Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Sure the hecklers were asking for it but Kramer could've hid his inborn and inherent racism like most whites do when in public, and said something else beside the inherent White Anti-Black racism .
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
FotN is just generally racist in that he makes prejudicial assumptions that white people are either overtly or covertly racist , and this is an inborn white person trait .
Sounds like an accurate analysis of your philosophy...
Originally posted by Robtard
That's what he said... He won't answer the question directly though... He'll put on his tutu and dance round and round or maybe do the side-step.
Let us put this issue, you, and k-rock to bed (together) at last, shall we. Lets analyze the situation and ban any emotions.
You, k-rock, and some of the others have accused me of writing down "Whites have inherent racism." You also have me quoted as saying that I haven't said anything of the sort.
Now, in my quote you've emboldened the words "hid his inborn and inherent racism like most whites do when in public".
Where does it read "All Whites are inherent racists" as you're implying that I've written down? See, by you're saying that, you're implying that i think all White people are racist. And you're wrong.
Then we have the second emboldened section of the other quote which reads "The inherent White anti-Black racism". And by no fault of mine that phrase was misunderstood by you. Racism is an idea, an attitude. Not a person. Everyone knows that the most popular form of anti-sentiment there has been in this country have been between Blacks and Whites. Ideas have been passed down generationaly -inherited- by the dominant families of this country and this is the inherecy I speak about.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Wrong again. Again, I am against the racist attitude of any person, no matter the color. But since the majority of the racism I see happening here in Boston comes from that of mostly Whites, from what I've seen and from what all of my other friends have seen, then that's the race that happens to get it more. But we're not on them because they're White. But because they're racists. If the majority of racists people in Boston we're Blacks or Hispanics then they'd be targeted. But not because of they're skin color. That would be hypocritical.I've already explained this multiple times. C'mon now why would I hate because his skin is lighter than mine is you ignoramus. How stupid and baseless is that.
What kind of racism are you experiencing in Boston?
I've been around white racist, if they don't like a black person, they don't need anger or a microphone to say "N****" and they will not apologize. The hecklers started it, and yes, blacks can be racist just the same. I think the hecklers were racist for mentioning his race in a pejorative manner.
Again, if I called Kramer a skinny-azz lame comedian, and he started calling me a N*****, I would be surprised and think this is racist, as my initial conversation with him wasn't racially motivated. If he stated, "get your fat azz out of here" (and everyone started laughing and gasping) I would understand that he is rebuffing my "skinny" comment. I wouldn't sue him for offending my fat sensibilities, I would feel as if "awe, you got me there buddy", and I would laugh at myself, as this is a comedy club. And all is fair game, at least, when blacks have the mic, right??
If I called Kramer a cracker, and he responded with N****, I wouldn't gasp, as I started the racial pejoratives to begin with, and yeah, people will find it funny. As the audience was laughing.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Let us put this issue, you, and k-rock to bed (together) at last, shall we. Lets analyze the situation and ban any emotions.You, k-rock, and some of the others have accused me of writing down "Whites have inherent racism." You also have me quoted as saying that I haven't said anything of the sort.
Now, in my quote you've emboldened the words "hid his inborn and inherent racism like most whites do when in public".
Where does it read "All Whites are inherent racists" as you're implying that I've written down? See, by you're saying that, you're implying that i think all White people are racist. And you're wrong.
Then we have the second emboldened section of the other quote which reads "The inherent White anti-Black racism". And by no fault of mine that phrase was misunderstood by you. Racism is an idea, an attitude. Not a person. Everyone knows that the most popular form of anti-sentiment there has been in this country have been between Blacks and Whites. Ideas have been passed down generationaly -inherited- by the dominant families of this country and this is the inherecy I speak about.
"but Kramer could've hid his inborn and inherent racism like most whites do when in public"
If you didn't mean that "whites" are inherently racist [towards blacks] and most "whites" just hide it in public in lieu of letting their true emotions out as you claim Kramer was doing, what exactly did you mean then in the above quote?
Did you notice that you said "Lets analyze the situation and ban any emotions." right after you made a homosexual inuedo towards me? 🙂 Now that's "hypocrisy of the worst kind."
OPs, I should say this, I don't consider Kramer a "skinny lame comedian", he, like ALL entertainers, has his good days and not so good days. Sometimes he makes me laugh and think, and other times he doesn't, that's the same with ALL comedians, I've never known a comedian that wasn't lame from time to time.
And most comedians make you think, YOU LAUGH, but at the same time, you do wonder about yourself and the world around you.
I think Kramer is the best because he had the nation talking about the double standard that he had to apologize for... he is bold and he stood up for himself, he could have been having a really bad work day and to hear someone say "cracker" on a good day would have been nothing, but on a bad day, when he was pulling his ear, stating "i can hear you" and they keep talking and interupting and calling him cracker and on and on and on.... he decided to give them a taste of their own medicine, and THEY COULDN'T TAKE IT, and he said it "you can talk, you can talk, you can talk...but what happens when..." The rest is history, the racist blacks can't take it, they want to play victim, all awhile bothering this man's act for the day.
Originally posted by Oncewhite
What kind of racism are you experiencing in Boston?If I called Kramer a cracker, and he responded with N****, I wouldn't gasp, as I started the racial pejoratives to begin with, and yeah, people will find it funny. As the audience was laughing.
Doesn't matter. Racism of any kind is racism. You could be a racist even if you joke about it for example; you could be one, trying to be funny about it so that others won't perceive you as one. So sort of using it as a cover-up.
Kramer's responding with the word N***** made the audience laugh. I didn't gasp at that. The majority of the applauding audience was White. Why, should I have gasped?
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Doesn't matter. Racism of any kind is racism. You could be a racist even if you joke about it for example; you could be one, trying to be funny about it so that others won't perceive you as one. So sort of using it as a cover-up.Kramer's responding with the word N***** made the audience laugh. I didn't gasp at that. The majority of the applauding audience was White. Why, should I have gasped?
Two facts you fail to realize or deliberately dodge:
1) Not many people were laughing/applauding him
2) You have no idea what the "racial" makeup of the audience was, it could have been 75% Filipino.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Doesn't matter. Racism of any kind is racism. You could be a racist even if you joke about it for example; you could be one, trying to be funny about it so that others won't perceive you as one. So sort of using it as a cover-up.Kramer's responding with the word N***** made the audience laugh. I didn't gasp at that. The majority of the applauding audience was White. Why, should I have gasped?
What makes you think the white audience members enjoyed hearing someone call Kramer a cracker? If it was indeed whites laughing, maybe it was because they were shocked at the racial projection so honestly delivered... about how rude the entire thing is...it's more like, "if you slam me, I'll slap you back..." , and he was PROJECTING, he was PROJECTING their racial attitudes back onto them, and they couldn't take it.
And another thing, I've met blacks and others who are racist, there are varying degrees of it, but again, I think this has to do with some psychological tendency, like birth order or zodiac sign, more then it has to do with "all whites are..." or "all blacks are..." or "all asians are.." or " all hispanics are...".
Remember a time when women could slap a man (usually it was PRESUMED he was misbehaving and molesting her virtue?...you gotta watch old Turner classic movies to know this...I use to watch old movies with my family) Well, at one time, SOME women would slap a man for no good reason (on a power trip), and I remember seeing COMEDY skits when the man would slap her back IF it wasn't for a good reason to begin with (he was clearly being a gentleman and didn't need to be "put in his place"😉. I've seen plenty of COMEDY skits .ike this, and the audience would gasp and laugh, as we ALL KNOW of women who would slap a guy for no good reason KNOWING FULL WELL, SOCIETY WOULD shun him for slapping her back, but in a comedic setting, it was funny and also taught us a lesson about power plays. I am paralleling this to the racial pejorative of the hecklers, on a power trip, thinking this would not be taunted back without him being (ironically) lynched by society, well, guess what, he slaps back, and the audience gasps and laughs. So, think of this as Kramer slapping back, but he had to apologize.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Let us put this issue, you, and k-rock to bed (together) at last, shall we. Lets analyze the situation and ban any emotions.You, k-rock, and some of the others have accused me of writing down "Whites have inherent racism." You also have me quoted as saying that I haven't said anything of the sort.
Now, in my quote you've emboldened the words "hid his inborn and inherent racism like most whites do when in public".
Where does it read "All Whites are inherent racists" as you're implying that I've written down? See, by you're saying that, you're implying that i think all White people are racist. And you're wrong.
Then we have the second emboldened section of the other quote which reads "The inherent White anti-Black racism". And by no fault of mine that phrase was misunderstood by you. Racism is an idea, an attitude. Not a person. Everyone knows that the most popular form of anti-sentiment there has been in this country have been between Blacks and Whites. Ideas have been passed down generationaly -inherited- by the dominant families of this country and this is the inherecy I speak about.
You are either trying to find a loophole in the English language(that doesn't exist) to get out of this, or have a really really shitty understanding of the language.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inherent
in‧her‧ent  /ɪnˈhɪərənt, -ˈhɛr-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-heer-uhnt, -her-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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1. existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute: an inherent distrust of strangers.
2. Grammar. standing before a noun.
3. inhering; infixed.
[Origin: 1570–80; < L inhaerent- (s. of inhaerēns), prp. of inhaerēre to inhere; see -ent]—Related forms
in‧her‧ent‧ly, adverb—Synonyms 1. innate, native, inbred, ingrained. See essential.
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adj.Existing as an essential constituent or characteristic; intrinsic.
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adj.Occurring as a natural part or consequence.
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Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary - Cite This SourceMain Entry: in·her·ent
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: involved in the constitution or essential character of something : belonging by nature <an infant's inherent ability to learn to walk> —in·her·ent·ly adverb
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WordNet - Cite This Sourceinherent
adj 1: existing as an essential constituent or characteristic; "the Ptolemaic system with its built-in concept of periodicity"; "a constitutional inability to tell the truth" [syn: built-in, constitutional, inbuilt, integral] 2: present at birth but not necessarily hereditary; acquired during fetal development [syn: congenital, inborn, innate] 3: in the nature of something though not readily apparent; "shortcomings inherent in our approach"; "an underlying meaning" [syn: implicit in(p), underlying]
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Inherent is not a form of inherited, which means:
in·her·it (n-hrt) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "inherited" [P]
v. in·her·it·ed, in·her·it·ing, in·her·its
v. tr.1.
1. To receive (property or a title, for example) from an ancestor by legal succession or will.
2. To receive by bequest or as a legacy.
2. To receive or take over from a predecessor: The new administration inherited the economic problems of the last four years.
3. Biology. To receive (a characteristic) from one's parents by genetic transmission.
4. To gain (something) as one's right or portion.v. intr.
To hold or take possession of an inheritance.
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....and in other news today - many individuals who attended Kramer's prior performances, called back to the comedy club where the incident occured, and asked for their money back.
After witnessing the audiences' response to Kramer's racist tirade - they were extremely offended and disgusted by what they saw(in the video tape), particularly his ability to invoke laughter within the audience, something that he was unable to do with them - during his prior standup routines.
Thank you very much. Have a nice day.He..He..He..
Originally posted by Robtard
A gay fascist... That I will never understand. "Know what I sayin'"
It's taken me years to come to terms with it too.
Originally posted by PVS
im of the thought that we [b]all should have to practice restraint. either that or we all should have the freedom to indulge our satisfaction.with that said, that guy deserved to be called a n*****. if it was a woman she should have been called a c***. if he was gay he should have been called a f*****.
if your only business is to go to a show and ruin it for everyone to feel superior, and spend all that time being nothing more than an obnoxious pecker, and there is a single word which can piss you off to the same degree as you willingly pissed them off.....im all for it [/B]
Sounds good to me.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
The real picture.
Instead of posting silly little pictures, why don't you answer the question asked of you and clarify your position... What exactly did you mean then?
Originally posted by Robtard
"but Kramer could've hid his inborn and inherent racism like most whites do when in public"If you didn't mean that "whites" are inherently racist [towards blacks] and most "whites" just hide it in public in lieu of letting their true emotions out as you claim Kramer was doing, what exactly did you mean then in the above quote?
I have to say I'm on Kramer's side here. I mean what they can call him a cracker but he says ****** and it's an outrage. I think it's ridiculious that it's getting this much media hype. Wow, so he used said ******, people say it all the time. Mostly african americans calling each other that. But if a white guy says it he'll get jumped an what not. The men in the crowd had no right to heckle him. They were doing to him what he did back to them. And all of a sudden it's horrible. But I notice it doesn't go into what the hecklers said. I mean howzabout the golden rule here. They got what they deserved and if I was in the audience I would've laughed and laughed and laughed at his jokes instead of being appauled by them. I wouldn't laugh because I'm racist but because they had it coming and most people wouldn't go at them like that and I love that he did. I think the only reason he apologized was because he wanted to be accepted in society again. But the blacks didn't apologize and they're probably town heroes for heckling him.
Originally posted by Menetnashté
I have to say I'm on Kramer's side here. I mean what they can call him a cracker but he says ****** and it's an outrage. I think it's ridiculious that it's getting this much media hype. Wow, so he used said ******, people say it all the time. Mostly african americans calling each other that. But if a white guy says it he'll get jumped an what not. The men in the crowd had no right to heckle him. They were doing to him what he did back to them. And all of a sudden it's horrible. But I notice it doesn't go into what the hecklers said. I mean howzabout the golden rule here. They got what they deserved and if I was in the audience I would've laughed and laughed and laughed at his jokes instead of being appauled by them. I wouldn't laugh because I'm racist but because they had it coming and most people wouldn't go at them like that and I love that he did. I think the only reason he apologized was because he wanted to be accepted in society again. But the blacks didn't apologize and they're probably town heroes for heckling him.
Actually, they filed a lawsuit on the grounds that they were "victimized" by Richards...