Things that bring about some doubt

Originally posted by Nellinator
Well, you see, this argument doesn't work because God does save. However, certain people are so corrupt that they will not be saved. When God sees this corruption spreading he stamps it out. Killing was very justified at Sodom and Gomorrah. Not one good person was to be found in the cities, save Lot (and Lot wasn't all that good himself). Any other way would be infringing upon free will, something God does not do unless asked. However, Jesus is the new covenant, which is why I believe he no longer does this, kind of like the rainbow being the covenant of never destroying all mankind again.

There was a difference. His religion has hatred. I can't say the same for mine.

What was his religion and how is it different from yours?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Your omnipotent god seems to have limited options.

Killing others simply because you don't agree with the way they live is not justified.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What was his religion and how is it different from yours?

Originally posted by Nellinator
According to you. But God is the justification for all things and therefore, whatever he does is justified.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Omnipotent as in he knows all possible outcomes without infringing upon free will.

Originally posted by Nellinator
I tend to believe that he chose the one that ended up being best.

Originally posted by Regret
I have read numerous attacks at belief, they tend to attack the doctrines or beliefs one has in deity or a specific religion. I, as nearly all men of faith do, have doubts from time to time. When doubts arise for me, they arise in response to poor human behavior. I have doubts from time to time as to the idea that if there is a God, why doesn't he strike down various people when their behaviors are beyond reprehensible. Why was the woman that microwaved her baby not struck down? Why are parents that abuse their children not struck down? Why are those that commit crimes like these not struck down? The scene in the Bible that has Christ stating he who is without sin should cast the first stone comes to mind, but I think in these situations it should not be looked at in this manner. I realize this conflicts with the "love everyone" type concepts in my system of beliefs, but I am not perfect and have difficulty always loving everyone.

Enough of my soap box in this post. My point is, when people attack religion why do they attack insignificant issues, such as evidence for the validity of the religion, when such a broad and easily attacked aspect exists? Regardless of claims that justify God not striking these people down, it does seem wrong to let them continue after acts such as these.

Cause that is an idiotic point? I have better reasons for not believing that a God exists than that.

It could just be a God that wants us to have free will.
Or a God that doesn't care.
Or even an evil God that likes to screw with our minds.
The God Christians worship is actually the devil.

All those are possibilities that would explain it, reasonable ones. It's just not a strong argument for doubting God.

Originally posted by Nellinator
According to you. But God is the justification for all things and therefore, whatever he does is justified. Omnipotent as in he knows all possible outcomes without infringing upon free will. I tend to believe that he chose the one that ended up being best.

On what basis ?

Torture, murder, and control are somehow okay if God enacts those evils, but when we enact those evils it becomes wrong ?

Bullshit logic...

I would rather have dinner with the devil, then be tortured by God.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
On what basis ?

Torture, murder, and control are somehow okay if God enacts those evils, but when we enact those evils it becomes wrong ?

Bullshit logic...

I would rather have dinner with the devil, then be tortured by God.

Originally posted by Nellinator
God does not torture.

Hell

God made it. Nice Try 👇

Originally posted by Nellinator
Murder is quite different than the justice of God.

MASS MURDER then ?

1) First Born sons of Egypt, he killed innocent young boys
2) Sodom and Gomorrha- nuff said
3) 99 % of the Human Population during the Great flood

Originally posted by Nellinator
Only God knows when sin is truly warranting death and what justice is deserving because only he can truly see the heart.

The Heart is an organ filled with blood, veins and arteries. Emotions and desires exist in the Brain.

Nice Try 👇

A worldwide flood would be far more than 99%. + animals. + plantlife. + microorganisms.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
A worldwide flood would be far more than 99%. + animals. + plantlife. + microorganisms.

Well, consider that it was only Noah and his family, we can safely say almost 100 percent of the human populace was wiped out by God...

Nice Job God 👆

You genocidal *******...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]Hell

God made it. Nice Try 👇

MASS MURDER then ?

1) First Born sons of Egypt, he killed innocent young boys
2) Sodom and Gomorrha- nuff said
3) 99 % of the Human Population during the Great flood

The Heart is an organ filled with blood, veins and arteries. Emotions and desires exist in the Brain.

Nice Try 👇 [/B]

Sodom and Gomorrha - deserved (good people were spared)
Flood - deserved (good people were spared)
I sometimes struggle with the children of Egypt. I really don't have a good explanation for it. Sometimes I wonder though because I believe that all children go to heaven and that maybe it wasn't that bad if they were just called to paradise... I really don't know.

You know what I meant.

Originally posted by Nellinator
I already told you my view on hell. You even admitted that it was interesting and quite different than what you thought. It does not involve torture.

Sodom and Gomorrha - deserved (good people were spared)
Flood - deserved (good people were spared)
I sometimes struggle with the children of Egypt. I really don't have a good explanation for it. Sometimes I wonder though because I believe that all children go to heaven and that maybe it wasn't that bad if they were just called to paradise... I really don't know.

You know what I meant.

1) Your view on Hell is not the same as the literal passages the Bible describes. The Bible clearly states it is a place of eternal and unbearable suffering...

When i judge or critisize the concept of Biblical God, i do it based on the Bible's writings, not on your personal intepretation.

2) Sodom and Gomorrha....NO ONE deserves ahnialation. How do you KNOW good people were spared?

3) Flood...so EVERYONE except Noah and his family deserved to be drowned, including animals ? All the men, women, AND CHILDREN deserved to be executed ? Nice try, that's a crock of shit...

4) Sons of Egypt got you stumped ? God killed them....no justification for it. God is a hypocrit, because he broke his OWN commandment, and did it with SUCH STYLE......

5) You don't know, because there's NOTHING to know...it's all myth. After 18 years of being a studeous Christian, I can pretty much say that with confidense.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) Your view on Hell is not the same as the literal passages the Bible describes. The Bible clearly states it is a place of eternal and unbearable suffering...

When i judge or critisize the concept of Biblical God, i do it based on the Bible's writings, not on your personal intepretation.

2) Sodom and Gomorrha....NO ONE deserves ahnialation. How do you KNOW good people were spared?

3) Flood...so EVERYONE except Noah and his family deserved to be drowned, including animals ? All the men, women, AND CHILDREN deserved to be executed ? Nice try, that's a crock of shit...

4) Sons of Egypt got you stumped ? God killed them....no justification for it. God is a hypocrit, because he broke his OWN commandment, and did it with SUCH STYLE......

5) You don't know, because there's NOTHING to know...it's all myth. After 18 years of being a studeous Christian, I can pretty much say that with confidense.

2) I know that because the Lord said he would not destroy Sodom and Gomorrha for the sake of ten righteous men. Lot was the only righteous person found within the city so he was spared. The people in the city deserved annihilation because of their evil deeds.

3) Yes, everyone. The more I think about it, the more I think that children being killed only results in paradise for them.

4) Actually, not stumped. There was justification, to seperate the righteous from the non-believers for all to see. The commandents were not made so he didn't break anything.

5) But you can't say confidence... hehe I'm a grammar Nazi.

Originally posted by Nellinator
1) I used literal Biblical interpretations. Read it again please and you might see that.

2) I know that because the Lord said he would not destroy Sodom and Gomorrha for the sake of ten righteous men. Lot was the only righteous person found within the city so he was spared. The people in the city deserved annihilation because of their evil deeds.

3) Yes, everyone. The more I think about it, the more I think that children being killed only results in paradise for them.

4) Actually, not stumped. There was justification, to seperate the righteous from the non-believers for all to see. The commandents were not made so he didn't break anything.

5) But you can't say confidence... hehe I'm a grammar Nazi.

Really, the Bible would say otherwise.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Really, the Bible would say otherwise.

so killing babies is okay, as long as they go to Heaven...

So what's wrong with Abortion then ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
so killing babies is okay, as long as they go to Heaven...

So what's wrong with Abortion then ?

In the context of this matter abortion would be wrong because of one of the three things left to use: faith, hope, and love.
I am talking about hope. Hope is a very inclusive word and includes hope for heaven and also for future generations.

Originally posted by Nellinator
I don't recommend it, only God can determine it as the best possible solution. Also, the pain caused is not justified by us. Only God knows when the result is worth the pain.

So God determines that those who do not beleive in Christ deserve eternal torment ?

Originally posted by Nellinator In the context of this matter abortion would be wrong because of one of the three things left to use: faith, hope, and love.
I am talking about hope. Hope is a very inclusive word and includes hope for heaven and also for future generations. [/B]

So babies who are aborted to straight to Hell ? 🤨

Originally posted by Nellinator
I already told you my view on hell. You even admitted that it was interesting and quite different than what you thought. It does not involve torture.

Sodom and Gomorrha - deserved (good people were spared)
Flood - deserved (good people were spared)
I sometimes struggle with the children of Egypt. I really don't have a good explanation for it. Sometimes I wonder though because I believe that all children go to heaven and that maybe it wasn't that bad if they were just called to paradise... I really don't know.

You know what I meant.

Again, you're kidding, right? Lets just concentrate on the flood.

You're telling me that EVERY animal except for two on the planet deserved to drown?

You're telling me that EVERY human except for Noah's family on the planet deserved to drown?

And then you "stuggle" with children? That was a poor rationalization. If murder was a free ticket to heaven, why doesn't God just murder everyone now and be done with it?

Maybe you could just accept the reliable explination that the bible is fictional and that it was written by people trying to create theocracy.

Originally posted by Alliance
Again, you're kidding, right? Lets just concentrate on the flood.

You're telling me that EVERY animal except for two on the planet deserved to drown?

You're telling me that EVERY human except for Noah's family on the planet deserved to drown?

And then you "stuggle" with children? That was a poor rationalization. If murder was a free ticket to heaven, why doesn't God just murder everyone now and be done with it?

Maybe you could just accept the reliable explination that the bible is fictional and that it was written by people trying to create theocracy.

Yes. That is why only Noah's was saved. I thought that was pretty obvious.

Read what I said. Children that die go to heaven. However, God gives us as much choice as possible so murdering everyone wouldn't really do much for him.

Or not.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Animals don't have souls so its not really a problem.

Yes. That is why only Noah's was saved. I thought that was pretty obvious.

Read what I said. Children that die go to heaven. However, God gives us as much choice as possible so murdering everyone wouldn't really do much for him.

Or not.

An entire planet and only one family was "good"? Forgive me if I scoff.

All children that die go to heaven? Even children that don't believe in god and Jesus? Buddhist children go to Christian heaven? The Prussian Blue twins are going to Christian heaven?