Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Has Juggs ever beaten any one like superman? I dont' think it's possible to beat someone so far out of his strength range. Juggs doesn't have unlimited strength. just unlimted motion and durability. One punch from superman into the sun would end the fight rather quickly.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Unknown Degree simply means that no one knows to what degree. Unlimited or limitless strength means something totally different. Nice try. I can say Bill Gates tru wealth is unkown, but saying he has limitless wealth is altogether different statement.
To be fair, the hulk's/thor's strength is also left open this way. there IS a limit in theory, (hulk's strength would NOT exceed that granted by the power gem, for instance) but Marvel is unwilling to put a definitive cap on it, leaving it open to the writer and situation. So for all practical purposes, it IS limitless. I do see what you're saying, though.
WHAT??!!!!! EVen the Hulk Stopped juggs before. And that doesn't apply to his arm.
untrue. even war hulk could not stop the juggernaut from advancing.
Superman takes this. In fact anyone does who is faster, has better reflexes and enough strength to flip over Juggernaut's body in such a position.
Let me tell you how would it go:
10 seconds before the match: their hands are put together.
3 seconds before the match: they both flex their muscles and embrace themselves.
A mere fraction of a second has passed since the fight began: Superman slams his arm towards the table with sub-light speed. Juggernaut makes a nice sideflip, he is not aware of what is happening. He is still preparing to twist his arm by any moment now.
A couple of seconds has passed: Juggernaut is wondering why on earth he is on the floor now, yet why is his shoulder aching.
Now why does this happen? When the combatants are preparing for the match to begin, the best they can do is to flex their muscles and get ready for the twist. They can't start turning their arms beforehand, that would lead to a disqualification. Superman's superior speed and reflexes allow him to start twisting while Cain is still caught in the moment of preparing. Cain's arm would touch the table far before he has realised what has happened, with or without his whole body, depending on what muscles has he flexed, if any.
It's not about strength (only sufficient strength is needed, they both have enough strength to move each other's bodies), it's about speed, reflexes and mass (better yet, the force that keeps you in place). Juggernaut's mass is greater than Superman's. It would indicate that Superman is the one flipping around. Fortunately he can fly and keep himself immovable.
Re: Classic Juggernaut goes through a arm wrestling gauntlet
Originally posted by golem370
Here where we can get some kinda of strength range he is at.1.Beast
2.Black Tarantula
3.Rogue
4.Thing
5.She Hulk
6.Professor Hulk
7.Immortal Hercules
8.Superman
Juggernaut clears it. His limitless endurance, stamina, and strength give him the advantage here.
Originally posted by breeze85
Superman takes this. In fact anyone does who is faster, has better reflexes and enough strength to flip over Juggernaut's body in such a position.Let me tell you how would it go:
10 seconds before the match: their hands are put together.
3 seconds before the match: they both flex their muscles and embrace themselves.
A mere fraction of a second has passed since the fight began: Superman slams his arm towards the table with sub-light speed. Juggernaut makes a nice sideflip, he is not aware of what is happening. He is still preparing to twist his arm by any moment now.
A couple of seconds has passed: Juggernaut is wondering why on earth he is on the floor now, yet why is his shoulder aching.
Now why does this happen? When the combatants are preparing for the match to begin, the best they can do is to flex their muscles and get ready for the twist. They can't start turning their arms beforehand, that would lead to a disqualification. Superman's superior speed and reflexes allow him to start twisting while Cain is still caught in the moment of preparing. Cain's arm would touch the table far before he has realised what has happened, with or without his whole body, depending on what muscles has he flexed, if any.
It's not about strength (only sufficient strength is needed, they both have enough strength to move each other's bodies), it's about speed, reflexes and mass (better yet, the force that keeps you in place). Juggernaut's mass is greater than Superman's. It would indicate that Superman is the one flipping around. Fortunately he can fly and keep himself immovable.
To be fair, this seems to be a case of twisting the rules substantially. The goal isn't "who can flip who's chair" its who would win in an arm wrestling contest- strictly strength and endurance based. Tug of war might be a better measure though.
In an arm wrestling tournament, no one has a "reflex" advantage as both participants are fully braced before the contest officially "starts."
at least in every arm wrestling contest I've ever been a part of.
Given roughly equal strength (and it's hard to say, as jugs has no defined upper limit) the opponent with superior endurance will win out. Jugs is magically fueled with infinite stamina, endurance, and a healing factor. he'll never tire and would win this type of competition.
If supes is substantially stronger he would win, but it's almost impossible to say as the full limit of juggernaut's strength has ever been tested.
He couldn't? I think he clearly stopped him, yet overpowered him in the fight.
Nah. there's a fairly lengthy Jugs vs. Hulk thread- the scans are there. War hulk going full out could not stop juggernaut from advancing. War Hulk won the fight, but not by "stopping" Jugs in that manner.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
To be fair, this seems to be a case of twisting the rules substantially. The goal isn't "who can flip who's chair" its who would win in an arm wrestling contest- strictly strength and endurance based. Tug of war might be a better measure though.In an arm wrestling tournament, no one has a "reflex" advantage as both participants are fully braced before the contest officially "starts."
at least in every arm wrestling contest I've ever been a part of.Given roughly equal strength (and it's hard to say, as jugs has no defined upper limit) the opponent with superior endurance will win out. Jugs is magically fueled with infinite stamina, endurance, and a healing factor. he'll never tire and would win this type of competition.
If supes is substantially stronger he would win, but it's almost impossible to say as the full limit of juggernaut's strength has ever been tested.
Don't you get it, Juggernaut would still be holding his arm in place while Superman is already turning it over, a WAY ahead. Superman starts turning his arm, Juggernaut is just flexing his arm -> Juggernaut is flipping over, there is nothing to stop him from doing so. He still isn't reacting at all -> Superman wins.
In fact, it wouldn't even matter if Juggernaut got a headstart, just a 1 cm before Superman's arm touches the table. Superman's motions are so much faster he would still have PLENTY of time to win the match. He would just turn his arm sub-light speed and either Juggernaut or just his arm would turn along. His mass isn't great enough to stop him.
With the rules specified the thread starter this is exactly what would happen UNLESS the participants were rendered completely immovable with adamantium, for example.
Current rules: at least Superman stops him.
Originally posted by breeze85You don’t need to turn your arm or wrist to lock your shoulder or elbow, this is legal by the AAA arm wrestling rules, your grip must be loose and not turned so Supes speed doesn’t come into play here. Also you will have the referee releasing the grip who is not at sub-light speed so you also have their reaction time in as well and if he happens to be in the path of Supes arm he will get killed.
Superman takes this. In fact anyone does who is faster, has better reflexes and enough strength to flip over Juggernaut's body in such a position.Let me tell you how would it go:
10 seconds before the match: their hands are put together.
3 seconds before the match: they both flex their muscles and embrace themselves.
A mere fraction of a second has passed since the fight began: Superman slams his arm towards the table with sub-light speed. Juggernaut makes a nice sideflip, he is not aware of what is happening. He is still preparing to twist his arm by any moment now.
A couple of seconds has passed: Juggernaut is wondering why on earth he is on the floor now, yet why is his shoulder aching.
Now why does this happen? When the combatants are preparing for the match to begin, the best they can do is to flex their muscles and get ready for the twist. They can't start turning their arms beforehand, that would lead to a disqualification. Superman's superior speed and reflexes allow him to start twisting while Cain is still caught in the moment of preparing. Cain's arm would touch the table far before he has realised what has happened, with or without his whole body, depending on what muscles has he flexed, if any.
It's not about strength (only sufficient strength is needed, they both have enough strength to move each other's bodies), it's about speed, reflexes and mass (better yet, the force that keeps you in place). Juggernaut's mass is greater than Superman's. It would indicate that Superman is the one flipping around. Fortunately he can fly and keep himself immovable.
Originally posted by ThePittman
You don’t need to turn your arm or wrist to lock your shoulder or elbow, this is legal by the AAA arm wrestling rules, your grip must be loose and not turned so Supes speed doesn’t come into play here. Also you will have the referee releasing the grip who is not at sub-light speed so you also have their reaction time in as well and if he happens to be in the path of Supes arm he will get killed.
If there is a human referee that's too bad for him. No such thing was stated by the thread starter. Anyway, R.I.P. Well, like I said, Juggernaut doesn't possess a required mass to keep the place. He gets flipped over. Superman, on the other hand, has the ability to fly and he CAN keep himself in place.
Originally posted by breeze85Superman would loose then, that would fall under the broken arm position, plus it is not in Superman’s nature to kill innocent bystanders so he wouldn’t kill the referee. Plus he couldn’t “flip” him and have his hand touch the pad there for it would count as a foul and a restart.
If there is a human referee that's too bad for him. No such thing was stated by the thread starter. Anyway, R.I.P. Well, like I said, Juggernaut doesn't possess a required mass to keep the place. He gets flipped over. Superman, on the other hand, has the ability to fly and he CAN keep himself in place.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
To be fair, the hulk's/thor's strength is also left open this way. there IS a limit in theory, (hulk's strength would NOT exceed that granted by the power gem, for instance) but Marvel is unwilling to put a definitive cap on it, leaving it open to the writer and situation. So for all practical purposes, it IS limitless. I do see what you're saying, though.untrue. even war hulk could not stop the juggernaut from advancing.
.... he tossed juggernaut.