You forgot Kas'im, yeah that's right, the guy you called 'an exceptional debater'.
At debating specific issues. Such as Kas'im himself. Or Bane. In anything else? Hardly.
Did you ignore the "it is believed"? The omniscient narrator says it is believed, he doesn't just factually state it
I think I made it quite clear that I didn't ignore it.
Funny how I destroyed you in the Occlumency debate.
No, what's funny is that you're the only one who thinks that.
Don't get cocky. As I recall, no one considered you any good. No one, regardless of what account you used.
Well you replied to less than half of my original points? Why is that?
I replied to everything that needed to be dealt with. The rest is just garbage that I've argued against before, and coming from you? I don't think I need to dignify anything with a response.
No, what's funny is that you're the only one who thinks that.
Yet you never replied to my last post, that is the post that completely owned your pitiful argument, and then a day later, you label me as an 'exceptional debater'. I think it's pretty clear that you knew that you lost.
[/quote]Don't get cocky. As I recall, no one considered you any good. No one, regardless of what account you used.[/quote]
Except, you apparently.
Kas'Im, I don't know you that well, but I've got a really good reading off of you, after seeing you debate and then debating with you, myself.a. You are a very good debator.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t426256.html
I replied to everything that needed to be dealt with. The rest is just garbage that I've argued against before, and coming from you? I don't think I need to dignify anything with a response.
Nice excuse!
Yet you never replied to my last post, that is the post that completely owned your pitiful argument, and then a day later, you label me as an 'exceptional debater'. I think it's pretty clear that you knew that you lost.Except, you apparently.
Like I said, at debating Kas'im, you were one hell of a debator.
Nice excuse!
I responded to what you put down, Nebaris. If I may quote Dark Empire I: "It was to the Rebel Alliance's detriment that not only could he control these wormholes, but he could create them."
Page 153 of Dark Empire I on http://swtimeline.ru
The only time he wasn't able to control them was when Luke/Leia/Anakin pooled their power to stop him.
Like I said, at debating Kas'im, you were one hell of a debator.
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You're coming of really silly here Gideon, debating ability doesn't go up or down as you switch from topic to topic, it stays the same. You labelled me as an 'exceptional debater', period. So no, you can't just get out of this one by making a petty remark about my intelligence, when you've actually already once stated that I am in fact a 'very good debater'. So yes, I think you can either reply to every point, or concede the ones that you haven't replied to.
I responded to what you put down, Nebaris. If I may quote Dark Empire I: "It was to the Rebel Alliance's detriment that not only could he control these wormholes, but he could create them."Page 153 of Dark Empire I on http://swtimeline.ru
The only time he wasn't able to control them was when Luke/Leia/Anakin pooled their power to stop him.
I never argued that he couldn't control them, I argued (and proved) that he couldn't perfectly control them. If you knew how to read, you would know this.
Becuse someone mentions it once, does that mean it is set in stone? Hell no, he could have taken you for a good debator of the small parts he had seen, as he said, he didn't know you well, and apparently he thought that you weren't as good when debating normal cases, because you had more knowledge of Kas'Im. So you can't tell him what to think, only he can, so stop trying to argue that he thinks you're good, because HE DOESN'T...
Becuse someone mentions it once, does that mean it is set in stone? Hell no, he could have taken you for a good debator of the small parts he had seen, as he said, he didn't know you well, and apparently he thought that you weren't as good when debating normal cases, because you had more knowledge of Kas'Im.
This is just you being unperceptive, and buying into his excuses. Did it not ever occur to you that by labelling me as a bad debater, and then saying that my points were so illogical that they didn't deserve a response, that he was creating an excuse for him not to reply, simply because he was losing?
The fact is, he labelled me as an 'exceptional debater' before I had ever made a single argument for Kas'im, in fact, it was a day after I beat him in the Occlumency debate - completely unrelated to SW, so what does that tell you?
And for the record, I don't really care if I'm rated or not (and I'm not going to lie, I think Escape is good, but he hasn't been in this argument), I'm only arguing this point so he doesn't have an excuse to not reply to the earlier argument, because it's an argument that I'm pretty dedicated to winning, as it's tiring seeing in every DE Sidious thread that he wins because of his force storm.
The point is, there is no evidence that Sidious can use them on a small scale, and logic dictates otherwise, therefor he can't do them by default in the context of versus fights.
I cannot take either of your words, cause you say you won, he say you didn't, some other bystanders should say who won and who lost. And still, the thing I'm saying here is that he does not think of you as a good debator now, so anything he has said in the past, is in the past. So you cannot really chose what he is to think.
I cannot take either of your words, cause you say you won, he say you didn't, some other bystanders should say who won and who lost.
Put it this way, we were both having an intense debate, he was replying to fewer and fewer of my points as the debate progressed, he eventually stopped replying and left the debate, and then the next day, he labels me as an 'exceptional debater'.Doesn't take a genius to work out who won the debate now does it?
Anyways, you've most likely read the HP books yourself, out of curiosity (just want to hear your opinion, not start an off topic debate), do you think Occlumency requires any innate magical ability?
And still, the thing I'm saying here is that he does not think of you as a good debator now, so anything he has said in the past, is in the past. So you cannot really chose what he is to think.
I can't actually believe you would buy his excuses, it's pretty clear that he has no argument, so he's stating that I'm somewhat inept at debating so he has an excuse to not reply, because he quite frankly cannot do so. I was just pointing out that he's clearly lying as he has constantly stated in the past that I was good, and there would be no reason for his opinions to change too drastically since.
Well he probably has another way of seeing it, or a totally different story. Care to show the thread?
And buying his excuse? I don't see how his opinion is an excuse, it was he who stated you were an exeptional debator, it was he who stated you weren't, I think he can make that decision best on his own. However, doesn't mean you are either of the things, but if it's his opinion he can change it whenever.
Sorry, my HP knowledge is lacking! Don't know what Occlumency is...
And buying his excuse? I don't see how his opinion is an excuse, it was he who stated you were an exeptional debator, it was he who stated you weren't, I think he can make that decision best on his own. However, doesn't mean you are either of the things, but if it's his opinion he can change it whenever.
His excuse was that he didn't believe that my posts were deserving of a reply, because I was such a bad debater. That is clearly an excuse for him to not reply, otherwise he would have to continue arguing a flawed point, or concede the point, neither of which he wanted to do. If you honestly believe that he's being genuine, and he really does have the ability to destroy all of my disputing points, but is choosing not to because he doesn't consider me worthy of a reply, than you really are truly bad at reading people.
Well he probably has another way of seeing it, or a totally different story. Care to show the thread?
Consider the fact that he was the one who chose to stop replying, and then labelled me as an 'exceptional' debater the next day...
Here's where the debate began. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=405188&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=120
If I don't know the debt of the thing you debate, and I don't know how anything played out, and I can only go from you two's different opinons, then I can only choose who is most likley to tell the truth, and from what I've seen, you've been banned over 6 times, you lied about books on Star Wars to get your point through, while Escape probably hasn't even gotten a warning and mostly gets his points through. I would trust him more, and thus I would go with him...
Anyway, one single debate doesn't mean shit to be honest, and it is his opinion, you seem to get stuck on the point that he once called you an exeptional debator (which I never found), when he now says you are not. If he has said it in the past doesn't mean he can't say it now. Anyway, let's stop this, it is off topic anyway. Sorry for continuing....
I just have a question on the poll. Who do you mean by Other? If you're asking who's the best duo, do you mean Master Apprentice or something of that sort? Because I could say LOTF Luke and LOTF Jacen, who could own everything in their path! Or I could LOTF Luke and LOTF Kyp Durron who could smash Yoda and Mace.
But I would say Yoda and Mace are very good....so they may take this among the given choices.
Anyway, one single debate doesn't mean shit to be honest, and it is his opinion, you seem to get stuck on the point that he once called you an exeptional debator (which I never found), when he now says you are not. If he has said it in the past doesn't mean he can't say it now. Anyway, let's stop this, it is off topic anyway. Sorry for continuing....
True, I have won certain debates against individuals before. However, just because of that I don't consider myself superior.
And yes, kamikz has a point. Escape considered you to be good in the past, but now apparently he feels otherwise. This could be for many reasons, but yes.
Anyway, this is stupid to talk about. Both of you should discuss this privately.
Originally posted by kamikz
you've been banned over 6 times,
3 times!
you lied about books on Star Wars to get your point through,
When?
while Escape probably hasn't even gotten a warning
'Cause he kisses butt.
and mostly gets his points through.
He lies and is biased.
I would trust him more, and thus I would go with him...
You've already showed yourself to be very bad at reading people, so this doesn't really mean much.
Anyway, one single debate doesn't mean shit to be honest, and it is his opinion, you seem to get stuck on the point that he once called you an exeptional debator (which I never found), when he now says you are not. If he has said it in the past doesn't mean he can't say it now. Anyway, let's stop this, it is off topic anyway. Sorry for continuing....
This is true, I haven't argued with the fact that opinions can change, but it really doesn't take a genius to work out that his excuses are completely ingenuine, just read through the whole thread, you will see. I can actually prove this, so just try me if you still buy into his excuses.
And I can recall three times where he has labelled me as such, but that doesn't matter because I already posted the exact quote and link where he called me a 'very good debater' which is as good for me as 'exceptional' anyway.
True, I have won certain debates against individuals before.
Who may I ask, because you once blurted out that you drew with Advent, when it's pretty clear that you didn't.
Anyways Quinlan, the whole point wasn't so I could have a big argument about my debating skills, who's better out of me or Escape and all that bs, like you seem to think, and like Kamikz seems to think even though I've said otherwise to him like ten times. I honestly don't care how people rate me, the whole purpose of starting the discussion was that me and Escape were originally in a SW debate, and I'm pretty confident I was winning, and then he came up with the excuse that my arguments weren't worth a response because I was a 'proven idiot', and then he chose not to reply. I was pretty dedicated to winning the argument due to the fact that it is tiring to see everybody post that Sidious wins in every thread because he can use his force storm, when in fact he can't, and I was trying to make this clear to everyone in this thread so people would actually know the truth, so the fact that he just left is pretty annoying, I mean at least concede. Anyways, this whole off topic debate was to prove that his excuses were bs, and that he clearly had no argument.