Thor & Odin vs Silver Surfer & Galactus

Originally posted by Bentley
Errr... Thor beating Galactus, impressions of the Asgardians in the scan shown above. My argument is that Thor and Odin think that they can beat Galactus because they can. But only if Galactus is in one of his weakened forms. If we pick Galan with most of his powers, the general consensus is that they dont stand a chance.

My mention of Thanos was meant to illustrate how a character who is very powerful would rather face Odin who can use his full might at anytime, that cross the recurringly weak Galactus in a straight battle. Maybe I'm giving it more credit than needed to this fact, but it seems like there is something implied in those actions that could be explored to explain the match.

sure...

I kind of got confused when I posted the last comment, its hard to keep up with every explanation I try to give since some of my points are not evident at all times.

If you think that my argument about Thanos dont hold ANY grounds about this topic, feel free to dismiss it. I will need to do some reading before giving a solid proof about this topic otherwise.

In any case I'm pretty sure that Galactus is meant to be stronger than Odin, every description of his nature indicate that, most of the people here will agree, but I'm willing to look into this fact more carefully later on.

Originally posted by Tshern
The Dreaming Celestial. If I recall correctly, there was no tech involved. Feel free to correct me, though.

People, the Celestials apparently reside in Hyperspace. Those armored forms are just how they manifest. For instance Arishem was on Earth and Pangaea at the same time.

Defeating an armored form of a Celestial as Galactus has done, or even Sue Richards is not a gigantic feat.

Secondly, when Thor drove off Galactus in 161, Galactus had just consumed planets throughout several solar systems.

How do we know? Because that's how they found him, they tracked him through the wreckage of several solar systems.

Now Thor vs Galactus, Galactus should win 9.9/10. Thor wins if he hits his Godforce blast with a reasonable amount of charge. That is what almost killed Galactus.

As to Odin and Galactus, Lee and Kirby designed them to be about equals and all of their writings with the two confirm that. Also both were depicted as far more powerful and in Galactus' case with more respect under those two.

As to Thanos vs Odin, Odin was barely using any of his power and he was slapping Thanos around like a ragdoll. All Odin was doing was trying to drive Thanos, the Surfer , et al away from Asgard. Proof is that he just slapped Surfer away from Asgard rather than kill him. Just as Odin started to get angry that Thanos would not go away and Thanos could barely stand, AW saved Thanos by interceding before Odin lost it.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
huh?

Thor did defeat Galactus 😮

But, if you are talking about the time Thor cheapshotted Galactus twice, while Galactus was fighting Ego, then ya, Thor managed to drive him off.

Galactus wasn't even paying attention Thor, and after the first hit, Galactus threw Thor, and Thor thought he was dead, until Ego saved him.

Galactus was also weak, when this happened. Even Thor himself said it in a later book.
A little pis helps out too...

Originally posted by bigbran
No, Thor has never fought/beat Galactus one on one.

But, if you are talking about the time Thor cheapshotted Galactus twice, while Galactus was fighting Ego, then ya, Thor managed to drive him off.

Galactus wasn't even paying attention Thor, and after the first hit, Galactus threw Thor, and Thor thought he was dead, until Ego saved him.

Galactus was also weak, when this happened. Even Thor himself said it in a later book.
A little pis helps out too...

Looks like Thor defeates him in these scans...

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst3.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst4.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst5.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst6.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst7.jpg

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Looks like Thor defeates him in these scans...

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst3.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst4.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst5.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst6.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsGalactusfirst7.jpg

He was also weakened, so I don't see what your trying to get at here. Plus, a little bit of pis helps out too.

Originally posted by bigbran
I already explained everything.
Galactus wasn't even paying attention to him.
The only time Galactus acknowledged him was after the first shot.
Basically, Thor got two free shots on Galactus.

He was also weakened, so I don't see what your trying to get at here. Plus, a little bit of pis helps out too.

Except that, with Thor's final attack, he almost kills Galactus and sends running away.

If Thor's barely half strength Godforce blast almost killed him, what do you think Odin's would do, or a full strength blast from Thor?

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Except that, with Thor's final attack, he almost kills Galactus and sends running away.

If Thor's barely half strength Godforce blast almost killed him, what do you think Odin's would do, or a full strength blast from Thor?

When has Odin showed the ability to do a godblast?

Originally posted by bigbran
I already explained everything.
Galactus wasn't even paying attention to him.
The only time Galactus acknowledged him was after the first shot.
Basically, Thor got two free shots on Galactus.

He was also weakened, so I don't see what your trying to get at here. Plus, a little bit of pis helps out too.

It was obvious he fed on some planets, or they would have never found him in the first place. He wasn't anywhere near full strength, but he wasn't starving either.

Oh well, Those two free shots did wonders.

Yea PIS helps, but you can't deny that it happened.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
It was obvious he fed on some planets, or they would have never found him in the first place. He wasn't anywhere near full strength, but he wasn't starving either.

Oh well, Those two free shots did wonders.

Yea PIS helps, but you can't deny that it happened.

Ya, it did happen, Spider-Man beating Firelord also happened, so why not bring that up too?

Originally posted by bigbran
But during his fight with Ego, he got weakened, a bit.
Just a minute...
Found it!
Thor tells it bestest.

(click on pic, when it comes up)
Read the Galactus part.

Ya, it did happen, Spider-Man beating Firelord also happened, so why not bring that up too?

You do know that comic was retconned, don't you?

It's been occasionally said on message boards this was changed to Thor tapping into Odin's power, and a clip from Thor Annual #14(what you have there) is sometimes said to support this.

However, Thor is talking to the reader there, which alone makes it weakish it terms of continuity. Plus, even on the off chance that it was somehow meant as an alteration of events in 161, which I honestly doubt as there is no backup outside of this page at all to my knowledge, it would then be re retconned back by two later issues regardless.

First in Thor #412

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/ThorvsJuggernaut.jpg

And again in FFTWGCM #11:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Odinreference2Galactus.jpg

Originally posted by Soujaboy
You do know that comic was retconned, don't you?

It's been occasionally said on message boards this was changed to Thor tapping into Odin's power, and a clip from Thor Annual #14(what you have there) is sometimes said to support this.

However, Thor is talking to the reader there, which alone makes it weakish it terms of continuity. Plus, even on the off chance that it was somehow meant as an alteration of events in 161, which I honestly doubt as there is no backup outside of this page at all to my knowledge, it would then be re retconned back by two later issues regardless.

First in Thor #412

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/ThorvsJuggernaut.jpg

And again in FFTWGCM #11:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Odinreference2Galactus.jpg

Wait, that second scan has nothing to do with it.
In fact, all the second scan said was that he defeated Galactus. He didn't say that he was weakened is the only difference.

The first one, only says that he defeated Galactus.

Those scans are basically the same thing I said, except that "Galactus was weakened" was left out.
Don't see how relevent that is.

Originally posted by bigbran
I already said some pis had interference.

When has Odin showed the ability to do a godblast?

Of course Odin can do a Godforce blast. Thor himself calls it an Asgardian power, meaning that all Asgardians can do it. Given as well that most of the powers that Thor has, Odin gave him, this supports Odin being able to do this as well.

Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
Of course Odin can do a Godforce blast. Thor himself calls it an Asgardian power, meaning that all Asgardians can do it. Given as well that most of the powers that Thor has, Odin gave him, this supports Odin being able to do this as well.

Originally posted by bigbran
Umm, what Thor said, was the exact things that happened to Galactus. Galactus was fighting Ego, Galactus got weakened in his battle with Ego. Thor cheapshotted him.
Last, I heard, that when something happens, and someone explains how they, themselves have did it, it seems to hold some ground.
Also, where was this ret-conned?

Wait, that second scan has nothing to do with it.
In fact, all the second scan said was that he defeated Galactus. He didn't say that he was weakened is the only difference.

The first one, only says that he defeated Galactus.

Those scans are basically the same thing I said, except that "Galactus was weakened" was left out.
Don't see how relevent that is.

Your scan stated that Thor drew power from Odin to defeat Galactus. That comic was later retconned in those comics to state that Thor alone defeated Galactus. Thus your scan holds no weight seeing as how it's not cannon.

Originally posted by bigbran
SS has went at warp speed, so why don't we say that Galactus does that here too?
Galactus warp speedblitzes all of these guys.

Odin can warpspeed also. The old god transversed the entire length of the universe in moments.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Your scan stated that Thor drew power from Odin to defeat Galactus. That comic was later retconned in those comics to state that Thor alone defeated Galactus. Thus your scan holds no weight seeing as how it's not cannon.

I was pointing out the conditiong Galactus was in.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Odin can warpspeed also. The old god transversed the entire length of the universe in moments.

Originally posted by bigbran
I wasn't pointing out where he got the power from.

I was pointing out the conditiong Galactus was in.
Issue#?

I'll just give you the scans

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/OdinvsForsung1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/OdinvsForsung2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/OdinvsForsung3.jpg

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I'll just give you the scans

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/OdinvsForsung1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/OdinvsForsung2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/OdinvsForsung3.jpg

Also, there was no time given for how long it took.

Surfer however...