Originally posted by bigbranI don’t Marvel could be that dumb, it has to be a magic thing.
I've been hinting, so I could show this the whole time...
Not without proof...Keep in mind, that they are in the sun (core), and his lightning is affecting a being who lives there, so that would mean something...
Maybe, it is from the sun, but still, impressive none-the-less.
Originally posted by bigbran
Does he have the on-panel evidence of him existing across the planet?
Originally posted by Roldz
No he doesnt exist around the planet but can manipulate the invironments moisture/water in a planet to reassemble himself and yes its shown on panel.. There's been quite a few explanation how his powers work dough, i for one think its the deduction of kinetic energy turnin substance into Ice..
There WAS an on panel example of him existing in EVERYTHING simultaneously.
Check the respect thread.
Originally posted by Roldz
Ahh, no...
And who isn't more powerful from those I mentioned.
Richards power - far beyond SS
Hyperstorm - far beyond
Wanda - far beyond
Rachel - far beyond
Jean - puf, far beyond
Literallly all far more powerful than SS.
Iceman, Vulcan and Kid Omega (who was described as possible being as a host to Phoenix Force, potentially far beyond SS) haven't lived to their potenial yet.
I'll say my pace about this thread.
Hulk cannot probably win against Bobby because he can live in liquid and gaseous forms, that pretty much takes any damage that Hulk can even dream of doing. Unless of course you feel that Hulk can press him enough to change the composition of his molecules redering him unable to manipulate himself, good luck finding on-panel proves for that feat.
Silver Surfer beats Ice Man, he can move way before Bobby can even think about doing anything and transform him into bread. Bobby is no breadman and not even omega mutants can use their powers when they are bread. By speed alone SS is more than a match for Bobby, he also can transmutate matter, which is pretty strong against the ability of Ice man (affecting only one type of matter). That match is not even a match, so dont bring it up.
Does Ice Man has more sheet power that SS? Well, you can argue about that, I dont feel like discussing it in a Hulk thread.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hyperstorm and Wanda Maximoff are not Omega mutants.Rachel Grey currently stands no chance against the Silver Surfer. Franklin Richards would literally piss himself.
I said there are probably not an omega, but could have been. Anyway, far more powerful than SS. Rachel, her potential power is far beyond SS.
The same goes with Ricahrs who as a child he was far more powerfl than SS ever. That doesn't mean he would win, he wouldn't, but he is still far more powerful than SS.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Iceman would not beat the Silver Surfer.
He wouldn't yet, Iceman isn't probably close to his potential yet.
Originally posted by ThePittman
I don’t see how Bobby is not at his full potential, what else could you do with his powers? There is nothing lower then absolute zero, he can live in any state of matter and reform at will. That sounds like a peak power to me.
Indeed. I do believe that Omega level mutants reached their potential once they could exist as pure energy.
The fact that Iceman's consciousness can travel through matter, reform at will, be everywhere on the globe at once...
What more can they do with him? Make his consciousness spread out over galaxies? Make Iceman's consciousness take over the entire planet, and be sort of like Ego? 😬.
Eh.
Besides that, they're not gonna keep going with Iceman. They may not depower him, but I promise we'll be seeing him Jobb a HELL of a lot. They don't want the X-men too powerful, or else nothing will really be a threat - it's one of the reasons they always end up killing off the Phoenix. 😉.
Originally posted by Soljer
Indeed. I do believe that Omega level mutants reached their potential once they could exist as pure energy.The fact that Iceman's consciousness can travel through matter, reform at will, be everywhere on the globe at once...
What more can they do with him? Make his consciousness spread out over galaxies? Make Iceman's consciousness take over the entire planet, and be sort of like Ego? 😬.
good question. Emma hinted that the true nature of his powers might not be cold generation, but manipulation and control of energy at a molecular level as his full potential. it COULD go that way, but marvel would never, ever do it.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
good question. Emma hinted that the true nature of his powers might not be cold generation, but manipulation and control of energy at a molecular level as his full potential. it COULD go that way, but marvel would never, ever do it.
Well, I thought we knew for fact (not hypothesis) that Bobby neither generated cold, nor absorbed heat. I thought he could control the very molecules around him, slowing or speeding them up.
Kinetic energy control. On full potential leve, that'd put him up there with New Sun. 😉.
Because, obviously, Bobby can create heat/speed up molecules as well as slow them down. He's melted water quite a few times in the past. 😉.
Originally posted by SoljerI have never seen him melt ice before, was it his own ice or was it already there? That would make a big difference but wouldn’t put him at the level of New Son though because of the level of damage that he can do compare to slowing down and speeding up atoms.
Well, I thought we knew for fact (not hypothesis) that Bobby neither generated cold, nor absorbed heat. I thought he could control the very molecules around him, slowing or speeding them up.Kinetic energy control. On full potential leve, that'd put him up there with New Sun. 😉.
Because, obviously, Bobby can create heat/speed up molecules as well as slow them down. He's melted water quite a few times in the past. 😉.
Edit: I was just going over his Marvel bio and have they depowerd him?
Originally posted by ThePittman
I have never seen him melt ice before, was it his own ice or was it already there? That would make a big difference but wouldn’t put him at the level of New Son though because of the level of damage that he can do compare to slowing down and speeding up atoms.
No, I meant at 'full potential,' Bobby might have full mastery of kinetic energy, as it seems his powers already are based off the speeds of molecules, and not a 'cold' generation, nor a 'heat' abosorption.
Right now his powers are NO WHERE NEAR New Sun level. I was just theorizing, is all.
Originally posted by SoljerWell there would be a big difference in using and enhancing kinetic energy and simply slowing or speeding up the atoms, New Son would have a greater destructive power then Bobby could ever imagine.
No, I meant at 'full potential,' Bobby might have full mastery of kinetic energy, as it seems his powers already are based off the speeds of molecules, and not a 'cold' generation, nor a 'heat' abosorption.Right now his powers are NO WHERE NEAR New Sun level. I was just theorizing, is all.
