What most don't understand is cops are trained to unload thier guns. They don't want to get caught in midfire needing to reload, so they empty a clip when they decide to shoot ussualy. This results in wasted bullets, (which costs us the taxpayer) and alot of unnsecrey overkill. But a hesitant cop is a dead cop.
Personaly I'd train the cops to be better shots, not dimwitted stromtrooper who "make sure they're dead" by putting several rounds through them. That's just needlessly wasting!
i agree that more emphasis (far far more in the case of the nypd) should be placed on firearms training. it just seems from incidents like this that the strategy is to face whatever direction the criminal is at and fire...so like if he's west of you, fire west.
i know that nobody aims so well as in the movies, but ffs i never fired a handgun in my life and i bet that after an entire clip i'd be able to pull off at least one headshot
Re: Re: Re: Re: Angry crowd protests NYPD shooting
Originally posted by PVS
yeah, nice try at yet more lying and strawman bashing which has become so popular at kmc. now go back and quote where i said that the guy was a victim, or that the cops were not justified. i said clearly....CLEARLY that i dont know exactly what went down so i reserve any judgement. do you even read the posts you quote, or are you just having an imaginary argument with my screenname?where the hell are you getting this from? quote it or shut your lying mouth. this is pathetic behavior....lying like that.
funny, you just declared something as fact and then you go on to say you dont know. wow dude, people usually commit a hypocrisy like that a few pages apart, you managed to do it in 2 consecutive sentences 😖
again, my quote which you posted (which you cant read apparently):
who do you intend to fool by putting words in my mouth? why dont you try either debating properly or just remain silent, because right now you're just disrupting the topic with lies...
...hey you know what? just ignore that you're blatantly in the wrong, quote this entire post, read none of it, and parrot the same lie. yeah, that should work just fine
nice try. you come off like you are certain that the cops are guilty ,that there is no way around it. how can you be sure of that?
and when i step in and offer my opinion, you immediately shoot my idea down and come off like some kind of civil rights activist.
its like Ush said, in an unplanned gunfight, adrenaline flowing, its easier said than done for even the best marksman to hit the target every time.its called rapid fire for a reason, because there is little time to aim. they were fighting for their lives obviously, so to panic and just point and squeeze the trigger is understandable. even soldiers panic and spray rounds all over the place.
for you to claim the cops were so wrong is your right, so stay with it. but dont come down on me when i defend them.
btw, i did read the post. you claimed that i knew jackshit about what happened. by saying that, you are claiming to know exactly what happened.
the truth is that neither of us knows jackshit about what happened. all i know is that copos are not gonna unload on some guy lest their lives are in danger.
nice job with the insults, though, calling me a liar and telling me to shut my mouth. how was the third grade today?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
btw, i did read the post. you claimed that i knew jackshit about what happened. by saying that, you are claiming to know exactly what happened.
the truth is that neither of us knows jackshit about what happened. all i know is that copos are not gonna unload on some guy lest their lives are in danger.
nice job with the insults, though, calling me a liar and telling me to shut my mouth. how was the third grade today?
Originally posted by PVS
whats funny is how you'll probably go on to say that im irrationally and idiotically bias against the officers, yet keep in mind i pass no judgement since we really have no idea what went down. i just think their firearm skills are for shit, and i am factually correct, unless when they are compared to blind retards.but then you come in and declare that the cops were justified, knowing jackshit about what happened. congrats 👆
He called it before you even did it. You're so PREDICTABLE.
And illiterate too. Lemme point something out for you, and I'm defending PVS because you're ****ing ridiculous.
Look right here : yet keep in mind i pass no judgement since we really have no idea what went down.
You also ignored my post, which kinda refute your whole "they don't fire until their lives are in danger" thing.
Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
Oh, of course. Cops NEVER shoot people prematurely. They were completely justified in shooting Amadu Diallo 41 times too, even though he was pulling out a WALLET.Or shooting a guy on his porch 81 times for throwing a FLIP FLOP.
Or that guy who got shot and killed for holding a CELL PHONE.
You put way too much faith in cops.
Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
He called it before you even did it. You're so PREDICTABLE.And illiterate too. Lemme point something out for you, and I'm defending PVS because you're ****ing ridiculous.
Look right here : [b]yet keep in mind i pass no judgement since we really have no idea what went down.
You also ignored my post, which kinda refute your whole "they don't fire until their lives are in danger" thing. [/B]
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
but i can guarantee you that even if evidence comes to light that the cops WERE in fact fighting for theit lives, that the "victim" WAS indeed a threat, you guys will still not change your tune. you will both stick with your ridiculous theory that cps are all trigger happy madmen that abuse their power.
And how are you going to guarantee this? Do you know me? At all? No, not really.
I'm actually of the mind that if the cop is absolutely sure his life is in danger(I.E. he SEES a KNIFE or a GUN) then he can shoot all the **** he wants. Not if he sees a wallet, not if he sees a flip flop, not even if the suspect is reaching into his pocket.
Only after a weapon is pulled is the cop allowed to shoot a guy 30, 40, 50 times.
sandman, what i dont get is where you come off, stepping in, insulting me, calling me fu***ng ridiculous, when you arent even part of the argument PVS and myself unfortunately go into. you should let he and i settle it. you have no right to step in and try to be mediator. i guess you are one of those people who like to step in to an argument and make it worse.....ie: drama queen.
Drama queen? If that were true I'd be following everyone around and starting shit wouldn't I? No, this is the first time I even talked to you. Your incompetence was smacking me in my face.
How do you read this: yet keep in mind i pass no judgement since we really have no idea what went down. and then say this: you are claiming to know exactly what happened. It makes no sense. None. At all. No person who reads over a third grade level would make this mistake, and then ontop of that try to make PVS look like the idiot.
Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
And how are you going to guarantee this? Do you know me? At all? No, not really.I'm actually of the mind that if the cop is absolutely sure his life is in danger(I.E. he SEES a KNIFE or a GUN) then he can shoot all the **** he wants. Not if he sees a wallet, not if he sees a flip flop, not even if the suspect is reaching into his pocket.
Only after a weapon is pulled is the cop allowed to shoot a guy 30, 40, 50 times.
Drama queen? If that were true I'd be following everyone around and starting shit wouldn't I? No, this is the first time I even talked to you. Your incompetence was smacking me in my face.
How do you read this: [b]yet keep in mind i pass no judgement since we really have no idea what went down.
and then say this: you are claiming to know exactly what happened. It makes no sense. None. At all. No person who reads over a third grade level would make this mistake, and then ontop of that try to make PVS look like the idiot. [/B]
i can just feel a "if you dont like the GDF then GTFO" post coming on.
ps: you are right, i dont even know you, and now i have no desire to. have a nice day.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[B]i never tried to make anyone look like an idiot. if i came off that way, then i already apologized to him for it. he can accept it or not, hold a grudge or not. its up to him.
now you are caling me incompetent. nice. so i am guessing that you have never misread a post, that every reply you have made here is perfect. must be nice to be infallible.
let me ask you this. lets say you and another member are going at it here, for whatever reason. its a stupid argument that should have never occured. then, in the heat of the moment, he or she insukts you, then you insult him back. things escalate. are you gonna try and resolve the situation yourself, or are you gonna wait and hope a knight in shining armor comes to your rescue? i dont know PVS that well, but i have seen him debate intelligently here and defend his opinions and posts more than once. he is a big boy who does not need you as a wingman. i certainly do not rely on others to save me when in an argument. (and i might add, it only happens here in the GDF, where you guys take things way too seriously).....
You said I was infallible, not me. I'll take it.
Someone stepping into the conversation has happened to me before, and if I'm right, it's annoying as ****, and if I'm in the wrong, then I admit it, feel like a tool for a few minutes, and move on.
It took me stepping in to make you realize that you misread PVS' post. You would not have believed a word he said and you only would have kept arguing with him. It happens all the time. I'm not trying to piss you off, it was just ridiculous that you refused to see his point when it was glaringly obvious.
It happens way too often in here. "I said this." "No. stfu I'm right." "No." "yes" 'nuh-uh' 'yuh-huh' 'blablablaa rarara yada yada....'
It's annoying. I'm glad it's done.
i can just feel a "if you dont like the GDF then GTFO" post coming on.
You're going to be waiting a while if you're expecting one of those from me.
ps: you are right, i dont even know you, and now i have no desire to. have a nice day.
If I cared, I'd have spoken to you once in the nigh 3 years I've posted here.
Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
You said I was infallible, not me. I'll take it.Someone stepping into the conversation has happened to me before, and if I'm right, it's annoying as ****, and if I'm in the wrong, then I admit it, feel like a tool for a few minutes, and move on.
It took me stepping in to make you realize that you misread PVS' post. You would not have believed a word he said and you only would have kept arguing with him. It happens all the time. I'm not trying to piss you off, it was just ridiculous that you refused to see his point when it was glaringly obvious.
It happens way too often in here. "I said this." "No. stfu I'm right." "No." "yes" 'nuh-uh' 'yuh-huh' 'blablablaa rarara yada yada....'
It's annoying. I'm glad it's done.
You're going to be waiting a while if you're expecting one of those from me.
If I cared, I'd have spoken to you once in the nigh 3 years I've posted here.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
what i dont get is why people here get so pissed off when there is even the slightest misunderstanding. even when someone posts a rebuttal or accepts blame, it goes on and on and on and on and on. and people like you are usually in the thick of it.
Nah, you admitted you misread it, so I'm done. It's cool.
coolio.
you know, this thread reminds me of something i heard about years ago. a highway patrolman sees a motorist drinking and driving. he pulls them over, and, before he can exit his squad car, the driver gets out and advances on the patrolman. one thing led to another, and the patrolman ended up unloading his clip in the motorist, killing him. well the cop was white and the motorist was black. all the witnesses were black. there was a broken beer bottle in the motorists hand, and the witnesses said that the bottle broke when the victim fell, after the cop shot him. when they reviewed the dashcamera in the squad car, it showed the cop, weapon drawn, giving the suspect several verbal warnings to get on the ground. the suspect then smashed the bottle on the pavement, picked up the neck end, and wielded it as a weapon. the cop still gave him several chances to surrended, even dodging several drunken swipes. finally, in the end, the suspect had to be put down.
this shows how much we can trust witnesses. unless we are there to witness it ourselves, we dont really know what happened. in the NY city incident, for all we know, the guy could have had a beanie baby in his pocket.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
i'll bet you'll take it.
as far as "you pointing out my misreading his post", i am at work now. its kinda easy to get sidetracked and forget stuff. every once in a while i will misread a post and realize that it was while i am at work. if i was at home, with nothing to do, then i obviuosly would make less mistakes.
you just spoke to me. you went out of your way to speak to me. so you seem to care a little.
what i dont get is why people here get so pissed off when there is even the slightest misunderstanding. even when someone posts a rebuttal or accepts blame, it goes on and on and on and on and on. and people like you are usually in the thick of it.
what annoys the shit out of me is NOT when someone misreads. what annoys the shit out of me is when i point out that they misread it and they refuse to acknowledge it or even backtrack to see for themselves...and then to annoy me more, when after 2 acts of ignoring that i pointed it out, i have to do the ridiculous act of quoting my own post, and they STILL go on to ignore it.
then you go on like i should just accept it and screw me. yeah, a bigger man would simply say "whoops" or "my bad" or "sorry" but i guess you're the only one here with a job, so its ok.
whatever, i dont care. just the next time someone tells you you've misread, maybe you should have a shred of respect enough to check and see. if not, dont expect a shred of respect in return
Originally posted by PVS
what annoys the shit out of me is NOT when someone misreads. what annoys the shit out of me is when i point out that they misread it and they refuse to acknowledge it or even backtrack to see for themselves...and then to annoy me more, when after 2 acts of ignoring that i pointed it out, i have to do the ridiculous act of quoting my own post, and they STILL go on to ignore it.then you go on like i should just accept it and screw me. yeah, a bigger man would simply say "whoops" or "my bad" or "sorry" but i guess you're the only one here with a job, so its ok.
whatever, i dont care. just the next time someone tells you you've misread, maybe you should have a shred of respect enough to check and see. if not, dont expect a shred of respect in return
Originally posted by PVS
imagine reading this sentence not knowing the context of it. could very well give someone a permanent migrane and profuse bleeding from the ears and eyes.