Oh, man, how many times do I have to go through this...
Brief version: IMHO, in their first fight Thor beat Surfer under questionable circumstances. Ie, Surfer had had nearly all his power drained by the sonic shark in FF#72. Loki, at best, could only double what Surfer had at the time of the fight (otherwise, Surfer would not have been able to stalemate Loki).
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
Originally posted by The Weather God
Odin ftw! Two god blast by them both could give galactus a run for his money.
Negative good buddy!
Compare how Thanos responded to shots from Odin, compard to Galactus. He had to plead with G to listen to him (knowing the pain that was about to befell him) He kept getting up against Odin.
G is far above them. The thought of Thor giving G a run for his money really is stupid. I don't even think Regular thor could beat SS.
Originally posted by Mindship
Oh, man, how many times do I have to go through this...Brief version: IMHO, in their first fight Thor beat Surfer under questionable circumstances. Ie, Surfer had had nearly all his power drained by the sonic shark in FF#72. Loki, at best, could only double what Surfer had at the time of the fight (otherwise, Surfer would not have been able to stalemate Loki).
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
True enough, but Thor defeated him in the second issue of Blood and Thunder. Or was it the third?
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Yes and No. He was in the madness, but didn't posess the Power Gem yet. The madness itself doesn't do anything but, well, make you crazier than Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
I don't really agree with that. It removes all thought of consequense, and makes you truly believe that no matter when you must win. I mean think of SS with no conscience. He would do a lot of damage then.
SS being beaten by Warrior Madness Thor I always felt was legit...though had SS been truly as brutal as WM Thor, I wonder what the outcome might've been then.
Personally, in the overall sense, I have come to see them as equals, with different strengths, different weaknesses, and who beating whom would depend on the circumstances.
Originally posted by Mindship
SS being beaten by Warrior Madness Thor I always felt was legit...though had SS been truly as brutal as WM Thor, I wonder what the outcome might've been then.Personally, in the overall sense, I have come to see them as equals, with different strengths, different weaknesses, and who beating whom would depend on the circumstances.
Originally posted by Mindship
SS being beaten by Warrior Madness Thor I always felt was legit...though had SS been truly as brutal as WM Thor, I wonder what the outcome might've been then.Personally, in the overall sense, I have come to see them as equals, with different strengths, different weaknesses, and who beating whom would depend on the circumstances.
Fair enough, although Surfer did state that he was no longer holding back, and not even a mad god can defeat the Surfer.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Fair enough, although Surfer did state that he was no longer holding back, and not even a mad god can defeat the Surfer.
A premature statement, to be sure. But while SS might've let loose, it still was without the intent to kill, whereas Thor really was going all out unconditionally.
If you had a friend that was drunk and in a killing rage, you might have to use all your strength to subdue him, but you wouldn't be trying to kill him. It's not just a matter of how much power is used but also how one uses that power.
Originally posted by Mindship
A premature statement, to be sure. But while SS might've let loose, it still was without the intent to kill, whereas Thor really was going all out unconditionally.If you had a friend that was drunk and in a killing rage, you might have to use all your strength to subdue him, but you wouldn't be trying to kill him. It's not just a matter of how much power is used but also how one uses that power.
Just letting you know I was playing. However if your friend intent was to kill you, would you not do whatever was in you power to stop him? Just saying when your life is in danger(which Surfer was afraid of during the battle) you do what ever is in your power to stop them.
That was not Thor in Warrior Madness. Warrior Madness is incurable, as stated by Odin himself. Odin was able to cure Thor of the mental illness from Blood and Thunder.
Thor was just not holding back to the rage he was feeling. He pawned in succession, BRB (would have killed her but Sif saved him, then he almost killed Sif), then Surfer (who was saved by BRB when he regained consciousness). In the middle of this, after BRB and Surfer combined to stun Thor for a few seconds, rather than subdue and disable him they stopped to talk. Then Thor having time, one-shoted BRB with a lighting bolt and beat the crap out of the Surfer.
Then just as he was about to kill the Surfer (and it should be noted that Surfer stated he was not holding back) Warlock and the IW saved the Surfer.
Then Thor beat the crap out of the IW and took the PG from Drax.
Thor has beaten or drawn even with the Surfer everytime they have fought IIRC.
Surfer has stated that Thor is more powerful, and this is classic Thor who is always holding back.
As to JiM #161 (where Thor fought Galactus), and let me say that Galactus is going to take 9.9/10 against any version of Thor less powerful than King Thor, Galactus had just fed on several planets and was exploring, looking for Ego. Galactus was manhandling Ego to an extent when Thor knocked him on his ..... with a Mjollnir throw... Galactus stated that it was one of the most powerful forces he had ever felt. Then Thor was knocked unconscious by a planet busting attack. Then Thor charged a godforce blast, maybe half strength.
It hit Galactus and sent him running for his ship and Galactus stated that he would die from the attack if he did not retreat.
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As for Odin's power level.
Odin's highest end feats are:
his almost consumption of the entire 616 universe and his mindraping of the entire population. That was the Infinity Saga. That was only part of Odin's personality drawing upon Odin's power. Odin, once he realized what was going on, absorbed Infinity back into himself (this is not the same Cosmic entity known as Infinity).
then Odin had galaxy busting fight with Forsung the Enchanter....
finally way at then end of Thor v1 when it was renamed back to Journey into Mystery, Odin defeated Seth in a galaxy busting fight.
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Odin will defeat Galactus in a solid majority.
Thor will destroy the Surfer.
Odin and Thor ftw.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Just letting you know I was playing.
However if your friend intent was to kill you, would you not do whatever was in you power to stop him? Just saying when your life is in danger(which Surfer was afraid of during the battle) you do what ever is in your power to stop them.
Thor has beaten or drawn even with the Surfer everytime they have fought IIRC.
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I'm aware of them fighting only twice, and Thor won both rounds. But I have, on numerous occasions, stated my reservations about Fight #1 (ie, Surfer not being at the power level he used to be, prior to the sonic shark incident) and will continue to state them till the end of goddamn time. 😠 😉 [/B]
IIRC they have fought 3 or 4 times (5 if you count the two fights in B&T as separate).