AotC Darth Tyranus vs TESB Vader and ANH Obi Wan

I dopn't think Vader got much more powerful from TESB to RotJ and he performed best dueling-wise in TESB. Fights on the Invisible Hand where the first duel took place in RotS. Tyranus doesn't know that Vader was once the man that killed him. Ben will not let Dooku kill him like he let Vader. Who takes it?

Dude, Vader himself > Tyrannus. The BIGGEST THREAD HERE PROVED THAT (Vader vs. Tyrannus: 1033 posts and like 50+ pages). With Obi-Wan this is overkill.

Two words - Force lightning.

Ahem, those two words had like five pages to themselves of arguments. Still, Vader won.

Originally posted by Faunus
Two words - Force lightning.

It would certainly disable and kill Vader - if it hit him. AotC Obi-Wan, again, handled Count Dooku's lightning without any difficulty. Given that, as Vader, he is calm and collected, I don't see why he shouldn't be able to do the same - which could allow Obi-Wan to attack and distract Count Dooku.

If I remember correctly, Vader is 80% of RotJ Sidious. If Dooku's stronger than him, it's not by much.

Originally posted by Gideon
It would certainly disable and kill Vader - if it hit him. AotC Obi-Wan, again, handled Count Dooku's lightning without any difficulty. Given that, as Vader, he is calm and collected, I don't see why he shouldn't be able to do the same - which could allow Obi-Wan to attack and distract Count Dooku.

If I remember correctly, Vader is 80% of RotJ Sidious. If Dooku's stronger than him, it's not by much.

Excuse me for asking, isn't the lightsaber hilt made of electrum? Electrum is an alloy of silver and gold, and a good conductor of electricity.

In this case, if Dooku decided to play things out tactically, wouldn't he just send his blast of lightning to aim for Vader's lightsaber hilt, thus providing a conductor for the lightning to enter Vaders mechanical body and screw him over?

Ben might be a bit of a problem...but he's out of practice. Dooku could take out Vader and isolate Kenobi, if what I said works out.

And couldn't Vader move his lightsaber down and bock the Lightning with the laser, instead of the hilt?

From what we’ve seen, the lightning seems to be wide enough to encompass the entire blade + hilt length. In this case part of the lightning could touch the blade and part of the lightning could hit the blade. Given Vader’s body’s high conductivity to lightning, he could end up getting screwed over.

And yet when Dooku fired Lightning at Obi-Wan, Kenobi seemed to block it with the laser proper quite easily.

Excuse me for asking, isn't the lightsaber hilt made of electrum? Electrum is an alloy of silver and gold, and a good conductor of electricity.

Were Obi-Wan and Mace's lightsaber not made of electrum? Because Obi-Wan stopped Dooku's lightning with no ill effects, and the only trouble that Mace had came from the sheer force of Sidious's lightning - and the power behind it.

And, honestly, Zephiel - is the substance of the hilt itself going to be the primary weapon of your argument?

In this case, if Dooku decided to play things out tactically, wouldn't he just send his blast of lightning to aim for Vader's lightsaber hilt, thus providing a conductor for the lightning to enter Vaders mechanical body and screw him over?

Honestly, dude, I don't see that happening. But even if that is the case, how would Count Dooku know that the lightsaber is made from electrum, without analyzing it, first? Is electrum easily spotted at a glance?

Ben might be a bit of a problem...but he's out of practice. Dooku could take out Vader and isolate Kenobi, if what I said works out.

I don't see Dooku taking out Obi-Wan and Vader. Like I said, Vader's supposedly 80% of Sidious by RotJ (I keep forgetting if that is his potential or sheer fighting abolity) - and I don't see Dooku being much more than 80% - if he is at all.

I doubt the lightning will stop Vader. If that is the case, Vader's sheer physical strength could bludgeon Dooku to death as it is, being consistently stronger than Anakin. Obi-Wan would rank higher than just your general "distraction", too.

I don't see Tyranus beating them.

Escape, I don't see Dooku getting past Tyrannus. Is it me or didn't we spend 50+ pages on Vader being greater than Tyrannus? I'm not going all of that again becaue I though we had confirmed that Vader > Tyrannus.

[B]Were Obi-Wan and Mace's lightsaber not made of electrum? Because Obi-Wan stopped Dooku's lightning with no ill effects, and the only trouble that Mace had came from the sheer force of Sidious's lightning - and the power behind it.

Well Vader, unlike Mace, seems to be extremely susceptible to the effects of lightning. Didn't Palpatine say that?

And, honestly, Zephiel - is the substance of the hilt itself going to be the primary weapon of your argument?

This is a loose argument if anything. I am not actively trying to prove something...just trying to show people different possibilities.

Honestly, dude, I don't see that happening. But even if that is the case, how would Count Dooku know that the lightsaber is made from electrum, without analyzing it, first? Is electrum easily spotted at a glance?

Lightsabers are all made of an alloy of gold and silver, right? Wouldn't that be common knowledge that the Count can use in this battle?

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Escape, I don't see Dooku getting past Tyrannus. Is it me or didn't we spend 50+ pages on Vader being greater than Tyrannus? I'm not going all of that again becaue I though we had confirmed that Vader > Tyrannus.

Do I see Dooku getting past Tyranus? 😛

No, I don't see Count Dooku defeating Vader. I can see Dooku putting up a hell of a fight - and yes he can win due to Force lightning (but that's if he can hit Vader) - but Vader's mentality has allowed him to make the dark side his tool, so he is no longer the unreasonably aggressive brute that he once was.

That, and he has had more time to study the Sith arts than Count Dooku, thus he logically possesses more of control and experience with them. His physical strength is also consistently strong (moreso than Anakin's), and Count Dooku can't withstand his strength. Finally, Vader has a skill with manipulating the environment against his opponent. That in itself may not stop Dooku, but it'd certainly keep him busy.

Couple that with Obi-Wan, and yeah, I see Dooku going down.

Well Vader, unlike Mace, seems to be extremely susceptible to the effects of lightning. Didn't Palpatine say that?

In Rise of Darth Vader, he asked Vader if that is why Vader does not attempt to take the mantle of Sith Master. "Because I possess powers that you lack? Because you know that I could easily overwhelm the delicate electrical devices of your suit?"

But, first, Sidious is - again - more powerful than Count Dooku in the Force by a considerable margin. What is easy for him may not be easy for Count Dooku. That said, I have no doubt that Dooku could overwhelm Vader's suit - but I doubt with a single shot, and then of course, he'd have to hit Vader first.

That, and I doubt he could destroy the lightsaber.

This is a loose argument if anything. I am not actively trying to prove something...just trying to show people different possibilities.

It may be so. But I highly doubt that that possibility is likely going to happen.

Lightsabers are all made of an alloy of gold and silver, right? Wouldn't that be common knowledge that the Count can use in this battle?

I'm confused. Pardon my ignorance of the topic. All lightsabers are made from electrum? And all electrum lightsabers are gold and silver?

LOL Escape, by your previous post I thought you meant that Tyrannus could take on one of his opponents (and defeat them) individually but not both.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
LOL Escape, by your previous post I thought you meant that Tyrannus could take on one of his opponents (and defeat them) individually but not both.

No. I can see him beating Obi-Wan (due to a superior mastery of the Force and Obi-Wan was out of practice), but I don't see him beating Vader.

Dooku is individually better than both of them, but I dont see him beating them both simultaneously. Even though ANH Kenobi was out of practice he was still able to keep up and stalemate Vader. But while saying that, he more often than not gets pwned by Dooku as seen in the OT. I grudgingly hand this victory to the duo.

Lol, perhaps Dooku will do his choke/kick manoeuvre on the two again.

Stubborn Rampant.

This is overkill Ox.

@ Rampant, it's called Force-Choke-Throw.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Dooku is individually better than both of them, but I dont see him beating them both simultaneously. Even though ANH Kenobi was out of practice he was still able to keep up and stalemate Vader. But while saying that, he more often than not gets pwned by Dooku as seen in the OT. I grudgingly hand this victory to the duo.

Lol, perhaps Dooku will do his choke/kick manoeuvre on the two again.

I coulda sworn we had this conersation already, you and me. Remember the force choke/ Crush versus Lightning bit we had?

Originally posted by Captain SEX
I coulda sworn we had this conersation already, you and me. Remember the force choke/ Crush versus Lightning bit we had?

I certainly do - and my stance on the matter hasnt change in the slightest. I dont see how Darth Vader could win against a Force Lightning wielding opponent, especially when that opponent is as skillful as Count Dooku. Force Choke can be avoided/countered by breaking the users concentration and I dont see Vader being able to pull off a Force Crush in the middle of a battle.