EKK - Am worried for Jack (possible spoilers)

Originally posted by Mistypirate
Yes and that would make sense, 😄 The W/E ship would accept the J/L ship. Nobody would want to see Jack mirroring DJ, I don't think that the W/E shippers would either accept that. Dint T or T said something about that, that one ship would accept the other ship? or something like that.

yeah they said that.

so...jack can't do the exact same thing that DJ did because then there would be no lesson in the story, so i think that J/E would be a really good ending, honestly-i think that if Will found someone else or could accept liz with jack and goes with his father that the W/E shippers would accept this also.

Even the W/E shippers cant deny the chemistry between Jack/Liz 😄

Totally undeniable

✅

Corrrrecto 😄

all i know is that im positive jack wont cut is heart out. ted and terry sed it was going to be a bitter-sweet ending, that wouldnt be it lol... ppl would be killing eachother over that ending... riots on the streets ect...

LOL I would believe it, imagine that....people rioting on the streets because he stabbed the heart? 😄 I would boycott Disney myself.

I never said he would stab the heart.I dont think he will..but I have the feeling he wants to..according to the leaked draft script he wanted to stab it because he thinks Elizabth isn't returning his love..or something like that..ot he's hinting at that I cant remember lol

I've said this many times...I just hope that when we leave AWE...we leave with a good feeling about Jack...rather it be he's found love or whatever. I love Jack and Liz together...and as far as I'm concerned, they are the couple that is destined to be toghether...but if that doesn't happen, all I really care about is Jack being the happy, witty, lovable Captain Jack Sparrow...it would be awful if Ted and Terry turn him into this lovesick, whimpy, shadow of a man....they Better Make Things Right With Jack....

I agree..I just hope they don't RUINE the legend for us...I mean OFCOURSE Will is obviousely better in fights...and Lizzie is best of all of them in handling ships(remember the commantary in COTBP whre T & T talk about Will and Lizzie in the fight wiff the pearl: "Elizabeth takes control of what SHE'S good at which are ships and Will takes control of what HE'S good at fighting and battles"😉 and Jack's obviousely wittiest and smartest and BAD and swords fights...(compared to other main characters)

but he's actually a GOOD sailor...matter of fact is he's too bloody selfish to take control and he rather take care of him self... lets rewind: first he's your ypical captain when they sail to Isla De Muerto but he's actually thinking of his goal and sails the crew through the storm , THE FIRST FIGHT he's too busy trying to get his "leverage" to actually do anything, in the cave he takes good control but that doesn't count since it was just him and will (on his side)...DMC his thinking of himself ALL THROUGH THE MOVIE..and is too busy to think of the crew..

FINALLY the last part...the ONLY part where we see him be the PERFECT captain is when he gives up being selfish...so that's what I'm worried about..he's actually a GOOD sailor if he wants to be...who falls in love(with Lizzie?) and goes all sad on us?

lovethem tigers I totally agree..I just hope he's witty and on top of things, not at ALL disturbed he didn't get lizzie, has the pearl and a good crew and that he's happy...even if happy means he leaves wiff the whores

Here are the relevant quotes from the leaked script (in italics), commented by myself as posted in my livejournal:

http://ladyofthesilent.livejournal.com/5003.html#cutid1

Back on the Pearl, Will hides and attacks Jack at night, fully intending to kill him. Of course, he questions him about his feelings for Elizabeth – but Jack is reluctant to answer. Note he steps back into the darkness when Will brings up the topic; obviously, he doesn’t want Will to see his face:

WILL
Could it be we have the same end game in mind?

JACK SPARROW
Could be! As always you hope to save the winsome Elizabeth, of
course.

WILL
As do you, when you’re not trying to save your skin.

Jack regards Will as their swords ring. He steps back into the
darkness.

Then, there’s a lot of sword-fighting (and the missing page 55), and finally, Jack’s great moment, considered by many as completely OOC:

Jack engages Will with a vengeance, parries a thrust into the hull
of the ship. Briefly has the advantage, but doesn’t use it. Instead
he turns and looks out to sea.

JACK SPARROW (CONTD)
I think I will stab the heart.

(Will is surprised)

I’ve been dead, and I don’t want to go back. To live forever, and
see everything there is to see - - maybe twice - - who wouldn’t want
that?

Will pulls his sword from the hull, joins jack looking out to sea.

JACK SPARROW (CONTD)
This life we have is cruel, Will, it mocks us we’re granted just a
taste, if we’re lucky, and then it’s ripped away. I’ve been on the
path to the Land of the Dead. I’ve been there and I’ve done that, I
don’t care to do it again.

Now what’s wrong with Jack? Of course, he’s afraid of dying – who wouldn’t understand that, considering the fact that his death was a rather violent one and his purgatory (a deserted island) not a very nice place to be? But why stab the heart? To become immortal, of course, but there’s more to it. Here, we have a very clear parallel to Davy Jones’s story which is highlighted by Jack saying “This life we have is cruel”. Davy says almost the same thing, something along the lines of “This life is cruel, why should the afterlife be better?”. Then, he refers to his (unrequited?) feelings for Elizabeth: “..we’re granted just a taste …”: Jack wanted to know what it tastes like and Elizabeth showed him when she kissed him – here you can see how much that kiss apparently meant to him – poor Jack!

The 56 pages end with more sword-fighting between Will and Jack, but we can safely assume that the subject of J/E will be followed further throughout the movie.

Originally posted by mmoviejunkie
yeah they said that.

so...jack can't do the exact same thing that DJ did because then there would be no lesson in the story, so i think that J/E would be a really good ending, honestly-i think that if Will found someone else or could accept liz with jack and goes with his father that the W/E shippers would accept this also.

i totally agree, could this also be a bitter sweet ending for the w/e shippers? they use davy jones to set up this story... then we get that all to famous disney ending with the whole morals, happy ending, right thing to do, ect...group inlove

Originally posted by ladyofthesilent
Here are the relevant quotes from the leaked script (in italics), commented by myself as posted in my livejournal:

http://ladyofthesilent.livejournal.com/5003.html#cutid1

Back on the Pearl, Will hides and attacks Jack at night, fully intending to kill him. Of course, he questions him about his feelings for Elizabeth – but Jack is reluctant to answer. Note he steps back into the darkness when Will brings up the topic; obviously, he doesn’t want Will to see his face:

WILL
Could it be we have the same end game in mind?

JACK SPARROW
Could be! As always you hope to save the winsome Elizabeth, of
course.

WILL
As do you, when you’re not trying to save your skin.

Jack regards Will as their swords ring. He steps back into the
darkness.

Then, there’s a lot of sword-fighting (and the missing page 55), and finally, Jack’s great moment, considered by many as completely OOC:

Jack engages Will with a vengeance, parries a thrust into the hull
of the ship. Briefly has the advantage, but doesn’t use it. Instead
he turns and looks out to sea.

JACK SPARROW (CONTD)
I think I will stab the heart.

(Will is surprised)

I’ve been dead, and I don’t want to go back. To live forever, and
see everything there is to see - - maybe twice - - who wouldn’t want
that?

Will pulls his sword from the hull, joins jack looking out to sea.

JACK SPARROW (CONTD)
This life we have is cruel, Will, it mocks us we’re granted just a
taste, if we’re lucky, and then it’s ripped away. I’ve been on the
path to the Land of the Dead. I’ve been there and I’ve done that, I
don’t care to do it again.

Now what’s wrong with Jack? Of course, he’s afraid of dying – who wouldn’t understand that, considering the fact that his death was a rather violent one and his purgatory (a deserted island) not a very nice place to be? But why stab the heart? To become immortal, of course, but there’s more to it. Here, we have a very clear parallel to Davy Jones’s story which is highlighted by Jack saying “This life we have is cruel”. Davy says almost the same thing, something along the lines of “This life is cruel, why should the afterlife be better?”. Then, he refers to his (unrequited?) feelings for Elizabeth: “..we’re granted just a taste …”: Jack wanted to know what it tastes like and Elizabeth showed him when she kissed him – here you can see how much that kiss apparently meant to him – poor Jack!

The 56 pages end with more sword-fighting between Will and Jack, but we can safely assume that the subject of J/E will be followed further throughout the movie.

that's it, my heart is completely broken on behalf of Jack. that is the hottest scene, and the most tragic, EVER. I'm serious. I'm going to lose my mind. its too intense, too tragic, too beautiful. i cant handle it.

but this scene definately seems to set the love triangle back in the main light--- Will is asserting that Jack cares enough about Elizabeth to try and rescue her.

Elizabeth... Winsome? not exactly the word i would use to describe her.

this seems to be setting up a scenerio where Will stabbing the heart would mean in certain things:
-it would mean he had changed his opinion of Jack for the better
-it would mean he values Jack enough to want Jack to experience a human life
-OR it would mean he wants to deprive Jack of immortality

it could also mean Will has accepted that Elizabeth may have a better future with Jack.

this scene just seems to set up these two men as basically, all of a sudden vying for the same things.

before this film, they have always had seperate interests and then could therefore work alongside to achieve them. but now, they are both going after the pearl and both going after elizabeth. but generally, when two heroes are going after similar things, doesnt one bow out after realizing the value of the other?

GOSH T&T, why are you pitting them against each other?!?! its not smart. its not fun. 🙁

I honestly think the only reason Will is being portrayed as the 'better' sailor is because everyone wants the hero to get the girl. But remember, Jack was just put in there as a sidekick, believe it or not. He was just the comedy part, but T&T grew attached to him.

They did a favourtism thingy, it's like this. They have pasts and personalities, they like Jack more so they give him the humour, they don't much like Will so they give him the stupid actions. Favourtism.

But Jack suddenly became the main character, and the audience felt confused that Jack got nothing in the end. And now they're going back to the beinging, they're trying to make Will look worthy of Liz by making him more of a pirate and not so foolishly barge in without a plan.

They're setting everything up so that the audience is fooled by the sudden change of personality by the characters. The cold shouldering on Lizzie's part, the miserably kicked puppy for Jack and the taking control Will. They're trying to pull on over us.

Either that or they're letting rumours of all sorts trick us so that we'll be surprised no matter what ending.

Originally posted by katelovespirate
[B]that's it, my heart is completely broken on behalf of Jack. that is the hottest scene, and the most tragic, EVER. I'm serious. I'm going to lose my mind. its too intense, too tragic, too beautiful. i cant handle it.

I absolutely love that scene (especially Jack's lines) and I sincerely hope they kept it in the final draft. It's very intense, especially because it makes the relationship between Jack and Will a lot more interesting than it has ever been before. Obviously, Will wants to kill Jack. But what does Jack want? Apparently, he doesn't really want to see Will dead (and I think it has been implied heavily in DMC that he cares about Will because Will is the son of his friend Bill) and though he does defend himself, his heart doesn't seem to be in it.

It's heartbreaking to see him staring out at the sea and repeating the words of Davy Jones - even Will is momentarily shocked by Jack's uncharacteristic behaviour.

but this scene definately seems to set the love triangle back in the main light--- Will is asserting that Jack cares enough about Elizabeth to try and rescue her.

It becomes quite obvious that Will doesn't really blame Elizabeth for what happened, but accuses Jack - and Jack doesn't even deny he cares about Elizabeth, nor does he try to put the blame onto Elizabeth (it is interesting he doesn't even imply that her role in all this was quite different from what Will appears to believe). Now, of course, the conflict is mainly about the triangle, but I think what is important here is that they show that Will has indeed grown a lot darker. He wants to kill his rival, and I have no doubt he really hates Jack at that moment of the story. While I think the conflict will be resolved in the end, it will probably grow worse in the course of the movie. If it is true that Bill became a pirate not because his wish had always been to "go pirating" but because he followed his friend Jack Sparrow, Will's feelings towards Jack will probably not exactly change for the better as soon as he learns this.

S&S, i;m really hoping its the last thing you said--- they're letting rumors fly to gain publicity. its making me a bit crazy.

Johnny Depp apparantly has enough say in the production that he got to approve the script, so i seriously doubt he would approve a script that ended Jack as a tragic figure... right????

But look at all of Johnny's roles in his life. They are comedic, beautiful and very generally pleasing characters. But what do we see half way into the movie? A sad, tragic person hiding behind humour and wit.

A breaking soul, that usually needs a woman to heal. And I hope that Jack would heal with Liz, and that they will make each other whole.

but he wants to do more pirates movies and he said himself that he really loves this character! he wouldnt let them kill or change him in any way!

That's stupid. Johnny doesn't want Jack to change in any way? Now where did you hear that, that cant' be right. Johnny loves his character I'm sure, but where would Jack be headed if he didn't change.

Would Johnny really want his creation to go back to a prostitue magnet, whore ridden, marierialistic maniac? In all of Depp's films he's had some sort of change in character, mostly it's just living in peace with the mistakes or the bad side of himself. Even his real life is like that, I don't think he'll let himself cause the distruction of a beautiful character because it's fun to play.

I have a big deal of respect for Johnny, I believe he knows that Jack needs closier and Johnny is not a child that would cling on to false hope and have Jack stay the same so he can stay in that role? No, that's not what Johnny wants, I'm sure.

If it is, then POTC would be a waste of time and money.

Originally posted by ladyofthesilent
Here are the relevant quotes from the leaked script (in italics), commented by myself as posted in my livejournal:

http://ladyofthesilent.livejournal.com/5003.html#cutid1

Back on the Pearl, Will hides and attacks Jack at night, fully intending to kill him. Of course, he questions him about his feelings for Elizabeth – but Jack is reluctant to answer. Note he steps back into the darkness when Will brings up the topic; obviously, he doesn’t want Will to see his face:

WILL
Could it be we have the same end game in mind?

JACK SPARROW
Could be! As always you hope to save the winsome Elizabeth, of
course.

WILL
As do you, when you’re not trying to save your skin.

Jack regards Will as their swords ring. He steps back into the
darkness.

Then, there’s a lot of sword-fighting (and the missing page 55), and finally, Jack’s great moment, considered by many as completely OOC:

Jack engages Will with a vengeance, parries a thrust into the hull
of the ship. Briefly has the advantage, but doesn’t use it. Instead
he turns and looks out to sea.

JACK SPARROW (CONTD)
I think I will stab the heart.

(Will is surprised)

I’ve been dead, and I don’t want to go back. To live forever, and
see everything there is to see - - maybe twice - - who wouldn’t want
that?

Will pulls his sword from the hull, joins jack looking out to sea.

JACK SPARROW (CONTD)
This life we have is cruel, Will, it mocks us we’re granted just a
taste, if we’re lucky, and then it’s ripped away. I’ve been on the
path to the Land of the Dead. I’ve been there and I’ve done that, I
don’t care to do it again.

Now what’s wrong with Jack? Of course, he’s afraid of dying – who wouldn’t understand that, considering the fact that his death was a rather violent one and his purgatory (a deserted island) not a very nice place to be? But why stab the heart? To become immortal, of course, but there’s more to it. Here, we have a very clear parallel to Davy Jones’s story which is highlighted by Jack saying “This life we have is cruel”. Davy says almost the same thing, something along the lines of “This life is cruel, why should the afterlife be better?”. Then, he refers to his (unrequited?) feelings for Elizabeth: “..we’re granted just a taste …”: Jack wanted to know what it tastes like and Elizabeth showed him when she kissed him – here you can see how much that kiss apparently meant to him – poor Jack!

The 56 pages end with more sword-fighting between Will and Jack, but we can safely assume that the subject of J/E will be followed further throughout the movie.

Yes, this scene is breaking my heart...it's beautiful...just like the Choke On It scene....it's a side of Jack we rarely see...the serious, loving Jack....OMG Poor Jack...and I agree with Kate...I hope this is foreshadowing what is to come....I hope Will stabs the heart because he finally realises what a good man Jack is...and How Jack has done everything to protect Will, when Will thought Jack was doublecrossing him...and I hope he does it because he realises where Elizabeth's heart Truly Lies......that would be a very bittersweet ending....I hope him and Jack can come to an understanding again...and it would bring the trilogy full circle....People say it has to end W/E to be a happy ending...I disagree....seeing this heartbroken Jack makes me realize more than ever that Jack needs Elizabeth in his life....oh, I think I'll go off and cry...why, why T and T...why have we done this to dear old Jack....OMG...as Johnny said...it takes his character to places he never thought possible....makes perfect sense....maybe it will make him more enduring to people to see this side of Jack....