Batdude's Tourney Discussion Thread · Battlezone

Scoobless sselboocS

Originally posted by leonidas
problem with the meshing<skyfather is:
WHAT is skyfather? do we use only high showings to decide . . .? seems a pretty arbitrary and debateable ceiling . . . 😬

Same with Thanos level.

We need clearer guidelines.

DigiMark007 Forum Leader

I honestly don't think we can make completely clear guidelines. It might be too vague a power level to fully pin down.

Regardless, I don't really have an opinion because I'm still sorta confused, but I feel like I know a little bit more than before.

Scoobless sselboocS

Honestly though .... I don't think there's anything we could do with 3 herald level characters to put one of them at Odin's level of power.

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darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Scoobless
Honestly though .... I don't think there's anything we could do with 3 herald level characters to put one of them at Odin's level of power.
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Yes but Odin is the TOP skyfather. What could you do with three high level heroes that would make them equal upgraded Surfer? Nothing probably. But I'm pretty sure that you could do something with 3 high levels to have them equal Nova(the herald) or Wonder Woman or Hulk(he's a low end herald level isn't he?).

Scoobless sselboocS

Let's just say there was a way to take Absorbing Man, Super Adaptoid and Despero and add all there power into one body ... that guy would still be below Odin or Zeus ... IMO

DigiMark007 Forum Leader

So when is our match anyway?

BD had said Tuesday, but I was petitioning for Sunday and he said he would let me know.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Scoobless
Let's just say there was a way to take Absorbing Man, Super Adaptoid and Despero and add all there power into one body ... that guy would still be below Odin or Zeus ... IMO

Yes but is the limit the most powerful skyfather(meaning that we can exceed the power of the average skyfather), or just skyfather's in general?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So when is our match anyway?
BD had said Tuesday, but I was petitioning for Sunday and he said he would let me know.

I'm not really sure. We should probably find out though.

Blair Wind The Iron Avenger

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes but is the limit the most powerful skyfather(meaning that we can exceed the power of the average skyfather), or just skyfather's in general?

Name a skyfather with enough showings (besides Odin and Zues) that we could actually gauge. With those two being the only ones we can gauge, I would have to say at LEAST Zues (which him being weaker).

Besides I really doubt any of our mixes (or as Scoobless said, take all three with their powers into one body) none of them scratch skyfather level

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Name a skyfather with enough showings (besides Odin and Zues) that we could actually gauge. With those two being the only ones we can gauge, I would have to say at LEAST Zues (which him being weaker).
Besides I really doubt any of our mixes (or as Scoobless said, take all three with their powers into one body) none of them scratch skyfather level

Most consider Mephisto skyfather level when he's not jobbing or pretending to lose to ensnare a character. And the combined power of many of the picks COULD conceivably match Mephisto.

Blair Wind The Iron Avenger

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I don't think Memphisto counts as a Skyfather. Silver Surfer etc. has challenged him in his own realm. Besides, he isn't a leading member of his own pantheon either. He's just ruler of his own dimension, Dormammu is too and he isn't Skyfather.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Blair Wind

Mephisto could kill Surfer fairly easily within his own realm, he just doesn't because he wants Surfer's soul, not his life(he's actually said as much). And the cut off isn't being an ACTUAL skyfather, it's being skyfather level, so the fact that he doesn't lead a pantheon is irrelevant(though technically, I'm sure he's got plenty of Devil worshiper types paying him homage, and he's got a slew of Demons that probably have them also). If being an ACTUAL skyfather was the cut off, then there really wouldn't be any limits to power meshing at all, because nothing anyone does will create a pantheon of Gods to follow them. That's not the cut off, it's skyfather LEVEL(meaning that you could conceivably beat a skyfather without PIS involved). Galactus doesn't have a pantheon following him, and he's over skyfather. The Watcher doesn't have a pantheon following him, and he's probably over some skyfather's too. Warlock with the Soul Gem wouldn't be as powerful as Odin, but I'm sure if Digi found a way to summon it into battle everyone would throw a shit fit.

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

using just high feats mephisto easily reaches skyfather level and above.

using just high feats, odin easily matches most of galactus's feats.

so now the limit is below galactus . . .?

the avengers matched zeus (and it was not a powerhouse line-up) for a while before zeus took them out, and actually hurt him and completely pissed him off. there are a NUMBER of characters in this tournament that could solo that group of avengers as 'easily' as zeus did. the jla team despero tore up was MUCH more powerful than that avengers line-up that battled zeus.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by leonidas
using just high feats mephisto easily reaches skyfather level and above.
using just high feats, odin easily matches most of galactus's feats.
so now the limit is below galactus . . .?
the avengers matched zeus (and it was not a powerhouse line-up) for a while before zeus took them out, and actually hurt him and completely pissed him off. there are a NUMBER of characters in this tournament that could solo that group of avengers as 'easily' as zeus did. the jla team despero tore up was MUCH more powerful than that avengers line-up that battled zeus.

Captain America almost took down King Thor...

Just thought I'd throw that in.

So was it Captain America that was also in the group that attacked Zues?
If so, that explains a lot.

Plus, there are still rules?
They have changed so much, I don't even know what the current ones are...
Like when was the power meshing above Thanos?

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

Originally posted by bigbran
Captain America almost took down King Thor...
Just thought I'd throw that in.
So was it Captain America that was also in the group that attacked Zues?
If so, that explains a lot.

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Plus, there are still rules?
They have changed so much, I don't even know what the current ones are...
Like when was the power meshing above Thanos?

ya see, that's what I wanted to know . . . i'm a friggin judge and have no real clue what is and is NOT legal . . . 🙁

Soljer Beware my Power

I always thought that each individual had to be sub-thanos, but the power meshing was free reign. 😬.

Scoobless sselboocS

That would make this simpler .... but I don't think that's how it's going (though it hasn't really held many people back yet)

darthgoober Senior Member

I've got a question. I've came across several instances of Despero referencing his first fights with the Justice League(from before Crisis), so does that mean I can use PC feats along with his more recent stuff like Pre and Post Crisis GL's?

Scoobless sselboocS

Don't think so ... Just because he remembers it doesn't mean it's not still PC.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Scoobless
Don't think so ... Just because he remembers it doesn't mean it's not still PC.

But the justification for GL's using PC feats was that Hal was referencing them in more recent comics. Apparently(for whatever reason), Despero wasn't effected by COIE like everyone else, so his PC feats should still be valid.