Enigma Force Vs. Phoenix Force

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]ya know, even with that statement I still find that a bit limiting. Considering draining all "potential life". If she continues to draw from that power, her source will essentially be depleted due to that potential decreasing in size. From that statement it appears that overtime her power in fact may get weaker and weaker if she chose to go that route. [/B]

The PF can draw upon the elemental forces of the universe (as well as all unborn/potential life).

Originally posted by zopzop
You realize "she" had more options than that don't you? Rachel herself explained it in her battle vs Necrom.

The PF can draw upon the elemental forces of the universe (as well as all unborn/potential life).

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]not talking about that, just that aspect. [/B]

Galactus even said it was infinite or something.

She was about as powerful as the hungry Galactus, she just didn't wear down. Infinite stamina. At least that's what the implication was.

Not to say she can't amp off sources

Either way though. The Enigma Force has nowhere near that level of power

Which is more powerful Enigma Force or Power Cosmic?

Originally posted by zopzop
Shut up 🙁

Galactus even said it was infinite or something.

I'm aware of what Galactus says, but its what he says about "denying them existence" is what got me, in that aspect ruining that potential depletes "that" specific source. Kinda hard to draw on potential when its no longer there.

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
ease up guy

I'm aware of what Galactus says, but its what he says about "denying them existence" is what got me, in that aspect ruining that potential depletes "that" specific source. Kinda hard to draw on potential when its no longer there. [/B]

I'm pretty sure Phoenix Force is more powerful

i don't think it's quite as clear cut as many think. the EF was the sentient force that powered the microverse--an entire universe unto itself. i think the 2 are very similar in fact. the pf tends to give its wielder more power than the EF gives, but i think conceptually they are very close in terms of overall power and perhaps even purpose. i'd say this is a stalemate, though were it a battle between wielders (which would be VERY cool to see) i'd say the pf wielder would likely take it.

Who's wielded EF force like Jean has wielded PF.

If it's the "Enigma Force" of its own accord (eg. not empowering someone)
then it's a stalemate against PF (on paper)

But the Enigma Force has the greater feat, while the PF has the better hype.
(feats without stipulations that is)

Originally posted by Mr Master

But the Enigma Force has the greater feat)

Which is?

From what I've read, the Phoenix Force should win, and it's not even close.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Which is?

From what I've read, the Phoenix Force should win, and it's not even close.

well, if i remember my micronauts correctly, the EF was going to destroy the universe (microverse) had the micronauts not sacrificed themselves. it is also the sentient energy that allowed the microverse to exist, and it was the power that prevented our universe and the microverse from destroying each other via the spacewall creation. not sure that is what he's talking about (been a long while since i looked through my micronauts stuff) but in the microverse, the ef was...pretty THE power. the uni-power itself is only a minor aspect of the ef. outside the microverse though (afaik) the full nature of the ef has never been explored.

Originally posted by leonidas

well, if i remember my micronauts correctly, the EF was going to destroy the universe (microverse) had the micronauts not sacrificed themselves. it is also the sentient energy that allowed the microverse to exist, and it was the power that prevented our universe and the microverse from destroying each other via the spacewall creation. not sure that is what he's talking about (been a long while since i looked through my micronauts stuff) but in the microverse, the ef was...pretty THE power. the uni-power itself is only a minor aspect of the ef. outside the microverse though (afaik) the full nature of the ef has never been explored.

The Uni-Power (a minor aspect) is also intrinsically connected to Eternity/Infinity. (mysteriously though)

The EF's full potential is impossible to say imo, I know my Micronauts,
but it is without doubt at the very least able to sustain indefinitely under its own power
a cosmic scale creation like the Microverse.

Beating a hungry Galactus in a prolonged fight is a more impressive feat than destroying the microverse imo.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Beating a hungry Galactus in a prolonged fight is a more impressive feat than destroying the microverse imo.

^ Yeah it was prolonged. I don't think he was referring to what happened in Excalibur#25. There were other events going on in Excalibur#61 throughout the course of the comic.

Notice how it says meanwhile at the top left hand corner of the page as it shifts back and forth between these different fight scenes.

Originally posted by Sundipped

^ Yeah it was prolonged. Excalibur#61 throughout the course of the comic.

Notice how it says meanwhile at the top left hand corner of the page as it shifts back and forth between these different fight scenes.

So, I must agree with you, and with Kandy's assertion.

But I disagree, that it's a better feat than sustaining indefinitely the cosmic size Microverse.
(it makes it worse for Rachel ... she was stalemated for a good while by Hungry G)

That aside, Alan Davis artwork, man I remembah! 👆

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wut up SunnyD, that wouldn't have been enough for me,
but after reviewing the issue just now, I noticed many occurrences
were going on "while" they were battling. Your logic is sound.

So, I must agree with you, and with Kandy's assertion.

But I disagree, that it's a better feat than sustaining indefinitely the cosmic size Microverse.
(it makes it worse for Rachel ... she was stalemated for a good while by Hungry G)

Originally posted by zopzop

But in Rachel's defense, she holds back. Remember during the Necrom fight she straight up admitted to it, saying if she resorted to Necrom's tactics they would have destroyed the universe.

Well, might be stretching a bit but my point is, that's something they "may have" accomplished with time,
but Rachel also literally stated:
that neither herself or Necrom had the power out-put to take out the Solar System,
which is why Necrom had to use his surroundings to do it.
(a couple moons, a planet or two, and finally the gas giant to finish the job)

So whatever her "not holding back" potential is ... it's below Solar System buster.