof and it was excepted.
So don't bring up little moments of triumph like your the man.
Originally posted by Juntai
The handbook also complies with such and even gives us a label for the Universe.
Mentioning a handbook, you might aswell not post anything.
Originally posted by Juntai
Also- there's no identifying whether the Thanos of that reality had also recieved the Infinity Gauntlet at one point.
And now you'll begin to make stuff up to give your argument strength.
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Originally posted by Juntai
Marvel seems to think so.
Even worse, a blatant lie.
Originally posted by Juntai
Corrected. However the result is the same.
Sorta.....not quite though.
The Universe is her child the way God and Satan are. To harm the Universe in no way, shape, or form harms MOM...
Destroying the Universe would harm Eternity, but not MOM.....while Eternity in Marvel is the embodyment of Universe 616, MoM is the creator and she is beyond simply being the summation of Spawn's universe.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenRight, but everything is a direct result of that character. The sum of all.
Sorta.....not quite though.The Universe is her child the way God and Satan are. To harm the Universe in no way, shape, or form harms MOM...
Destroying the Universe would harm Eternity, but not MOM.....while Eternity in Marvel is the embodyment of Universe 616, MoM is the creator and she is beyond simply being the summation of Spawn's universe.
And I said "he" in the original post, because it's "man of miracles", I didn't really get time to identify that before I had to run off to work.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Guess you missed it, here it is AGIAN:The Omniversal Architecture
When Warlock first exited the Multi-verse, he entered a place called the Cosmic Vortex.
In it, an INFINITE number of MULTI-VERSES are spiralling upward, while below lies Oblivion, (the ultimate Abstract in terms of everlasting), swallowing Multi-verses that collapse, are nullified, have a weakened Anchor (like Atleza) ect...
These are MULTI-VERSES!
When I realized that Thanos DID in fact, Absorb MORE than just a UNIVERSE, that he actually absorbed ALL he could (which is the MULTI-VERSE)
He absorbs Eternity and Infinity and there is still Space and star stuff behind
This is not a designed attack, he's saying it himself "it's Out of Control"Like a raging drunk, who's not selective in a brawl, anything in the way goes, and with that KIND of Power, that means everything goes. (like it did)
Here it continues,
"For IF this BAND (LT, Eternity/Infinity) Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?""NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
See...He's absorbing MORE SPACE now, where is this SPACE coming from if he already absorbed ALL of Space and Time?
I'll answer that,
It has to be coming from the Multi-verse, there is no other way to look at it.
*(That's WHO these OTHERS are that MIGHT be equally foolish, the rest of Space, in other words, the MULTI-VERSE)WHO else COULD question his authority, except anyone left in the MULTI-VERSE.
CAN'T be the Universe, he just ABSORBED the Universe (Eternity/Infinity remember)
Now your saying to yourself, fine, that conclusively despicts Thanos absorbing the Multi-verse.
But Mr M showed scans of the Cosmic Vortex, where an INFINITE number of Multi-verses are,
How could Thanos have absorbed ALL he could, when he ONLY absorbed ONE Multi-verse?
Now we go back to the OMNIVERSAL structure:
The OMNI-VERSE and the rest of the Multi-verses rest with in the Cosmic Vortex.
See those little Purple Balls, thats where Atleza is (the Cosmic Anchor of the "616" Multi-verse)...
and every little Purple Ball is the Domain of an Anchor of a Multi-verse ...
Each Domain is Outside the Multiverse...Untouched by Space or Time....
The much bigger Blue Balls represent EACH a Multi-verse, and the SUM of the Blue Balls is the Omni-verse.
Anything Outside the Blue Balls is Untouched by Space & Time,
which Multi-Eternity/Infinity encompass.See how the Blue Balls (Multi-verses) are separate from each other, and how the little Purple Balls (the Anchor's domain) are separated from the Blue Balls.
This is why Atleza, Gamora and Warlock were untouched, they were there, in A little Purple Ball, (the Anchors domain, Outside it's respective Multi-verse)
This why Thanos could not absorb more, he absorbed everything within that Blue Ball (a Multi-verse) and evidently, he could not reach any furthur
"Nothing Remained"Remember he was "Out of Control"
He kept on absorbing till there was nothing left for him to absorb (literally), HAD he been able to absorb everything Outside his Multi-verse, it would have been no problem with TOAA's power,
But Thanos was NOT able to do it, meaning that's as FAR as TOAA permitted his power to be used, absorption of a Multi-verse and Remaking that same Multi-verse, even though being the most powerful being in the Omni-verse.
I can't believe you just went desperate on me, bringing up a debate that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this or with Marvel for that fact.Desperate just because I brought a similar instance of when I had to bring more proof... just the same, I wanted more proof here... where you originally brought scans that didn't prove anything other than editorial errors in other storyarcs.You didn't prove anything, until you brought in scans that said Universe, at first you were making claims without sound proof, then you displayed proof and it was excepted.
So don't bring up little moments of triumph like your the man.
It seems to be the way our relationship goes, I show you something, you show me something.
It's been a while since I read The End, but I told my friend at work [who's a Marvel collector himself] to bring it in for me again, but that'll have to wait I return his first 20 issues of the Surfer volume 3.
Mentioning a handbook, you might aswell not post anythingI mentioned the handbook offhandedly, it wasn't the base of what I was trying to accomplish. And I didn't blatantly lie, the handbooks are collected of what marvel accepts as their current canon, I just mentioned that what I remembered the story as merely coincides with that view. Nothing wrong with that. Don't mount your high horse.
And now you'll begin to make stuff up to give your argument strength.
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Even worse, a blatant lie. [/B]
Admist all of that, you did agree with me on one thing.
HOTU does not = TOAA.
Only a portion of it's power.
Which is what I said when I came into the debate.
Thanks for that.
In conclusion, this seems to be a supreme being, vs a being with only a portion of such.
