Well the entire discussion boiled down to if God was truly being honest to Lucifer about everything! God asked him to rejoin him and Luci said no still wondering if it was a part of the great plan. In the end Lucifer stayed true to what he thinks is right and they both went there own way in the void.
Re: The Presence isn't #1 in DCU.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Lucifer #75. Lucifer is leaving creation and entering the void. After a couple of meetings, he meets up with an aspect of his father. They talk about the past, present, and future concerning the two of them.[B]That aspect of the Presence reveals that although he is infinite and external, he was shaped by forces external even to himself
, and that Lucifer knows what they are.On a lesser note, it has been revealed that there was a third brother -- Gabriel, who imposed form and shape to Creation after Samael.
Presence is not Supreme.
This clearly states that the Presence is Yahweh, and the previous post states that he's not supreme.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
Hello Vertigo is not canon in DCU. Even the editors of DCU have said that. It cannot be true. Cause in Lucifer's reality there is no hell but in DCU there is that alone ruins your whole theory. sure they have similarities as they are from the same company but they are not one.
Now where was it stated that it wasent canon?
Originally posted by leonidas
oops. 'pologies. s'what i get for just checking the scan . . . 😮i didn't even know they WERE retconned, but the canonical nature of that particular issue is something of a controversy from i can gather.
They were never rectonned..... It was an Marvel comic not an Marvel/DC comic, one cannot rectonn what one hasn't created, this would be just illogical. Those Brothers are different entities, they are not the Marvel/DC Brothers, except if you can show me the same recton in an DC Comic.
Marvel tried to rectonn the Brothers, but can they do it all by themselves or do they need DC or an Crossover for such a task? What would happen if DC would bring out an Comic in which the Spectre creates two brothers each representing, say, an Omniverse , and says something like "As I have created an golden, three faced Judge before, to pose as the Tribunal, for my entertainment, I will create two BROTHERS even more powerful then him, and enable them to rival even my superior power". What would we have then? Don't go into the details of the quote, it's not there to make sense, it just there to show what could happen if a company would try to rectonn an crossover event all by themself and the illlogic it creates. When both companies would take a different take on an Crossover we would be left with an paradoxon. The Brothers from DC vs Marvel never existed because they re not canon.
Re: Re: The Presence isn't #1 in DCU.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUPresence is not Supreme.
This clearly states that the Presence is Yahweh, and the previous post states that he's not supreme.
Very nice scans, I thought everyone already knew YHWH and The Presence was the same being. He is supreme, the main thing is i've noticed reading a few things about The Source that would indicate they are 1 and the same being. The Word/Logos is God in the flesh aka Christ.
Vertigo's Yahweh and DC's Presence are not one and the same.
Yahweh left creation behind, and his name does not bind creation anymore, nor is he part of it. It was given to Elaine.
Elaine destroyed Yahweh's concepts, like heaven and hell.
Yet, those still exist in DC.
DC does not acknowledge Vertigo at all.
Even in the DC Editors panels, when someone mentions something from Vertigo, Didio cuts them short "That's Vertigo, it doesn't count."
Originally posted by Juntai
Vertigo's Yahweh and DC's Presence are not one and the same.
Yahweh left creation behind, and his name does not bind creation anymore, nor is he part of it. It was given to Elaine.
Elaine destroyed Yahweh's concepts, like heaven and hell.
Yet, those still exist in DC.DC does not acknowledge Vertigo at all.
Even in the DC Editors panels, when someone mentions something from Vertigo, Didio cuts them short "That's Vertigo, it doesn't count."