New Excalibur "Unredeemed"(spoilers)
Well the story arc started focusing on Juggernaut possibly going back to his oldschool power levels. So if anybody read it what's your views so far? I think Juggy will remain one of the good guys as he is on the cover of issue #16 along with Excalibur, but then again covers can be deceiving.
I didn't get "Jug will remain a good guy" from #13 at ALL. In fact, I got the exact opposite of that.
Basically, we see the Wrecking Crew beating the shit out of Jugs, all the while saying things like "Hah, the Juggernaut? I remember when I could count on you to beat any hero who got in your way, but now you're getting your ass beat by us, the Wrecking crew!". They go on to beat him senseless until he's saved by his teammates...and then the good shit happens.
He hears voices (most likely Cyttorak's) telling him to rape one member of his team and kill the others. The voice tells him that he doesn't have to remain weak, that he could be a god again if he wanted. All he has to do is-
And then we see Jug going to where he first found the gem. DUN DUN DUN!!!
Cyttorak is messing with Jug's mind(which we find out he's done the entire time Jug has been Jug. Which would explain some of the evil he's done), trying to turn him evil again or at least turn him into a tear-it-up machine and we all know Jug ain't great at pushing off mental suggestions.
Of course, Jug could be a good guy and suck still, but man...looks like he's on his way to kicking-your-favorite-hero's-ass-ville to me. I sure hope so!!@!!E#QRR
Awesome, awesome, AWESOME comic.
Originally posted by long pigSweet! Was there any explanation for him being so weak also?
I didn't get "Jug will remain a good guy" from #13 at ALL. In fact, I got the exact opposite of that.Basically, we see the Wrecking Crew beating the shit out of Jugs, all the while saying things like "Hah, the Juggernaut? I remember when I could count on you to beat any hero who got in your way, but now you're getting your ass beat by us, the Wrecking crew!". They go on to beat him senseless until he's saved by his teammates...and then the good shit happens.
He hears voices (most likely Cyttorak's) telling him to rape one member of his team and kill the others. The voice tells him that he doesn't have to remain weak, that he could be a god again if he wanted. All he has to do is-
And then we see Jug going to where he first found the gem. DUN DUN DUN!!!
Cyttorak is messing with Jug's mind(which we find out he's done the entire time Jug has been Jug. Which would explain some of the evil he's done), trying to turn him evil again or at least turn him into a tear-it-up machine and we all know Jug ain't great at pushing off mental suggestions.
Of course, Jug could be a good guy and suck still, but man...looks like he's on his way to kicking-your-favorite-hero's-ass-ville to me. I sure hope so!!@!!E#QRR
Awesome, awesome, AWESOME comic.
Originally posted by bigbran
Sweet! Was there any explanation for him being so weak also?
But, Jug was the best Jug and he wants him back.
Originally posted by long pigOh, OK, thanks.
He rejected Cyttorak, and that's a no-no. Cyttorak's biggest, well, only true characteristic is Ego/Vanity. When Jug rejected him, he took back his godlike power.But, Jug was the best Jug and he wants him back.
yes i had heard some noise that throughout cytorrak's immortal life, he has appointed a mantle of juggernauts thoughout human history. cain is just the latest..that is if you dont count that 14yo kid cytorrak had sent after him after he banged she hulk...the point being all his avatars had to be the epitomy of evil, so lets see if he bites oon that carrot of unlimted power that cytorrak is dangling b4 him...you know its bad when the wrecking crew is handing out ass whoopings. especially when luke cage and spider woman manhandled the strongest one among them
Originally posted by manjaro
yes i had heard some noise that throughout cytorrak's immortal life, he has appointed a mantle of juggernauts thoughout human history. cain is just the latest..that is if you dont count that 14yo kid cytorrak had sent after him after he banged she hulk...the point being all his avatars had to be the epitomy of evil, so lets see if he bites oon that carrot of unlimted power that cytorrak is dangling b4 him...you know its bad when the wrecking crew is handing out ass whoopings. especially when luke cage and spider woman manhandled the strongest one among them
I really dig the idea that Cyttorak acts as a split personality in Cain's mind, telling him evil things to do, evil plots and such. Belittling him or picking out his every weakness to get him to obey...all 24/7. It makes sense.
The real Jug would have ran through the WC in maybe 30 seconds.
Originally posted by long pigWell, i say this because New Excalibur is still considered Claremont's book. Tieri is only filling in while CC's health gets better. Therefore, Tieri's bound not to be doing anything as drastic as turning one of the team members back into a bad guy.
I didn't get "Jug will remain a good guy" from #13 at ALL. In fact, I got the exact opposite of that.
I'd rather Tieri was staying on the book. I didn't care for it when CC was penning, but it's actually been interesting lately.
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well, i say this because New Excalibur is still considered Claremont's book. Tieri is only filling in while CC's health gets better. Therefore, Tieri's bound not to be doing anything as drastic as turning one of the team members back into a bad guy.I'd rather Tieri was staying on the book. I didn't care for it when CC was penning, but it's actually been interesting lately.
Juggernaut should've had the sense to do this:
http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toxin4201ej.jpg
Originally posted by long pig
Only when Absorbing Man joined the crew was it half-way decent. And he ended up beating the whole team's ass in about 3 seconds when they turned on him.Ah, it was so awesome, too.
Non-Jobbing Wrecker is a force to reckoned with
He has demolished entire buildings with one hit of his crowbar
