For one, I haven't posted here in two or three months, and you never knew me, so I doubt anyone's talked to you about me.
Escape does, he's like in love with you.
Second, I'd like to know if you're going to actually post an appropriate response instead of dream up another idiotic comment.
Your post didn't even make sense, why bother?
1) It's obviously not Dooku.2) It can't be Yoda, because he's taught for twice as long as the quote states.
3) I doubt some random Jedi Master - in this case, Tyvokka - would be teaching another student the arts of the lightsaber, as we've never seen anyone else do it who didn't hold a designated position.
All right, it's not Dooku. But let me ask you a question Faunus? Why cannot Yoda say that statement? Yoda has trained many of a Jedi, why couldn't he say that statement? Because of the 400 years part? Does it even matter, the main significance of that statement is that Qui-Gon Jinn in his prime was the greatest swordsmen the Order has seen in a very long time.
"Ready, are you? What know you of ready? For eight hundred years have I trained Jedi." -- Yoda, ESBI'd watch what I call bullshit.
Very well, conceded on this point. But still, does it really matter? If Yoda has been shown to be a lightsaber instructor, why couldn't he said that? I mean, besides Tyvokka and Yaddle, there are no other Jedi I can recollect that are at least 400 years old.
Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
All right, it's not Dooku. But let me ask you a question Faunus? Why cannot Yoda say that statement? Yoda has trained many of a Jedi, why couldn't he say that statement? Because of the 400 years part? Does it even matter, the main significance of that statement is that Qui-Gon Jinn in his prime was the greatest swordsmen the Order has seen in a very long time.Very well, conceded on this point. But still, does it really matter? If Yoda has been shown to be a lightsaber instructor, why couldn't he said that? I mean, besides Tyvokka and Yaddle, there are no other Jedi I can recollect that are at least 400 years old.
"Not in 400 years had his instructor seen so extraordinary a swordsman."
A statement like that is what you could have used to support your argument. As it is? It just doesn't stand.
Look. I'm not denying that at one point, Qui-Gon may have been an extraordinary duelist and combatant. What I'm disputing is simply the method and source you're using to deduce that. You have to understand that when the TPM novel was written, the character of Dooku had yet to be created. As such, his role as Qui-Gon's master was open to be held by another Jedi. The quote seems to imply that it is his master who is speaking
Agreed, yet it is not stated that it was Dooku. Neither is it implied. It just says "in over 400 years of teaching" or something of that sort. That doesn't refer to Dooku. And who else taught Qui-Gon? Yoda. Yoda was a master of Ataru and so is Jinn. See the similarities? Yoda must have taught Qui-Gon for a while.
If so, it is retconned. The other possible meaning is of an outside teacher instructing him - Tyvokka is just a random excuse, and Yoda is far too old to fit the quote.
To say he's far too old is a random excuse. There are few 400+ Jedi who ever lived during that time. And if they did, they most definately would have been on the Council. The ones we know of are Tyvokka, Yaddle, and Yoda.
The statement says "in over 400 years of teaching"; we know him to have taught for twice as long. Any good author would have used the true value or else would have phrased it as something akin to the following:"Not in 400 years had his instructor seen so extraordinary a swordsman."
So does it matter even if it's Yoda or Tyvokka or someone else? Due to the fact of that statement, it recognizes how powerful Jinn is.
A statement like that is what you could have used to support your argument. As it is? It just doesn't stand.
But the quote still stands.
Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Agreed, yet it is not stated that it was Dooku. Neither is it implied. It just says "in over 400 years of teaching" or something of that sort. That doesn't refer to Dooku. And who else taught Qui-Gon? Yoda. Yoda was a master of Ataru and so is Jinn. See the similarities? Yoda must have taught Qui-Gon for a while.To say he's far too old is a random excuse. There are few 400+ Jedi who ever lived during that time. And if they did, they most definately would have been on the Council. The ones we know of are Tyvokka, Yaddle, and Yoda.
So does it matter even if it's Yoda or Tyvokka or someone else? Due to the fact of that statement, it recognizes how powerful Jinn is.
But the quote still stands.
The quote is retconned.
I don't think Qui-Gon is that good. It said in the book but he was old and slow and his attacks were weaker as teh fight against maul went on. Any of the others could take Qui and the sames goes to Plo. I have more confidence in Plo because the electric judgement could hurt someone, but he is old too (He fought with Qui-Gon in the Hyperspace War?). That leaves Kit and Ki-Adi. I pick Kit because he was the only jedi to actually give a fight to Sidious, even if it was 30 seconds. the other 2 just got spanked.
Maul was only naming the few jedi that he knew off the top of his head that he wanted to test his skills against, and there were many jedi he left out such as Yoda, Count Dooku, Depa Billaba, Qui-Gon Jinn, and I'm sure there are others, who would all be able to take Plo. Plo was a jedi champion after the Stark Hyperspace War, Mace was somewhat the jedi's greatest prodigy at the time, it serves to reason that Maul would be familiar with these two jedi, but it's not like he would have ever seen them in combat, he would have been basing his beliefs from stories he'd heard of them, which can be unreliable.
Maul was only naming the few jedi that he knew off the top of his head that he wanted to test his skills against, and there were many jedi he left out such as Yoda, Count Dooku, Depa Billaba, Qui-Gon Jinn, and I'm sure there are others, who would all be able to take Plo.
Plo was a jedi champion after the Stark Hyperspace War, Mace was somewhat the jedi's greatest prodigy at the time, it serves to reason that Maul would be familiar with these two jedi, but it's not like he would have ever seen them in combat, he would have been basing his beliefs from stories he'd heard of them, which can be unreliable.
This is a very hard choice, lets look at what we no, Kit mached Obi in a light saber dule traning in Cestus Deseption, but barily lost to ventress. Ki Adi was the last one standing agent grevious'es atack on the Jeid in wicth Ala and Ti where barly alive. Qui Gon dies agenst maul but is vastly more knolageable than the other three but in this situation it wouldnt really help him plus he has a weak saber defence. And Ploo is one of the councils oldes vets making him liable to be nasty at figthing..........final verdict 1. Ploo 2. Ki Adi 3. Qui Gon4. Kit Fisto