Best SW Duo!

Originally posted by Crado
3 times!

When?

'Cause he kisses butt.

He lies and is biased.

You've already showed yourself to be very bad at reading people, so this doesn't really mean much.

This is true, I haven't argued with the fact that opinions can change, but it really doesn't take a genius to work out that his excuses are completely ingenuine, just read through the whole thread, you will see. I can actually prove this, so just try me if you still buy into his excuses.

And I can recall three times where he has labelled me as such, but that doesn't matter because I already posted the exact quote and link where he called me a 'very good debater' which is as good for me as 'exceptional' anyway.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t426256.html

Whatever... 😛

And he doesn't lie..... You did that vs me, we were arguing Maul vs Mace, and you said there was a book that described how Sora and Mace made Vaapad, and that he had made it before TPM, but that was a lie, because there is no book named "brothers of swords"....

Lol, because I disagree with you I suck at reading people? Mhm...

And wth, you're stuck on one single quote, "your a good debator", so what, care to actually acknowledge that he also said, "bad debator"? Shouldn't that even out the whole deal?

And he doesn't lie.....

He does lie...

Escape: Sidious possesses more knowledge of the force than any other sith lord. 'he has mastered all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure'.

^=lie.

You did that vs me, we were arguing Maul vs Mace, and you said there was a book that described how Sora and Mace made Vaapad, and that he had made it before TPM, but that was a lie....

FTW! I never said that, what are you chatting about?

And wth, you're stuck on one single quote, "your a good debator", so what, care to actually acknowledge that he also said, "bad debator"? Shouldn't that even out the whole deal?

When he said that I was a good debater, there would have been no reason for him to lie.

When he said that I was a bad debater, he had a reason to lie.

So no, it doesn't quite even it out, though I will admit that my skillz are as extreme as they get.

I don't lie in my debates, Nebaris. The line came from an omniscient narrarator - I used it. The line was also provided to me by Lightsnake. Though, as it seems, Kamikz seems to think that you have lied in a debate before. Curious coincidence...

As for the whole Occulumency debate, just who thought that you won? Given that the whole technique is a magical art, and that no Muggle has ever been shown defying Legilimency, it is logical to deduce that one must have magical power in order to master it. And some considerable skill at that, given that most wizards are unable to utilize it.

As for you being a good debator, once again, Kas'im and you may be the same person - but you argued differently. You did well when you argued for Kas'im or Darth Bane, but other than that, I have never praised you for your abilities. In fact, as I recall, you carried the same flaw that you do in all other usernames that you come here with. You are cocky, and you attempt to pass off your opinions as fact.

And, finally, as for the discrepency regarding Sidious's Force storms. Dark Empire explains that he can control them, and then it also says that he can't. There is an easy way to settle that. It is obvious that Sidious loses control of the Force Storms when he faces an opponent/s of immense strength in the light side of the Force, such as the Force pooling of three Skywalkers, who possess among the highest connections to the Force itself.

Other than that, he has never been shown to err in his control of them. He can even adjust their purpose, to destroy - or to teleport Luke. I would assume that that takes considerable control.

In regards to him using it in a versus fight, it is highly possible, though I will grant you that he would be unable to do it in certain arenas, without killing himself - and if he knew that he were going to be beaten, he'd likely do that, if only to kill his opponent.

The basic point is WHO CARES!!! If Nebaris or Escape want to lie, then go ahead, lie people, but then others won't take you seriously and think you suck then. Nebaris, Escape is right as you debate well in Kas'Im and Bane threads. And Nebaris, several witnesses have declared you of lying. Guilty you are on this. And Escape, you have been known to say "oh i'm not to argue this, its pointless" when you are the middle of a heated debate. But does it matter? Argue this in a PM if you guys want, don't spam the thread.

Originally posted by Crado
He does lie...

Escape: Sidious possesses more knowledge of the force than any other sith lord. 'he has mastered all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure'.

^=lie.

FTW! I never said that, what are you chatting about?

When he said that I was a good debater, there would have been no reason for him to lie.

When he said that I was a bad debater, he had a reason to lie.

So no, it doesn't quite even it out, though I will admit that my skillz are as extreme as they get.

I think Escape put it best himself, he didn't lie, he just got one single word of the line wrong and it wasn't even in this debate, in this debate he stated that Sidious posses more knowledge than any other sith,
and Sidious does posses more knowledge than any sith lord....

Yes you have, it was a pretty decently long time ago, so I wouldn't blaim you not for remembering.

Oh really? Maybe he wanted to be nice to you? Or maybe you debate good in that thread only and made it seem like you were good. (Since he himself replied he "didn't know you" but you seemed to be good there). Either way, this isn't relevant, and I don't care, you might be good, or you might be bad, I haven't checked latley and I don't plan to either. But you should take it into account what other people say, you cannot decide sorley for yourself if you're a good debator, often other people will notice, so maybe if you ask around if you really want to know.

But you should take it into account what other people say, you cannot decide sorley for yourself if you're a good debator, often other people will notice, so maybe if you ask around if you really want to know.

OMFG!!! How can you not get this yet? I don't give a flying fvck whether I'm good or not, the whole point was that Escape was clearly making excuses by saying that I was such a bad debater that I wasn't worthy of a response, and I was just showing that he has stated me to be good many times in the past, thereby making it pretty obvious that his excuses were ingenuine, meaning that he was looking for an easy way out of the argument without conceding, because he was losing. I mean it's pretty funny how he suddenly finds me to be bad when and only when it gets him out of a tricky situation.

And people have said that I'm good before (Escape, Darth Sith, Prodigal Knight to name a few), however that's not the point, I don't give a feck either way, you just seem to think that I'm fishing for compliments, if so than you missed the entire point of our discussion, and I've explained myself pretty clearly already so whatever.

Yes you have, it was a pretty decently long time ago, so I wouldn't blaim you not for remembering.

I never stated that, I never would have reason to because I don't believe it anyway, you're wrong. And even if I did, ever think that I might have just made a mistake?

I think Escape put it best himself, he didn't lie, he just got one single word of the line wrong and it wasn't even in this debate, in this debate he stated that Sidious posses more knowledge than any other sith,
and Sidious does posses more knowledge than any sith lord....

It's pretty obvious that he lied, he's done it in the past for Sidious.

Originally posted by Crado
[b]OMFG!!! How can you not get this yet? I don't give a flying fvck whether I'm good or not, the whole point was that Escape was clearly making excuses by saying that I was such a bad debater that I wasn't worthy of a response, and I was just showing that he has stated me to be good many times in the past, thereby making it pretty obvious that his excuses were ingenuine, meaning that he was looking for an easy way out of the argument without conceding, because he was losing. I mean it's pretty funny how he suddenly finds me to be bad when and only when it gets him out of a tricky situation.

And people have said that I'm good before (Escape, Darth Sith, Prodigal Knight to name a few), however that's not the point, I don't give a feck either way, you just seem to think that I'm fishing for compliments, if so than you missed the entire point of our discussion, and I've explained myself pretty clearly already so whatever.

I never stated that, I never would have reason to because I don't believe it anyway, you're wrong. And even if I did, ever think that I might have just made a mistake?

It's pretty obvious that he lied, he's done it in the past for Sidious. [/B]

Zomg, OMFG!!!!
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Oh then take a look at the first ****ing page. Escape said he didn't even need to belittle your intelligence, THEN HE ANSWERED TO YOUR POST. How the hell do you say that he didn't answere AT ALL? Do you not get that he answered to everything that needed to be answered? You don't need to adress to every single point ever made in a post, just the ones that are important, and as Escape said, the rest was "pure garbage".

That's from YOUR point of view. Last time I checked, you weren't inside Escape's head. I didn't even find the quote that said you were a good debator, AND EVEN IF HE DID SAY THAT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN SHIT, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT BECAUSE YOU YOURSELF WAS A SUCKY DEBATOR THAT HE DIDN'T ANSWERE, IT WAS BECAUSE HALF OF THE POST WAS IRRELEVANT. The actual thing that Escape noted was NOT that he wouldn't reply because you had sucked in previous debates (don't know where you got this), he perfectly said that he didn't "need to belittle your intelligence", the points in your post he answered to normally. This cannot get more clear....

Yes, yes you did. And how can you get it wrong when you state the name of a non exsistant book that no one else in the entire forum knew about? And you even admitted it afterwards when we caught you!

No, as he said, he only got the quote from LS, and so did I, still I said nearly all here and so did Escape!

Anyway, this is pointless and off topic, I won't answere one more time. So no need to reply, and even if you do, I WON'T ANSWERE.

Originally posted by Gideon
The rest is just garbage that I've argued against before, and coming from you? I don't think I need to dignify anything with a response.

ZOMG Kamikz, what's this^?

And he actually missed out the more vital part of the debate, and that was that whether Sidious could utilise his force storms on a small scale.

Yes, yes you did. And how can you get it wrong when you state the name of a non exsistant book that no one else in the entire forum knew about? And you even admitted it afterwards when we caught you!

Stop lying, now!

That's from YOUR point of view. Last time I checked, you weren't inside Escape's head. I didn't even find the quote that said you were a good debator,

I only fvcking posted it twice!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t426256.html
^Review the bottom post.

AND EVEN IF HE DID SAY THAT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN SHIT, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT BECAUSE YOU YOURSELF WAS A SUCKY DEBATOR THAT HE DIDN'T ANSWERE, IT WAS BECAUSE HALF OF THE POST WAS IRRELEVANT.

Does this even make sense? 😐

And Nebaris, several witnesses have declared you of lying. Guilty you are on this.

Provide proof, or stfu!!

Topic!

Originally posted by Strawman
I don't lie in my debates, Nebaris.

BS!!
'Luke has as much potential as Anakin', much?
'Force Storm can be used on a small scale', much?
'Sidious has mastered every known technique, much?

The line came from an omniscient narrarator - I used it.

Keep repeating that it came from an omniscient narrator Gideon, even though it's irrelevant because of the 'it is believed', but keep doing it by all means.

The line was also provided to me by Lightsnake.

You lied Gid, don't try and get out of it.

Though, as it seems, Kamikz seems to think that you have lied in a debate before. Curious coincidence...

And it's bs! I'll eat my words if one person provides proof that I have.

As for the whole Occulumency debate, just who thought that you won?

Clearly you, considering you labelled me as an 'exceptional debater' the very next day, and refused to continue the debate.

Given that the whole technique is a magical art

So is fvcking Potion Making!! Does that require innate magical ability?

and that no Muggle has ever been shown defying Legilimency

Muggles don't even fecking know that wizards exist, they know jack about legilimency, what the **** is your point?

it is logical to deduce that one must have magical power in order to master it.

No, it isn't! All it requires is having a strong will.

And some considerable skill at that, given that most wizards are unable to utilize it.

I'm not saying it's easy, a strong will is a rare thing, but it doesn't require magical power.

As for you being a good debator, once again, Kas'im and you may be the same person - but you argued differently.

No, we didn't. And even if that's true, I argued my best on this topic, so if you choose to reply to what you originally ignored, you would still be replying to the same exceptional debater[i].

You did well when you argued for Kas'im or Darth Bane, but other than that, I have never praised you for your abilities.

I had never even argued against you for ****ing Kas'im or Bane by the time that you wrote that, and you were partially basing that original assessment off of debating me yourself, and guess what? The said debate was the one on Occlumency, completely unrelated to ****ing SW.

In fact, as I recall, you carried the same flaw that you do in all other [I]usernames that you come here with. You are cocky,

Coming from the fecking 'logic hound'?

and you attempt to pass off your opinions as fact.

Escape81: Occlumency requires innate magical ability.
Escape81: Sidious can perfectly control his force storms.
Escape81: Sidious can utilise his force storms on a small scale.
Escape81: Anakin > Dooku. [Zephiel pwned your ass in that debate]

And, finally, as for the discrepency regarding Sidious's Force storms. Dark Empire explains that he can control them, and then it also says that he can't. There is an easy way to settle that. It is obvious that Sidious loses control of the Force Storms when he faces an opponent/s of immense strength in the light side of the Force, such as the Force pooling of three Skywalkers, who possess among the highest connections to the Force itself.

Other than that, he has never been shown to err in his control of them. He can even adjust their purpose, to destroy - or to teleport Luke. I would assume that that takes considerable control.

I never ****ing argued that he couldn't control them, I just stated that his control hadn't reached perfection.

In regards to him using it in a versus fight, it is highly possible, though I will grant you that he would be unable to do it in certain arenas, without killing himself - and if he knew that he were going to be beaten, he'd likely do that, if only to kill his opponent.

Thank you!!!
Conceding a point, for once!

Originally posted by Crado
Stop lying, now!

I only fvcking posted it twice!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t426256.html
^Review the bottom post.

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Does this even make sense? 😐 [/B]

Yup, it does.

Now I think the best team would probably be either Luke or DE Sids, or it would be Luke or Jacen.

And sorry, but I just had to remark this. You constantly bring up that he called you a good debator and that he wouldn't lie in that state, but if you look RIGHT UNDER THAT, he say this....
"But you pull stuff out of your ass and try to pass it off as if it has some bearing on the argument".

Now he would have no reason to lie about that either now would he?

BS!!
'Luke has as much potential as Anakin', much?
'Force Storm can be used on a small scale', much?
'Sidious has mastered every known technique, much?

It was Lightsnake who pioneered the whole "Luke's potential equals that of Anakin's", due to a quote from an interview with George Lucas. I may have repeated that a few times, but you'll notice that I do not do so now, as Advent and others have pointed out the glaring discrepencies.

As for the Force Storm technique, it is logical to assume that that could happen - as the Force Storm that Sidious manipulated on Coruscant and the one he used against the New Republic fleet varied in size and in purpose.

Finally, as for the Sidious mastered every technique, we've been through this.

Keep repeating that it came from an omniscient narrator Gideon, even though it's irrelevant because of the 'it is believed', but keep doing it by all means.

Please. Because you dictate that it is irrelevent means absolutely nothing to me.

You lied Gid, don't try and get out of it.

Oh, yes... I'm such a devious person. I do nothing but lie in my arguments. Everything I say is a blatant deception to further along my ridiculous arguments.

And it's bs! I'll eat my words if one person provides proof that I have.

Ah. It's BS because someone said that you lie. I see.

Clearly you, considering you labelled me as an 'exceptional debater' the very next day, and refused to continue the debate.

I see. You're assuming? That's nice. The entire basis for "I pwned Escape81 at Occulumency!!!1111!1" is because you are assuming that I think you won the debate? Okay... lol. I refused to continue the debate because you were as rigid as I was in my belief, and I no longer continued the debate because:

a.) It was off topic, and we were asked to stop.
b.) If I couldn't convince you then, I wasn't going to, so I felt that there was no point in continuing.

So is fvcking Potion Making!! Does that require innate magical ability

Someone's getting upset... Potion Making is taught in magical school because the knowledge of potion making is strictly maintained by wizards and wizards alone, and only they know the adequete techniques.

Muggles don't even fecking know that wizards exist, they know jack about legilimency, what the **** is your point?

Well, clearly, if a strong mind is all that's required - several Muggles should possess the skill.

No, it isn't! All it requires is having a strong will.

Then there should be many, many wizards in Harry Potter who have mastered it.

I'm not saying it's easy, a strong will is a rare thing, but it doesn't require magical power.

Strong will is a rare thing? Perhaps not extremely common, but I wouldn't exactly say that it is rare. And, once again, if that is the case - than Harry (who resisted the Imperius Curse from Lord Voldemort himself) should have mastered the art fairly easily.

No, we didn't. And even if that's true, I argued my best on this topic, so if you choose to reply to what you originally ignored, you would still be replying to the same exceptional debater[i].

Oh, yes, you do argue differently. Kas'im was a fairly pleasant debator, who - while limited in what he could debate - debated it well.

I had never even argued against you for ****ing Kas'im or Bane by the time that you wrote that, and you were partially basing that original assessment off of debating me yourself, and guess what? The said debate was the one on Occlumency, completely unrelated to ****ing SW.

Am I touching a nerve?

Perhaps you could realize that I [I]read your arguments against others? 😉

You're assuming, again. Remember what assuming can make out of you and me? Well, in this case, just you... but...

Coming from the fecking 'logic hound'?

Coming from the guy who says that his skills are as "extreme" as they get? Please.

Escape81: Occlumency requires innate magical ability.

You've yet to prove differently.

Escape81: Sidious can perfectly control his force storms.

He can - 'til a powerful collective of light side energy confronts him. Again, have you yet to prove differently? 🙂

Escape81: Sidious can utilise his force storms on a small scale.

Have you yet to prove differently? He can not only perfectly control the Storms on average, but he can also control their purpose: teleportation or destruction. And, as I said, the storm he used against the fleet differs in size from the one on Coruscant.

Escape81: Anakin > Dooku. [Zephiel pwned your ass in that debate]

I will likewise turn a question to you that Zephiel threw in my face. Where you not reading?

Anakin is greater than Dooku. Zephiel didn't deny that, and he couldn't deny that. Anakin has fa more power. He is the superior fighter. Dooku only was winning due to his psychological advantage, but that does not make him the stronger fighter or the more powerful combatant.

Anakin was both. Like I told him. Anakin, tapping into the dark side, is greater and far more powerful than this "all-mighty", "near invincible" Dark Lord of the Sith (Dooku), and wiped him out with unspeakable ease once Sidious gave him some advice.

Lucas confirmed it: Anakin was stronger.

I never ****ing argued that he couldn't control them, I just stated that his control hadn't reached perfection.

The only time his control failed him was, again, when Luke/Leia/Anakin interfered - which Dark Empire was logically referring to.

Thank you!!!
Conceding a point, for once!

Oh, I've done it before.

I see. You're assuming? That's nice. The entire basis for "I pwned Escape81 at Occulumency!!!1111!1" is because you are assuming that I think you won the debate? Okay... lol. I refused to continue the debate because you were as rigid as I was in my belief, and I no longer continued the debate because:

a.) It was off topic, and we were asked to stop.
b.) If I couldn't convince you then, I wasn't going to, so I felt that there was no point in continuing.

You conveniently left out that you fecking refused to continue the debate via PM! Mother****er!!

Someone's getting upset... Potion Making is taught in magical school because the knowledge of potion making is strictly maintained by wizards and wizards alone, and only they know the adequete techniques.

That same ****ing explanation can be applied to Occlumency, dumbass!! The knowledge of legilimency and how to defend against it is strictly maintained by Wizards.

Coming from the guy who says that his skills are as "extreme" as they get? Please.

Extreme as in inconsistent, dumbass.

^I'll reply to the rest of this bs tomorrow, I look forward to it, there are many flaws in your argument.

Calm the hell down. Gees, someone needs to get laid!

(A joke, don't freak!)

I think I did touch a nerve. 😐

Ah damn, I'm gonna take a shot tomorrow at the hospital, don't say that! ^ 🙁

I'd say either Vader and Sidious or Anakin and Obi Wan.

What do you mean by 'Best' Duo? If it means strongest then i would probably say that Mace and Yoda would take the cake.

But if it mean best duo as in who works the best together then it would have to be either Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan or Han Solo/Chewbacca. Qui-Gon and co I think worked the best together and had the most respect for each other out of anyone. As oppose to, say, Anakin/Obi-Wan who worked well together, but were jealous of each others abilities and were always bickering.

Han Solo and co also worked great together and saved each others lives on numerous occasions. They had a huge amount of respect for each other and I dont remember ever seeing them argue. Also note Cewies loyalty to han when he tries choking Lando to death.