Things that bring about some doubt

Originally posted by Nellinator
Animals don't have souls so its not really a problem.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Yes. That is why only Noah's was saved. I thought that was pretty obvious.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Read what I said. Children that die go to heaven. However, God gives us as much choice as possible so murdering everyone wouldn't really do much for him.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Or not.

Originally posted by Alliance
Really, I find that difficult to support. God didn't love his creation. Or man was the master of the earth? Why should we be good stewards if even God doesn't care?

"Obvious" huh? This is laughable. Even you could finde more an a family of people that you thought were good. Allegory didn't cross your mind?

Thats why we send the children into Jeruselem to free it from the dirty Muslims. Oh wait, they were jsut sold into slavery.

Yeah, sometimes logic just doesn't appeal does it?

Allegory is a possibility I strongly consider in the story of Noah, however, we seemed to be discussing the literal story, so that is where I went.

Where was your logic? It was simply pointed statements of bias and contempt. Nice try though.

God killed life.

Why should we bother with the literal story if allegory is more factial, more logical, and preserves the likely intended consequences of the fable?

I'd sure love to provide it. I don't think you were intending illogical statements when you made them. Belief in a statement you make is implied unless you otherwise specify. Contemptuous. Hah. I have a problem with you and your logic, not your faith as a whole. I doubt you'd extend the same courtesy to atheism. You don't extend it to homosexuals. I wonder who else is cut out of your cirlce?

I was referring, of course, to your contempt towards me. My logic is fine because yours has never proved superior.

The fact that I have respectable and nonconfrontational relationships with every homosexual I have met face to face would show that I actually do extend courtesy of allowing others to make their own choices without my interference. In addition to that, the vast majority of my friends are not Christian so...

Originally posted by Nellinator
I was referring, of course, to your contempt towards me. My logic is fine because yours has never proved superior.

Oh really? I can same the same for you, but does that make me right? Because I usually assume people are nice and sane until they do something mean or crazy.

And you've certainly gotten your logic shot down on arguements like "praying can make you turn straight"

Originally posted by Nellinator
The fact that I have respectable and nonconfrontational relationships with every homosexual I have met face to face would show that I actually do extend courtesy of allowing others to make their own choices without my interference. In addition to that, the vast majority of my friends are not Christian so...

Really? I would not expec tthe first part at all. Do you tell them to go pray to become straight?

The vast majority of my friends aren't athiest....so?

Not sure exactly what you are talking about there.

Not really. It is possible. However, there are many factors involved in prayers not being answered. Many ex-gays I know have told me prayer was integral in their sexual reorientation.

Nope. Generally, we don't discuss it unless they bring it up. And even then I have never told them to try and change.

The fact that many of my friends are atheist should tell you that I'm not contemptuous towards atheism, or else I probably wouldn't be friends with them.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Animals don't have souls so its not really a problem.

Unjustified murder of animals is not really a problem?

Oh god....this is getting really ugly now. Your God is a god i refuse to worship.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Yes. That is why only Noah's was saved. I thought that was pretty obvious.

So out of millions of people, only one family was "good". Sounds more like a myth, and less like a reality.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Read what I said. Children that die go to heaven. However, God gives us as much choice as possible so murdering everyone wouldn't really do much for him.

So then Abortion is okay since we are sending children RIGHT back to Heaven....

Originally posted by Nellinator
Or not.

I think you need to re evaluate your religion, no offense Nell. I like you and all, but the logic on your part is getting more and more self contradicting.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Not really. It is possible. However, there are many factors involved in prayers not being answered. Many ex-gays I know have told me prayer was integral in their sexual reorientation.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Nope. Generally, we don't discuss it unless they bring it up. And even then I have never told them to try and change.

Originally posted by Nellinator
The fact that many of my friends are atheist should tell you that I'm not contemptuous towards atheism, or else I probably wouldn't be friends with them.

Not necessarily, it just means that there are more aspects to your defintion of friendship than faith. Im friends with a homophobe and I hate him for that, but hes still my friend because I think he has other redeeming qualities.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Unjustified murder of animals is not really a problem?
Oh god....this is getting really ugly now. Your God is a god i refuse to worship.

So out of millions of people, only one family was "good". Sounds more like a myth, and less like a reality.

So then Abortion is okay since we are sending children RIGHT back to Heaven....

I think you need to re evaluate your religion, no offense Nell. I like you and all, but the logic on your part is getting more and more self contradicting.

It would seem that way. If its true then the flood was justified. If its metaphorical then proves a point and you don't need to sweat.

Not really. I'm not contradicting myself. Plus I think you've probably felt that way since day one 😉

I agree that you are indeed, contradictiong yourself.

If it was metaphorical, why did you spend all this time arguing as if it was not.

Why are you still arguing worthless points that evaporate with ametaphorical perspective (like all the animals dying). Another contradiction.

Originally posted by Alliance
Yeah right. Ex-ex-gays are testimony against that. There is no such thing as an "ex-gay." Besides this whole argumetn is stupid, as striaght-gay is a dichotomy that in no way represents bisexuality, which would likely represent your "saved gays."

Maybe you should express your opionons and see how they take to it. You might have a few less friends.

Not necessarily, it just means that there are more aspects to your defintion of friendship than faith. Im friends with a homophobe and I hate him for that, but hes still my friend because I think he has other redeeming qualities.

They know because it does occasionally come up. However, I'm not in their face about it. Why? I tell them how I feel and let them make their own decisions. There are no problems.

It should tell you that I am willing to accept them though. I'm not in contempt of everything they believe and can discuss their beliefs on either side of the argument. Since your question was whether or not I can extend the courtesy of respect, I have have answered it as yes.

Originally posted by Nellinator
I have feeling God would spare the animals the pain of death because they weren't the problem, mankind was. God spared all the animal species, showing that he wasn't out to get the animals.

1) You do NOT know that....the Bible does NOT clarify whether or not God spared the animals pain or suffering. It matters not. It's CLEAR that he STILL KILLED THEM

2) It doesn't matter if he "wasn't out to get the animals". HE STILL GOT THEM, and he killed millions of human beings as well.

3) You are DOING IT AGAIN....you are making BIBLICAL ASSUMPTIONS...projecting your own morality and perception of God onto the Bible, which DOES NOT support your version of God Or Hell....

Originally posted by Nellinator
It would seem that way. If its true then the flood was justified. If its metaphorical then proves a point and you don't need to sweat.

1)Mass Murder is never justifiable.

2) If that's metaphorical, then how do we know what's true and what's not ? How do we know what parts of the Bible are fact and fiction ?

Originally posted by Nellinator
Not really. I'm not contradicting myself. Plus I think you've probably felt that way since day one 😉

Yes you are. ✅

With every post you contradict yourself:

1) you claim to want to promote LOVE, yet you think it was okay that millions of people were murdered, and that innocent animals were wiped out...

2) You still see it as okay that God killed innocent baby boys in Egypt, even though if I or Alliance were to have killed male infants, you'd be on our asses like Uma from Kill Bill

3) You claim that the Bible is your basis of your Faith and that you remain true to its literal teachings, but then you VOLUNTARILY and intentionally project your own perceptions and morality onto the Bible, and try to pass it off as Biblical when the Bible DOES NOT support your personal intepretations.

1a) Yes, but do you really think animals were important in a situation like the corrupted earth before the flood?
2a) See 1a and 1b.
3a) My explanation of Hell was biblical. Show me otherwise if you can. I most of what I say with scripture, but I don't because I know you don't care for it. Would you like me to start doing that? I doubt it.

1b) God can justify the taking of life. Why? Because He created it. God knows what is the best possible scenario. God already knows everyone's eternal fate, so His taking of life is always inconsequential.
2b) Personally, I don't worry too much. I trust that God has made all information pertinent to our salvation abundantly clear.

1c) Millions of people that God knew needed to die. Obviously God knew that no good could come of their continued existance. (This sounds harsher than I intended or thinking it really is)
2c) That's because you do not know the future or the consequences of your actions like God does.
3c) Actually I don't claim to stick to literal teachings. Why? Because God never intended it that way. Many things are metaphors in the Bible, however, many are blatantly literal. It stick to these literal teachings, however, when metaphor arises, I recognize the need for interpretation. However, I know that the interpretation must be consistent with the literal parts of the Bible.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Ex-gays do not exist? Really, thats weird because I know some. They were once exclusively homosexual and now they are not. Some are married to women and very happy.

You miss my point. They are bisexuals who supress their homosexual urges because they are also attracted to women. Most bisexuals I know vary and move between homosexuality and heterosexuality. However, the urge never disappears.

Marriage is all to often used as a cover.

Ex-gays are either content bisexuals or ex-ex-gays in the making. Prayer does not pysically help either class.

Not necessarily true.

Thanks for the detail.

They are not all bisexuals suppress their urges.

Marriage is sometimes used as a cover, but not always.

You may not believe in prayer, but I definitely do.

You're saying prayer has physiological effects?

You can believe whatever you want, but you do so in ignorance of fact.

I find it very difficult to swallow the concept of absolute heterosexuality and homosexuality.

*Getting angry*

Now ones talking to me.

Oh, feeds the kitten now.............lol............god, it chews on me.

No more pot for the kitty.