Originally posted by Apolloknight
Here, I will post the entire fight, because the uniformed logic on this forum is killing me.Both Panther and Iron fist are being mind controlled to kill one-another, although Panther is struggling to fight it, and eventually breaks it, (thanks to the panther god). Iron fist however is trying to kill him, no if ands or buts, he wants to kill panther. Not fighting the mind controlling at all.
In these first two scans, Panther evades a salvo of Iron fist attacks with ease, [b]WITH FREAKING EASE, WHILE UNDERWATER
Remember, Iron fist every attack is his amped up Super Strong/Fast "Iron Fist" attack. And panther could probably drink tea he is so much faster then it.http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist2.jpgHere is where the fight should end, but remember, panther is fighting the mind controlling.
He could, have easily, slit his neck with his claws, KO'ed him with energy daggers, snapped his neck, cut off his head, etc etc, but, T'challa, fighting the mind controlling, does, not, instead, he opts to distance himself. Remember, he gets close, while Iron fist is attacking, underwater, and grapples him with his legs.
On this forum, going by the rules, the fight end here, 10/10 in favor of panther, but we will continue.
http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist3.jpg
Here, Iron fist trys to hit him with a car, panther evades and rolls through a bus, where Iron fist, (Very nice speed feat for IF) is waiting on the other side.
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist4.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist5.jpgThe next scans shows panther landing some more hits, no PIS/CIS going by forum rules, and those palm strikes become claw swipes, IF DEAD again, hell he even manages to put a trash can over IF, but for some reason people doubt BP speed and agility, why people believe he is not one of, if not thee fastest streetlever around is beyond me. Also panther discovers the chip, and realizes IF must have one also, why else would his good friend be fighting him.
http://img55.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img55&image=vsfist6.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist7.jpgSo before IF can get out of the dumpster, he disappears, again, and sneaks Danny attempting the hit the radio, he misses, but danny does however search where the chip is, (but it does not come off).
Also, once again going by forum rules, IF is dead right here, why not sneak on danny with a claw swipe, or an energy dagger set to kill.
http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist8.jpg
I believe this is why so many people think IF>T'challa, here IF does get some hits in and Shred's Panthers suit, It should be noted however, IF is still trying to kill Panther, Panther has already fought and got the chip off of him, he no longer is out to fight IF any longer. But these scans are what people go by.
I'm starting to think a few people just don't wanna give panther his props.
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist9.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist10.jpgFinally even after all that punishment panther took, look who falls first, (be if from the strikes panther gave him, exhaustion from the "Iron fist" attack, or the chip or a combination of all three who knows) All I know is when panther took the chip off himself, he didn't pass out.
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist11.jpg
Faster=Panther
Agile=Panther
Stronger=Iron Fist (via chi, out side of that, Panther)
Smarter=Panther (this includes battle and science smarts)
Durability=Panther
Stamina=Panther He fought killmonger for 13 hours straight, plus if Iron fist uses his attack, he will go down even quicker. Plus panther can evade it with eaaaassee (Proven)
Skill=PantherSo, how does danny stomp panther again [/B]
Ha ha ha, thanks! I have scans from that issue, but I've never seen the whole comic, so I didn't know whether it would be a good example to use 😛
It substantiates my argument, though: In an exhibition match, with points for style and fancy moves and stuff like that, IF would win.
When it comes to a real battle - I mean, BP has the physique of Captain America, the street and battle smarts of Batman and the technology of Iron Man. Plus he is a king of his own country, like Namor, with all the resources that entail...
It just always seems to me that BP should get at leat as much respect in the Marvel Universe as Batman gets in the DC (or any other) universe, and it's always been a bit sad to me that he doesn't.
Fortunately there are still a few people willing to be his champion! 😄
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Here, I will post the entire fight, because the uniformed logic on this forum is killing me.Both Panther and Iron fist are being mind controlled to kill one-another, although Panther is struggling to fight it, and eventually breaks it, (thanks to the panther god). Iron fist however is trying to kill him, no if ands or buts, he wants to kill panther. Not fighting the mind controlling at all.
In these first two scans, Panther evades a salvo of Iron fist attacks with ease, [b]WITH FREAKING EASE, WHILE UNDERWATER
Remember, Iron fist every attack is his amped up Super Strong/Fast "Iron Fist" attack. And panther could probably drink tea he is so much faster then it.http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist2.jpgHere is where the fight should end, but remember, panther is fighting the mind controlling.
He could, have easily, slit his neck with his claws, KO'ed him with energy daggers, snapped his neck, cut off his head, etc etc, but, T'challa, fighting the mind controlling, does, not, instead, he opts to distance himself. Remember, he gets close, while Iron fist is attacking, underwater, and grapples him with his legs.
On this forum, going by the rules, the fight end here, 10/10 in favor of panther, but we will continue.
http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist3.jpg
Here, Iron fist trys to hit him with a car, panther evades and rolls through a bus, where Iron fist, (Very nice speed feat for IF) is waiting on the other side.
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist4.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist5.jpgThe next scans shows panther landing some more hits, no PIS/CIS going by forum rules, and those palm strikes become claw swipes, IF DEAD again, hell he even manages to put a trash can over IF, but for some reason people doubt BP speed and agility, why people believe he is not one of, if not thee fastest streetlever around is beyond me. Also panther discovers the chip, and realizes IF must have one also, why else would his good friend be fighting him.
http://img55.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img55&image=vsfist6.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist7.jpgSo before IF can get out of the dumpster, he disappears, again, and sneaks Danny attempting the hit the radio, he misses, but danny does however search where the chip is, (but it does not come off).
Also, once again going by forum rules, IF is dead right here, why not sneak on danny with a claw swipe, or an energy dagger set to kill.
http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist8.jpg
I believe this is why so many people think IF>T'challa, here IF does get some hits in and Shred's Panthers suit, It should be noted however, IF is still trying to kill Panther, Panther has already fought and got the chip off of him, he no longer is out to fight IF any longer. But these scans are what people go by.
I'm starting to think a few people just don't wanna give panther his props.
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist9.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist10.jpgFinally even after all that punishment panther took, look who falls first, (be if from the strikes panther gave him, exhaustion from the "Iron fist" attack, or the chip or a combination of all three who knows) All I know is when panther took the chip off himself, he didn't pass out.
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist11.jpg
Faster=Panther
Agile=Panther
Stronger=Iron Fist (via chi, out side of that, Panther)
Smarter=Panther (this includes battle and science smarts)
Durability=Panther
Stamina=Panther He fought killmonger for 13 hours straight, plus if Iron fist uses his attack, he will go down even quicker. Plus panther can evade it with eaaaassee (Proven)
Skill=PantherSo, how does danny stomp panther again [/B]
Nicely put. I give Danny his props but Panther takes this one
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Here, I will post the entire fight, because the uniformed logic on this forum is killing me.Both Panther and Iron fist are being mind controlled to kill one-another, although Panther is struggling to fight it, and eventually breaks it, (thanks to the panther god). Iron fist however is trying to kill him, no if ands or buts, he wants to kill panther. Not fighting the mind controlling at all.
In these first two scans, Panther evades a salvo of Iron fist attacks with ease, [b]WITH FREAKING EASE, WHILE UNDERWATER
Remember, Iron fist every attack is his amped up Super Strong/Fast "Iron Fist" attack. And panther could probably drink tea he is so much faster then it.http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist2.jpgHere is where the fight should end, but remember, panther is fighting the mind controlling.
He could, have easily, slit his neck with his claws, KO'ed him with energy daggers, snapped his neck, cut off his head, etc etc, but, T'challa, fighting the mind controlling, does, not, instead, he opts to distance himself. Remember, he gets close, while Iron fist is attacking, underwater, and grapples him with his legs.
On this forum, going by the rules, the fight end here, 10/10 in favor of panther, but we will continue.
http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist3.jpg
Here, Iron fist trys to hit him with a car, panther evades and rolls through a bus, where Iron fist, (Very nice speed feat for IF) is waiting on the other side.
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist4.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist5.jpgThe next scans shows panther landing some more hits, no PIS/CIS going by forum rules, and those palm strikes become claw swipes, IF DEAD again, hell he even manages to put a trash can over IF, but for some reason people doubt BP speed and agility, why people believe he is not one of, if not thee fastest streetlever around is beyond me. Also panther discovers the chip, and realizes IF must have one also, why else would his good friend be fighting him.
http://img55.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img55&image=vsfist6.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist7.jpgSo before IF can get out of the dumpster, he disappears, again, and sneaks Danny attempting the hit the radio, he misses, but danny does however search where the chip is, (but it does not come off).
Also, once again going by forum rules, IF is dead right here, why not sneak on danny with a claw swipe, or an energy dagger set to kill.
http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist8.jpg
I believe this is why so many people think IF>T'challa, here IF does get some hits in and Shred's Panthers suit, It should be noted however, IF is still trying to kill Panther, Panther has already fought and got the chip off of him, he no longer is out to fight IF any longer. But these scans are what people go by.
I'm starting to think a few people just don't wanna give panther his props.
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist9.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist10.jpgFinally even after all that punishment panther took, look who falls first, (be if from the strikes panther gave him, exhaustion from the "Iron fist" attack, or the chip or a combination of all three who knows) All I know is when panther took the chip off himself, he didn't pass out.
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist11.jpg
Faster=Panther
Agile=Panther
Stronger=Iron Fist (via chi, out side of that, Panther)
Smarter=Panther (this includes battle and science smarts)
Durability=Panther
Stamina=Panther He fought killmonger for 13 hours straight, plus if Iron fist uses his attack, he will go down even quicker. Plus panther can evade it with eaaaassee (Proven)
Skill=PantherSo, how does danny stomp panther again [/B]
No no no no. That is just one fight. Even if BP wins this one that doesnt mean he will win again, you need more scans than that. I think its hard to say really.
Panther more agile? thats debateable
Smarter? Absolutely
Faster? Debateable
Stamina? It could go either way but ide be inclined to say panther, largely in part to his armour
and Skill?
Well, Strictly H2h? Its really a tossup between the two
but since panther covers a more broad spectrum of talents, yes, panther is more skilled
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Panther more agile? thats debateable
Smarter? Absolutely
Faster? Debateable
Stamina? It could go either way but ide be inclined to say panther, largely in part to his armour
I think I would agree with all that.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
and Skill?Well, Strictly H2h? Its really a tossup between the two
but since panther covers a more broad spectrum of talents, yes, panther is more skilled
Well panther is more skilled in strategy and tech, in terms of pure h2H it could go either way. As we know IF has his Chi power to give him an edge so he is not just using pure h2h, but then again BP has his gadgets and strategy so BP has more advantages.....so im giving it to BP 6/10
Originally posted by Alfheim
I think I would agree with all that.Well panther is more skilled in strategy and tech, in terms of pure h2H it could go either way. As we know IF has his Chi power to give him an edge so he is not just using pure h2h, but then again BP has his gadgets and strategy so BP has more advantages.....so im giving it to BP 6/10
I agree, IF is very skilled but between Bp's armour and gadgets, im starting to see thsi in favor of panther, but not without an incredible fight, although im not ENTIRELy convinced it would seem that it is infact a slight win for panther
Originally posted by Alfheim
No no no no. That is just [B] one fight. Even if BP wins this one that doesnt mean he will win again, you need more scans than that. I think its hard to say really. [/B]
BP is evading Iron Fist best attack with ease, what else does Iron fist have to take Panther down if he cant even hit him with the Iron fist underwater. He can barely even keep track of panther, let alone hit him.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Panther more agile? thats debateable
Smarter? Absolutely
Faster? Debateable
Stamina? It could go either way but ide be inclined to say panther, largely in part to his armour
and Skill?
Well, Strictly H2h? Its really a tossup between the two
but since panther covers a more broad spectrum of talents, yes, panther is more skilled
No, no its not, Panther fights on all fours, are you serious, the guy grapples Iron fist with his legs, while Iron fist is attacking. And as for speed, if panther is fast enough to evade The Iron fist, grapple him with his legs, throw a trash can on him, lets be serious for a minute.
Originally posted by Alfheim
IWell panther is more skilled in strategy and tech, in terms of pure h2H it could go either way. As we know IF has his Chi power to give him an edge so he is not just using pure h2h, but then again BP has his gadgets and strategy so BP has more advantages.....so im giving it to BP 6/10
What are you talking about, the only tech panther used, was his daggers, and he was trying to stun him, HE was dodging the IRON FIST with pure skill, and landing in his own hits, stop trying to downplay the fight.
BP>>>>IF in H2H
sorry.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
BP is evading Iron Fist best attack with ease, what else does Iron fist have to take Panther down if he cant even hit him with the Iron fist underwater. He can barely even keep track of panther, let alone hit him.
This is what im saying this is one fight this does not count as evidence. You always tend to get scans where some fights badly then in another they fight really well.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
What are you talking about, the only tech panther used, was his daggers, and he was trying to stun him, HE was dodging the IRON FIST with pure skill, and landing in his own hits, stop trying to downplay the fight.
Geeeezz calm down. Im not saying BP didnt kick his ass im just saying that BP has a vibranuim suit and his daggers if he wants to use them, and like I said that is just one fight.
Originally posted by Alfheim
This is what im saying this is one fight this does not count as evidence. You always tend to get scans where some fights badly then in another they fight really well.Geeeezz calm down. Im not saying BP didnt kick his ass im just saying that BP has a vibranuim suit and his daggers if he wants to use them, and like I said that is just [B] one
fight. [/B]
Which proves BP>IF.
sooo, what are you trying to argue?
Originally posted by ApolloknightNo, no its not, Panther fights on all fours, are you serious, the guy grapples Iron fist with his legs, while Iron fist is attacking. And as for speed, if panther is fast enough to evade The Iron fist, grapple him with his legs, throw a trash can on him, lets be serious for a minute.
BP>>>>IF in H2H
sorry.
Panther fights on all fours? Ok? im not sure what that means but i know what it doesnt mean.
Anyways, that point aside, yes i saw the scans, but you know as good as i do that if we went by everyones "low" showings, we'de have alot of obscure descisions in fights. What about the last scan when IF punched Black panther like 52 times? But really, its not even about that.
For someone who can keep up with spiderman When amped with chi to not be able to tag BP is a bit odd, but nevertheless, it happend and im not denying it. On the other hand, Iron fist has been shown to keep up in h2h with People better than BP (Daredevil, to name one).
Not to spin this topic off into a seperate debate, but my point is that the fight between BP and IF wasnt iron fist's only fight, and in many fights, hes been able to keep up with people like BP, so honestly, why shuoldent he be able to?
Again, im not saying IF wins (but im not completely convinced otherwise yet), but BP is in no way shape or form leauges beyond Iron fist in h2h as their has NEVER been a reason (especially considering black panthers abilites) to think so
Originally posted by Alfheim
Good point...all im saying is that in terms of scans you have only got one fight, that is not enough evidence.In terms of being objective and thinking about their skills in general BP wins 6/10.
So what grants IF his four wins, if a blood-lusted IF couldn't even hit BP with his best attack while panther was trying to figure out why they where fighting, and wasn't really fighting all out, let alone not even using all his tech at his disposal?
And its funny how you should say this one fight is not enough evidence, I remember a few months back, I argued to the death along side you that Cap can take a few wins over spidy, with just one civil war showing.
funny how the tables turn depending the character!!!! 😕
Originally posted by Apolloknight
So what grants IF his four wins, if a blood-lusted IF couldn't even hit BP with his best attack while panther was trying to figure out why they where fighting, and wasn't really fighting all out, let alone not even using all his tech at his disposal?
his chi power and the fact that he can ehance his abilities, also in general he seems to have similar feats to BP, like being able to fight Spiderman h2h.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
And its funny how you should say this one fight is not enough evidence, I remember a few months back, I argued to the death along side you that Cap can take a few wins over spidy, with just one civil war showing.funny how the tables turn depending the character!!!! 😕
C'mon man dont get personal, ive already had one bust up today. There were other scans posted your blowings things out of proportion. Plus ive been reading cap for a hundred years.
So I wasn't just going by one scan.
Originally posted by Alfheim
his chi power and the fact that he can ehance his abilities, also in general he seems to have similar feats to BP, like being able to fight Spiderman h2h.
exactly what im saying, someone with similiar abilities suddenly gets stomped by BP? realisticly it doesnt make sense, honestly
Originally posted by Alfheim
his chi power and the fact that he can ehance his abilities, also in general he seems to have similar feats to BP, like being able to fight Spiderman h2h.
Did you see the fight I posted, he was ampped bloodlusted trying to kill panther with every attack, panther evades with ease, I fail to see your point in that, oh and panther has bested spidy in h2H before, but that another fight.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
exactly what im saying, someone with similiar abilities suddenly gets stomped by BP? realisticly it doesnt make sense, honestly
read above..
