The Presence isn't #1 in DCU.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But Vertigo's Presence (As he was refered to in those scans) isn't supreme, as he said himself.
And he had to create a couple of practice universes before being able to make Vertigo ...
Why would DC's Presence > Vertigo's Presence?

Everything I've read is yhwh = the presence so yes you are right there. But you are wrong about him HAVING to create practice universes 😉 . He NEVER had to, but did (already knowing it would work anyway) just to make sure it would work according to his great plan, understand? And yes it could be considered that some parts of Lucifer's comic could be considered canon while some of the ending parts of it not. And it must be noted that John Constantine was in Lucifer's comic, along with I believe a sight of Swamp Thing, though they very hard to see. And Thanos_THOTU is does seem you have something against DC's God or maybe just DC comics, I don't know. I'll point you in a new direction into learning more about DC's God. Look more into The Source, as they say "All roads lead to The Source". Have fun 🙂 .

so what if the presance is shaped by extrenal powers all comics are thats why there comics that doesnt make the presance lower then TOAA in my opinion

There seem to be alot of weird words thrown around without anyone saying what they mean by it.

Anyone care to explain what is meant by "to retcon", "retconned" and "pre retconed"?

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Originally posted by Morridini
There seem to be alot of weird words thrown around without anyone saying what they mean by it.

Anyone care to explain what is meant by "to retcon", "retconned" and "pre retconed"?

Retcon is short for "Retroactive Continuity". It's when an author writes a story that changes the history of a previous story. For example, if Thor beat Thanos, a retcon of that story would be a later story saying that that was just a Thanos clone.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Retcon is short for "Retroactive Continuity". It's when an author writes a story that changes the history of a previous story. For example, if Thor beat Thanos, a retcon of that story would be a later story saying that that was just a Thanos clone.

😂

Wonderful analogy Mike, humourous on so many levels, sadly it will be lost on most here🙁

-FO!!

So...what is DC's God? Does he govern over all DC: DCAU, Vertigo, mainstream, etc.? And things like Yahweh and Presence may just be aspects of it for each Creation?

And where does this leave GEB? Half of one aspect or half of the actual whole? GEB is from Vertigo...

welll may i remind everyone that acroding to the original books of magic miniseries DEATHis the only remaining enterty at the end of the universe....... thus that must mean that the presence is not supreme or else he would not be only death at the end of the universe the presence would be their too?

didnt Animal Man appear in 52 or something is 52 a vertigo or a DC book... the universe are linked.. them been dark mirrors of each other. been roughtly fused together in parts and not others surely.

thus some charcters can slip thought easier then others... look how easiler sandman books of magic, lucifer, hellbalzer black orchid and even batman can be interlinked

Originally posted by rougeredmage
welll may i remind everyone that acroding to the original books of magic miniseries DEATHis the only remaining enterty at the end of the universe....... thus that must mean that the presence is not supreme or else he would not be only death at the end of the universe the presence would be their too?

didnt Animal Man appear in 52 or something is 52 a vertigo or a DC book... the universe are linked.. them been dark mirrors of each other. been roughtly fused together in parts and not others surely.

thus some charcters can slip thought easier then others... look how easiler sandman books of magic, lucifer, hellbalzer black orchid and even batman can be interlinked

Except it's already been established in multiple series that the Presence lives outside of the universe