Originally posted by lightness
the average genin in naruto can run up walls and move faster than the eye can see, so cloud doesn't really have a speed advantage if any. he may have the jumping advantage, but he'd probably just be confused in the mist realistically.
Cloud was fighting sephroith in mist and stuff while in mid air, cloud was fighting three skill fighters at the same time, two had guns (witch cloud was able to dodge and deflect with ease), one had the haste ability (witch is faster than any Ninja so far in Naruto), and the other was very skilled with his sword. Cloud was also able to knock Bahamut down by himself when it was summoned to attack the city, no one in Naruto has displayed strength on that level yet. Cloud also have distance attacks in his asernal, so Zabuza won't be able to disappear into his mist.
Originally posted by dvampire
Cloud is an ex soldier, who are all highly trained warriors; Cloud was one of the best.
Cloud wasn't one of the best Zack was. Cloud was a loser stuck in a blue uniform he never made solder first class like Zack did so he wasn't the best, he didn’t get the best training either. Zabuza killed over hundred people before the age of 10. Much bester than cloud.
Zabuza can use water clones to distract cloud (which would be easy because cloud isn’t very smart) then BAM water imprisonment followed by water summon Cloud dead. Clouds fighting abilities just don’t compare to Zabaza’s. Also Zabaza can do everything that Cloud does in advent children he just doesn’t get the chance to.
Originally posted by dirkdirden
Cloud wasn't one of the best Zack was. Cloud was a loser stuck in a blue uniform he never made solder first class like Zack did so he wasn't the best, he didn’t get the best training either. Zabuza killed over hundred people before the age of 10. Much bester than cloud.Zabuza can use water clones to distract cloud (which would be easy because cloud isn’t very smart) then BAM water imprisonment followed by water summon Cloud dead. Clouds fighting abilities just don’t compare to Zabaza’s. Also Zabaza can do everything that Cloud does in advent children he just doesn’t get the chance to.
Originally posted by dirkdirden
Cloud wasn't one of the best Zack was.[QUOTE]Cloud was a loser stuck in a blue uniform he never made solder first class like Zack did so he wasn't the best, he didn’t get the best training either.
Cloud was weak when he first came to soldier, but not now. He's one of the best now.
Zabuza killed over hundred people before the age of 10. Much bester than cloud.
Zabuza killed weak, untrained people, he won't be doing that to Cloud who's far stronger than him.
Zabuza can use water clones to distract cloud (which would be easy because cloud isn’t very smart) then BAM water imprisonment followed by water summon Cloud dead.
Cloud was smart enough to save the world from being destroyed by Sephiroth. And those water clones won't fool Cloud, I doubt Zabuza will be able to pull any justsu off before being killed.
Clouds fighting abilities just don’t compare to Zabaza’s.
Cloud beat the best swordman in soldier (Seph), his fighting abbilty is way higher than Zabuza.
Also Zabaza can do everything that Cloud does in advent children he just doesn’t get the chance to.
Prove it. No one has displayed strength on Cloud's level in Naruto (not even him). A sword strike will cut Zabuza apart or send him flying off some where, his strength doesn't come close in comparison.
Jumping above the mist and casting ultima would make the mist go away for a little while but it would come right back. Cloud is limited with magic he can't cast ultima forever.
Zabaza killed ninjas not weak untrained people
Cloud saving the world didn't require much intelligence thought the game he is pretty stupid.
How in the hell would could be able to tell the difference between a water clone and the real thing. He has never had to deal with clones before and he doesn't have any special ablates that can see thought ninjizu.
Cloud joined solder at 14 or 15 Zabaza was a ninja at 8 and a part of the ANBU assassination squad before the age of 15. Zabaza fight training far exceeds that of clouds.
Zabaza's sword is larger and heavier than clouds and he swings around with just as much ease as cloud does so that proves his strength.
Zabaza is far to good of a fighter\assassin to get beaten by cloud. Skill will always prevail over mindless sword swinging strength.
Originally posted by dirkdirden
Jumping above the mist and casting ultima would make the mist go away for a little while but it would come right back. Cloud is limited with magic he can't cast ultima forever.Who said Cloud has to go to the extreme to get Zabuza, all Cloud needs to do is jump out of there. Zabuza is going to have to re cast it, but that takes up chakra. He'll just be wasting it, because cloud will jump out of the mist everytime.
[QUOTE]Zabaza killed ninjas not weak untrained people
They're still weak compared to Cloud, who fights monsters and armed soldiers with weapons.
Cloud saving the world didn't require much intelligence thought the game he is pretty stupid.
What has Zabuza done, nothing. Cloud saving the world is far better and takes smarts to do, since Sephiroth wasn't stupid at all.
How in the hell would could be able to tell the difference between a water clone and the real thing.
How the heck is Zabuza going to pull the technique off against someone who's going to be attacking him, Cloud doesn't have to stand there while Zabuza use his move.
He has never had to deal with clones before and he doesn't have any special ablates that can see thought ninjizu.
Cloud fought three clones actually, and they were equiped with far superior weapons than Zabuza.
Cloud joined solder at 14 or 15 Zabaza was a ninja at 8 and a part of the ANBU assassination squad before the age of 15.
So, how is this going to help him in this fight.
Zabaza fight training far exceeds that of clouds.
Zabuza was fooled by Childern (Naruto and Sasuke), he doesn't come close to far exceeding him. And Cloud has beaten people with more experinced than him, like Seph.
Zabaza's sword is larger and heavier than clouds and he swings around with just as much ease as cloud does so that proves his strength.
How does that proves his Strength?
Cloud sword is larger and heavier, and he swings it around with ease. And chop buildings and knock building size monsters done with ease. Cloud is way stronger.
Zabaza is far to good of a fighter\assassin to get beaten by cloud.
Yet he lost to people weak than Cloud. Cloud will beat Zabuza, it's not going to last long.
Skill will always prevail over mindless sword swinging strength.
Cloud have all the above, switch makes Zabuza a dead man.
They're still weak compared to Cloud, who fights monsters and armed soldiers with weapons.
and some naruto chars can 1 hit kill monsters with barehands, what's your point
What has Zabuza done, nothing. Cloud saving the world is far better and takes smarts to do, since Sephiroth wasn't stupid at all.
How the heck is Zabuza going to pull the technique off against someone who's going to be attacking him, Cloud doesn't have to stand there while Zabuza use his move.
Cloud fought three clones actually, and they were equiped with far superior weapons than Zabuza.
Zabuza was fooled by Childern (Naruto and Sasuke), he doesn't come close to far exceeding him. And Cloud has beaten people with more experinced than him, like Seph.
he beat seph in ac because he was arrogant and never takes him seriously. in ff7, he beat angel seph with a lot of help.
Cloud sword is larger and heavier, and he swings it around with ease. And chop buildings and knock building size monsters done with ease. Cloud is way stronger.[/B]