EKK - Am worried for Jack (possible spoilers)

Originally posted by LovelyOne
I never said he would stab the heart.I dont think he will..but I have the feeling he wants to..according to the leaked draft script he wanted to stab it because he thinks Elizabth isn't returning his love..or something like that..ot he's hinting at that I cant remember lol

Originally posted by katelovespirate
S&S, i;m really hoping its the last thing you said--- they're letting rumors fly to gain publicity. its making me a bit crazy.

Johnny Depp apparantly has enough say in the production that he got to approve the script, so i seriously doubt he would approve a script that ended Jack as a tragic figure... right????

I agree I highly doubt. I dont think any actor will aprove a tragedy for a character whos a legend and mostly loved by fans like Captain Jack Sparrow. Johnny knows what he's doing.

I trust my Johnny 🙂

ahem...you mean Mina's Johnny 😛

Lady I do have my reasons to be worried for Jack..its the way he behaves in certain scenes of the leaked draft script

Originally posted by Swann&Sparrow
That's stupid. Johnny doesn't want Jack to change in any way? Now where did you hear that, that cant' be right. Johnny loves his character I'm sure, but where would Jack be headed if he didn't change.

Would Johnny really want his creation to go back to a prostitue magnet, whore ridden, marierialistic maniac? In all of Depp's films he's had some sort of change in character, mostly it's just living in peace with the mistakes or the bad side of himself. Even his real life is like that, I don't think he'll let himself cause the distruction of a beautiful character because it's fun to play.

I have a big deal of respect for Johnny, I believe he knows that Jack needs closier and Johnny is not a child that would cling on to false hope and have Jack stay the same so he can stay in that role? No, that's not what Johnny wants, I'm sure.

If it is, then POTC would be a waste of time and money.

Also Ladyofthesilent

I'm also worried for Jack because I remember in an interview T&T saying that Jack hates his honest side..

Davy Jones also did...because Calypso did not return his love...he tore his heart out in order to never feel love or compassion again..

I agree miss mira about Jakcs change in character. Cant we all change but still being ourselves?? Its possible, all of us change throught the years...if not then we will be like cave men with no progression.

Jack isnt going to become a sissy love struck boy doing this to Lizserenade or any other chessy stuff. Jack has alot of depth in his character and I would find it boring to have him surrounded with whores all the time...and being with his crew 24/7-ppl are gonna think hes gay 😖

Originally posted by LovelyOne
Also Ladyofthesilent

I'm also worried for Jack because I remember in an interview T&T saying that Jack hates his honest side..

Davy Jones also did...because Calypso did not return his love...he tore his heart out in order to never feel love or compassion again..

I wonder what I said you feel you need to defend yourself. Actually, I just posted the relevant quotes from the leaked script, along with the annoted comment that I found them interesting. If that offended you in any way, I am sorry 🙁

Apart from that, I am actually NOT worried - because, the story with Jack hating/losing his honest side has to be resolved. I really, really don't think that they'll leave it at that ...

People losing their human side is actually a quite common thing in fiction and especially fairy-tales. Take, for example, Peter Pan. Peter doesn't want to grow up, he wants to stay in Neverland forever. To make this possible, he had to lose all kinds of emotions that might make him grow up - the ability to love, for example. Peter really doesn't want to fall in love with Wendy because this love would have threatened his whole existence. His inability to love her makes Wendy finally turn to Captain Hook - she betrays Peter and there's a huge fight during which Peter almost dies. It isn't until Wendy kisses him that he feels he has the strength to defeat Hook and his evil pirate-crew.
Even though Peter remembers love through Wendy, he isn't prepared to let this influence his life. Wendy returns to reality and when she meets Peter several years later, he has forgotten all about her (and love)! This kind of ending is actually really sad and I don't think that this is what they have in mind fpor PotC.

Another fictional character who loses something important (his human form) is the prince in "Beauty and the Beast". Alas, there is a way to regain it: He has to learn to love another and this person has to return his love, even though he is a horrible beast now. It works and he becomes human again.

So if Jack loses his honest side, there has to be a way for him to regain it, I am sure about that. At "Keep to the Code", someone posted an AWE-picture with apparently 3 Jacks on it:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/QuetzalPhoenix/Johnny%20Depp%20Pics/oddnewpic.jpg

Two Jacks are clearly visible, the third one is the obviously dead body lying around.

So is that the big secret, the shocking thing happening in purgatory? At least it would explain why in Jack's case, the infamous "flash of green" is apparently not visible. So if we follow this thought a little further, things actually get really interesting:

Jack wanted to get rid of his honest side because honesty AND love never led him anywhere. But is love something only your honest side is able to experience? I don't think so and possibly that's where the complications arise. Jack obviously thinks that his love/compass-problems are over as soon as his honest side is gone and dead - I suppose he would be pretty shocked if that were not the case.
So maybe he sacrifices himself in the end for Liz and dies. But wait! Without the "flash of green" he can't possibly be alive and whole - and when you're not alive, you can't die. But an unselfish action (like dying for another person out of love) might cause his honest side to return and in the end, he is complete and alive, again.

There's absolutely no way the whole thing will remain unresolved ...

actually I'm not scared of Jack becoming a sappy fellow..cause Johnny said (and I quot) "Bugsbonny never changed and IT never stopped working..." and so even if he doesn't let them change jack for the better he will definitely NEVER let them change him for the worse...I totaly trust him and Jerry..

I trust T & T as well but they them selves aren't really emotionaly attached to the characters hence they don't care much about what happens to them..they just care to make an exciting and surprising plot..

The actors get attached to the characters..they'll look out for them..

Originally posted by ladyofthesilent
I wonder what I said you feel you need to defend yourself. Actually, I just posted the relevant quotes from the leaked script, along with the annoted comment that I found them interesting. If that offended you in any way, I am sorry 🙁

Apart from that, I am actually NOT worried - because, the story with Jack hating/losing his honest side has to be resolved. I really, really don't think that they'll leave it at that ...

People losing their human side is actually a quite common thing in fiction and especially fairy-tales. Take, for example, Peter Pan. Peter doesn't want to grow up, he wants to stay in Neverland forever. To make this possible, he had to lose all kinds of emotions that might make him grow up - the ability to love, for example. Peter really doesn't want to fall in love with Wendy because this love would have threatened his whole existence. His inability to love her makes Wendy finally turn to Captain Hook - she betrays Peter and there's a huge fight during which Peter almost dies. It isn't until Wendy kisses him that he feels he has the strength to defeat Hook and his evil pirate-crew.
Even though Peter remembers love through Wendy, he isn't prepared to let this influence his life. Wendy returns to reality and when she meets Peter several years later, he has forgotten all about her (and love)! This kind of ending is actually really sad and I don't think that this is what they have in mind fpor PotC.

Another fictional character who loses something important (his human form) is the prince in "Beauty and the Beast". Alas, there is a way to regain it: He has to learn to love another and this person has to return his love, even though he is a horrible beast now. It works and he becomes human again.

So if Jack loses his honest side, there has to be a way for him to regain it, I am sure about that. At "Keep to the Code", someone posted an AWE-picture with apparently 3 Jacks on it:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/QuetzalPhoenix/Johnny%20Depp%20Pics/oddnewpic.jpg

Two Jacks are clearly visible, the third one is the obviously dead body lying around.

So is that the big secret, the shocking thing happening in purgatory? At least it would explain why in Jack's case, the infamous "flash of green" is apparently not visible. So if we follow this thought a little further, things actually get really interesting:

Jack wanted to get rid of his honest side because honesty AND love never led him anywhere. But is love something only your honest side is able to experience? I don't think so and possibly that's where the complications arise. Jack obviously thinks that his love/compass-problems are over as soon as his honest side is gone and dead - I suppose he would be pretty shocked if that were not the case.
So maybe he sacrifices himself in the end for Liz and dies. But wait! Without the "flash of green" he can't possibly be alive and whole - and when you're not alive, you can't die. But an unselfish action (like dying for another person out of love) might cause his honest side to return and in the end, he is complete and alive, again.

There's absolutely no way the whole thing will remain unresolved ...

This is soo confusing. I don't get it. Technically his honest side was killed. ARGHHH. I don't get it. His honest is the one thats dead laying on the floor, His bad one apparently is the one alive, but which side of him is the one thats kneeling over?

Originally posted by Mistypirate
This is soo confusing. I don't get it. Technically his honest side was killed. ARGHHH. I don't get it. His honest is the one thats dead laying on the floor, His bad one apparently is the one alive, but which side of him is the one thats kneeling over?

Well, it was just a guess, maybe it's just Johnny Depp and one of his stunt-doubles, still, I think that motionless body lying there does look an awful lot like Jack, too. 🙁

That's what got me confused ... and all this talk about Jack losing his honest side in AWE ... but maybe what's depicted here is something entirely different.

that could be Jack's honest side lying dead..

killed by who though I wonder?.....

i dont think the one laying down is Jack... maybe elizabeth b/c I think the hands look to little.... but if i were going to guess who killed his honest side I'd think elizabeth betrayed the poor fellow again

Someone at KTC said that Jack is having Hallucinations. To read more go here http://forums.keeptothecode.com//viewtopic.php?t=7520&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1680

Liz definitely killed his honest side. I hope she feels horrible.

LOL ooo i think thats a good idea.. a hullucination... i wonder about what? 😖hifty:

u really think she did? or maybe it was his poppa

Originally posted by a-k-a-amber
LOL ooo i think thats a good idea.. a hullucination... i wonder about what? 😖hifty:

u really think she did? or maybe it was his poppa

LOL maybe he is high on PCP OR Ecstasy 😆

Yes I believe Liz killed his honest side, she killed that spiritual part of him. I hope she feels really horrible about it. She betrayed a person that she really cares for. She she better do something to bring that side of him back. I don't know, but I have this idea that she is going to try to die for Jack in order to bring this side of him back.

i know! i mean what do you think she could... oooo i had an epiphany (i love that word) what if she tries to tell him she luv's him but he wont listen he's mad so this is when she decidedes fine i will just sacrifice myself... or what ever that spoilers was then after she's done it JAck realises hes an idiot goes in after her and saves her.... or something along them lines?