Wolvenom versus Spider-Goblin

Originally posted by Soljer
It doesn't work that way. As far as we've seen, the Venom symbiote is NOT a multiplier, but rather, sets the status quo.

Otherwise, Gargan would be class 100+ now.

Apply a symbiote to Spiderman, and what do you get? Spiderman with unlimited webbing, and superior durability.

Apply it to Joe Blow, and you get a power house.

Also, Venom's strength has been shown to be vastly superior to class 11 already, biographies don't count for shit.

Then what IS the Venom symbiotes strength ?

Originally posted by grey fox
Then what IS the Venom symbiotes strength ?

I'll agree with you that it varies, but on panel feats indicate that it could be anywhere from class 20ish (just superior to Spiderman) all the way to class 40-50ish.

He's a steady class 35 with Brock.

With Gargan he's not nearly as strong or quick as Spidey.

Originally posted by grey fox
Eddie can bench (around 400 lbs i think ? ) So to get 11-15 tons (His strength varies*) so it times Eddies strength 75 times. Wolvie can bench 800 lbs so by going through the same process Wolverine can now lift....

30 tons.

M'kay. Spidey is already class 15-20 , goblin formula caused Norman to become a class 11 . Ergo it's Spidey is now a class 31 (Note , I'm using the highest variation of both strength stats).

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Why multiply for the Venom symbiote and only add for the Goblin formula?

Originally posted by Scoobless
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Why multiply for the Venom symbiote and only add for the Goblin formula?

Because the Goblin formula turned Norman from a normal human to a 11 tonner. Then it stopped. I assumed that it could simply be a strength plus , whereas the symbiote takes Brock and increases his strength , in the same way it amped Spideys.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
With Gargan he's not nearly as strong or quick as Spidey.

Eh..? How so? Scorpion-Venom took a truck to chest, without being knocked over (AFAICR)

And for the speed departement.

Spoiler:
Didn't he actually kill Spiderman on the pages of Beyond recently

i like how you did that highlyight thing, pretty cool

The venom symbiote is a multiplyer to a degree, it amps your strength depending on how much anger you have and experience, Brock had alot of anger and gained plenty of experience, Spider-man on the other hand had very little anger so he didnt get a strength boost.

Also it gives a base level of at least class 10 (what it got from spidey) and increases depending on how messed up the host is.

Man imagine the hulk with the Venom symbiote.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Eh..? How so? Scorpion-Venom took a truck to chest, without being knocked over (AFAICR)

And for the speed departement.

Spoiler:
Didn't he actually kill Spiderman on the pages of Beyond recently

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Brock Venom at his prime propably was around 50 tons. Now, imagine how powerful Wolverine would became. How much his low level superhuman strenght would grow.

He can lift 800lbs , Brock was as good as an Olympic athlete.

While i'm not sure of their drop bar it can't be any higher then my guess.

Originally posted by masterbruce
basically, if the original Venom could take gunfire like nothing, this Wolvenom can probably easily shrug off rockets and bombs without blinking.

I disagree.

I think his durability will remain the same (Venom's). Perhaps a faster healing factor, yes, but the same durability that Venom possesses (as they're two different things).

Originally posted by Jyppe
Eh..? How so? Scorpion-Venom took a truck to chest, without being knocked over (AFAICR)

Originally posted by Sam Z
Um... Eddie Venom tore apart a speeding truck that was going to hit him. Besides he destroyed like dozen sonic-tanks with his fists only. Scorpion Venom was koed with a wall...

I remember the Sonic tank feat, but I don't remember that speeding truck part. Sounds cool, when did it happen and do you have scans? Also, Brock Venom was weakened a lot by a fall from a rooft And wasn't it like a whole building that was dropped on Scorpion?

Meh, either way. Scorpion venom sucks. First he takes a damn truck to chest without flinching and next thing he gets owned by Spiderman's punches. Besides, I don't like his agenda. Real Venom hardly ever hurt "innocent" people.
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Meh, Wolverine fans have convinced me that Wolverine has a low level superhuman strenght.

Originally posted by Jyppe
I remember the Sonic tank feat, but I don't remember that speeding truck part. Sounds cool, when did it happen and do you have scans? Also, Brock Venom was weakened a lot by a fall from a rooft And wasn't it like a whole building that was dropped on Scorpion?

Meh, either way. Scorpion venom sucks. First he takes a damn truck to chest without flinching and next thing he gets owned by Spiderman's punches. Besides, I don't like his agenda. Real Venom hardly ever hurt "innocent" people.

Here's the scan. (originally posted by Juggdernaut66666)

And i don't think it was a whole building, only one wall of the building, besides even Spider-man survived once when a whole building fell on him and kept fighting, so it's still a pretty low showing. And you're right, Scorpion-Venom sucks. I hope it won't last...

Originally posted by masterbruce
Symbiote is beneficial to your body. ie if you take steroids to enhance yourself, your body doesn't try to eliminate the steroids.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Immune system only fights harmful substances, ie viruses and bacteria

Originally posted by Jyppe
Eh..? How so? Scorpion-Venom took a truck to chest, without being knocked over (AFAICR)

And for the speed departement.

Spoiler:
Didn't he actually kill Spiderman on the pages of Beyond recently

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Brock Venom at his prime propably was around 50 tons. Now, imagine how powerful Wolverine would became. How much his low level superhuman strenght would grow.

Beyond isn't Canon though. Everyone's already dead.

Also, Venom's taken worse punishment, and it was Angelo who took the truck to the chest. Even so, that's a durability feat, not a strength feat.