General Grievous vs. Darth Vader (OT)

This is Vader in his prime during the OT vs. General Grievous in EU. Personally I think that Grievous would win. Vader's chance of wining is using the Force. I think that Grievous will be able to dodge Vader's Force attacks and once he engages Vader in saber combat he's won cause there's no way Vader's going to be able to block all of Grievous's sabers at the same time seeing as how fast Grievous moves them. I mean, EU Grievous put up a good fight against Mace Windu (LOE), defeated 5 Jedi on Hypori pretty easily (two of which were Council members, though they were all tired this is still a great feat), defeated 4 Jedi Masters with easy in LOE before kidnapping Palpatine and survived a huge explosion at the end of the General Grievous comics. So I'd say he has Vader.

vader-but its close

Vader Force Crushes Grievous like Mace did and then Vader beats him down with his cape.

Unless Grievous dodges the Force Crush.

Yeah like he did Mace's

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Yeah like he did Mace's

Well, if the power to destroy a planet, is insignificant next to the power of the force...then so is GG.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Well, if the power to destroy a planet, is insignificant next to the power of the force...then so is GG.

Dodging Force push is one thing but Force crush directly effects the opponent.

Greivous wins. He is simply to fast for Vader.. Remember this is EU GG, who is far better than his ROTS counterpart. I dont see how Vader is fast enough to dodge all 4 of GG's blades, especially when he got defeated by the likes of Luke, who had next to no training with a sword. GG is also extremely acrobatic and can easily match (if not better) Vader in raw physical strength.

Dodging Force push is one thing but Force crush directly effects the opponent.

especially when he got defeated by the likes of Luke, who had next to no training with a sword.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Well, he was conflicted and trying [b]not to kill LKuke, but still I could never see Luke getting past Grievous's attacks. [/B]

True, but im sure getting you arm hacked at in ESB and hand chopped off in ROTJ was never part of Vaders plan. If Luke can get these attacks in on Vader I see no reason why GG couldnt do the same, only to a much deadlier degree.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
True, but im sure getting you arm hacked at in ESB and hand chopped off in ROTJ was never part of Vaders plan. If Luke can get these attacks in on Vader I see no reason why GG couldnt do the same, only to a much deadlier degree.

Vader was trying to capture Luke not kill him. Vader had to disarm Luke one way or another and taking a hand seems better then taking a head when you want your opponent alive.

And remember using all 4 lightsabers will restict the General's movements if anything. With 4 blades going at those high speeds General Grievous wouldn't be able to show off any acrobatics here or else he would end up slicing off his own body parts.

Now using 2 would make Grievous be able to move around more like he was seen doing in the Clone Wars microseries. But even then Vader has mastered using the Force in combat and would be able to apply the Force Crush on Grievous.

Honestly, if this EU Grievous includes Clone Wars Grievous, then Vader doesn't have a prayer of a chance in single combat.

Something needs to be done about the Clone Wars cartoons, the feats displayed in them cant be considered canon, they contradict the movies in such a ridiculous fashion.

I'm not exactly sure how Lucasfilm views the feats in the Clone Wars cartoons...

They should seriously be considered N-Canon, as they make zero sense at all.

If Mace could canonically do what he does in the CW cartoons then technically he could of went into the Geonosis arena BY HIMSELF and singlehandedly destroyed all the droids in the arena without the aid of his lightsaber, and rescued Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padme BY HIMSELF...

Such things cant be considered canon, its illogical.

Greivous wins. He is simply to fast for Vader.. Remember this is EU GG, who is far better than his ROTS counterpart. I dont see how Vader is fast enough to dodge all 4 of GG's blades, especially when he got defeated by the likes of Luke, who had next to no training with a sword. GG is also extremely acrobatic and can easily match (if not better) Vader in raw physical strength

How stupid this is! Just because Vader is slow doesn't mean he loses. Grievous's strength would be rendered useless by Vader's strength and his Djem So power. Vader can just use his blade to viciously block Grievous’s blades. Vader's a master of Cho Sun, the art of disarming, so he can cut down Grievous’s lightsabers.

And Rampant, Luke did not defeat Vader. There’s first the liklihood that Vader was not trying to kill Luke because he was only trying to seduce him. The second part is that Vader was surprised by Luke’s ferocity. Yes, he expected anger, but he did not expect the total rage which Luke attacked with. Even your precious Dooku would have been overwhelmed in that scenario.

Of course, if this is a lightsaber duel only, then yes I go for Vader but EU Grievous may win, but that’s a small chance. However, if Vader is allowed to use the Force, then Vader can definitely win. Vader’s strong Force powers can weaken Grievous and his skill with the blade is powerful enough to bring down the droid General.

CW cartoon grievous makes sense because Grievous is as strong in all of EU as he is in the cartoon. The only thing he's weaker in than he is in the Cartoon is ROTS, and the in-universe explanation for this is he got weaker when Mace Force-Crushed his chest.

Again CW Grievous is an exaggeration, just like everyone else in the show. Do you think Mace can punch out an army? Do you think Kit Fisto can destroy ships? Do you think Luminara and Bariss can hold an entire mountan with meditation? Do you think Grievous can pwn 8 Jedi, some who are the finest in the Order? NO!!! It's an exaggeration my friend.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Again CW Grievous is an exaggeration, just like everyone else in the show. Do you think Mace can punch out an army? Do you think Kit Fisto can destroy ships? Do you think Luminara and Bariss can hold an entire mountan with meditation? Do you think Grievous can pwn 8 Jedi, some who are the finest in the Order? NO!!! It's an exaggeration my friend.

Mace is an exaggeration since he's stronger in the cartoon than he is anywhere else. Same with Yoda. Kit's and Shaak Ti are exaggerations, too, but on a smaller scale. Same with Luminara and, especially, Barriss. All of these Jedi are exaggerations because theyir stronger in the cartoon than they are anywhere else. Grievous is NOT an exaggeration because he is just as strong in all of EU as he is in the cartoon. Grievous only pwnd 5 Jedi at once, not 8, and among the 5 they were all exhausted, Grievous had the advantage of fear on his side, and he had the advantage of surprise on his side. Had he had none of these advantages and the Jedi had not been exhausted then Grievous would have been destroyed, so no, it's not an exaggeration. Again, he is the same in the cartoon as he is in every thing he's in except ROTS, so it is NOT an exaggeration.

C'mon Darth, are you kidding me? Anakin is exaggerated. Kit is exaggerated. Luminara is exaggerated. Bariss is exaggerated. Asajj is exaggerated. Mace is exaggerated. Literally every lightsaber-wielding warrior in that show is exaggerated by a tenfold. So just because of nowhere, the directors of the CW are going to be like "Oh, everyone else is exaggerated. Let's not do that to Grievous." Please, CW Grievous is exaggerated, though not by a lot.

And then Grievous manages to dodge all those gunshots by the Clones!!! Seriously, CW Grievous is an exaggeration of the real EU Grievous.