Also, Iceman need not freeze the Hulk IN a block of ice; he isn't encasing him.
He can literally freeze every molecule of the Hulk's body.
FAR different.
Also, Accel, Moisture Inversion is where Bobby turns OTHER people's organic body into water, the way he can do with his own. It's how he has had other people travel with him through water molecules.
The BFR scenario would involve him Moisture Inverting the Hulk into Water, and travelling, with the Hulk, to space, leaving the Hulk there(as water molecules) and returning to Earth.
Originally posted by Space M ummyNo the atoms are a major factor in how brittle something become such as sticking a cotton ball into liquid nitrogen or copper wire or even mercury, each of these items have different freezing points to where they will become brittle. It also depends on the make up of the material and the tensile strength of the item.
Now THERE's some BS. go stick a piece of meat in some liquid nitro. Take it out when it's frozen and take a hammer to it. Flesh shatters when frozen just like everything else. Don't believe me? Try it yourself. We used to do stuff like this in physics class all the time. Rubber? Shatters. Flesh? Shatters. plastic? Shatters.Metal is actually LESS vulnerable to this than something soft like skin or flesh.
edit: I found something that might interest you:
liquid nitrogen is only -320 F, by the way. Far above Absolute Zero.
"the way the atoms are aligned!" is complete BS.
Omega level bobby froze an entire celestial ship INCLUDING the stranger. Just keeping hulk cold isn't much of a feat.
and don't forget, the rest of the Xmen are just hanging out, waiting for a nice, still, frozen target to take shots at.
Want to take a guess as to how strong a full power optic blast is?
http://www.chemistry.org/portal/a/c/s/1/feature_tea.html?DOC=teachers%5Ctea_liquidN.html
At -250 Hulks wasn’t even close to being frozen, they still hade him on an air supply and he could still breathe so his body functions were still working and his flesh was still flexible. I know that if you put a steak into liquid nitrogen you can break it but when is the Hulks skin every been that soft? Also in order for Bobby to freeze the hulk to that point would probably knock out our kill any X-Men around him unless they had proper protection.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Now THERE's some BS. go stick a piece of meat in some liquid nitro. Take it out when it's frozen and take a hammer to it. Flesh shatters when frozen just like everything else. Don't believe me? Try it yourself. We used to do stuff like this in physics class all the time. Rubber? Shatters. Flesh? Shatters. plastic? Shatters.Metal is actually LESS vulnerable to this than something soft like skin or flesh.
edit: I found something that might interest you:
liquid nitrogen is only -320 F, by the way. Far above Absolute Zero.
"the way the atoms are aligned!" is complete BS.
Omega level bobby froze an entire celestial ship INCLUDING the stranger. Just keeping hulk cold isn't much of a feat.
and don't forget, the rest of the Xmen are just hanging out, waiting for a nice, still, frozen target to take shots at.
Want to take a guess as to how strong a full power optic blast is?
Powerful enough to **** up Onslaught....
Originally posted by ThePittman
No the atoms are a major factor in how brittle something become such as sticking a cotton ball into liquid nitrogen or copper wire or even mercury, each of these items have different freezing points to where they will become brittle. It also depends on the make up of the material and the tensile strength of the item.http://www.chemistry.org/portal/a/c/s/1/feature_tea.html?DOC=teachers%5Ctea_liquidN.html
At -250 Hulks wasn’t even close to being frozen, they still hade him on an air supply and he could still breathe so his body functions were still working and his flesh was still flexible. I know that if you put a steak into liquid nitrogen you can break it but when is the Hulks skin every been that soft? Also in order for Bobby to freeze the hulk to that point would probably knock out our kill any X-Men around him unless they had proper protection.
He wouldn't knock out or Kill anyone but those he needed to. He can freeze each individual Molecule, damnit!
Bobby did no damage to his teammates when he froze every molecule of a celestial Ship, did he? Or when he froze the Stranger's heat beams.
There is no question; bobby can freeze the Hulk.
Originally posted by Soljer
He wouldn't knock out or Kill anyone but those he needed to. He can freeze each individual Molecule, damnit!Bobby did no damage to his teammates when he froze every molecule of a celestial Ship, did he? Or when he froze the Stranger's heat beams.
There is no question; bobby can freeze the Hulk.
Soljer, do you think fullpotential Iceman can take out Thor or Silver Surfer?
Originally posted by SoljerThat is where comics and psychics differ and if I remember right on the ship they were protected inside of a bubble by Jean. In reality anything next to an object at absolute zero would be losing heat at an incredible rate and if they were alive and somewhat human would die almost instantly.
He wouldn't knock out or Kill anyone but those he needed to. He can freeze each individual Molecule, damnit!Bobby did no damage to his teammates when he froze every molecule of a celestial Ship, did he? Or when he froze the Stranger's heat beams.
There is no question; bobby can freeze the Hulk.
Originally posted by masterbruce
Soljer, do you think fullpotential Iceman can take out Thor or Silver Surfer?
Hell no. The Hulk is a different story.
Thor and the Silver Surfer can transmute elements. All that Aych two ohh that Iceman inhabits? Becomes Eff ee.
What the hell could he do then?
Hulk, however, has no such alternative. All he has is his fists. Which can do shit-all against Iceman.
The Surfer and Thor wouldn't be able to beat Iceman with pure physical force, either. They just have more versatility, which allows them to win every time.
Originally posted by ThePittman
However if you have an object the size of the Hulk at absolute zero would also freeze everything around it.
Nice try, but bobby controls temperature, remember? He's never had any issue preventing the surroundings from freezing when he uses his powers. otherwise everything would freeze when he iced up anything.
As the Pittman says, bobby controls temperature down to a molecular level- each individual molecule.
Hulk still loses.
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Soljer, do you think fullpotential Iceman can take out Thor or Silver Surfer?
i know this wasn't directed at me- but Soljer is dead on. Both thor and Surfer are advanced energy manipulators. Surfer isn't really made of flesh anyway, and it's debatable as to whether thor is either (being a god and not mortal) so freezing attacks won't necessarily be as effective- there may not BE any moisture to extract or freeze.
Surfer is also WAY, WAY faster than Iceman is- he's been shown to take action at several times the speed of light, so he's got the initiative advantage.
Originally posted by Space M ummyBobby doesn’t control temperature, he removes heat. 😉 Cold doesn’t exist it is just a removal of heat and Bobby can’t control his surroundings because there is countless times when he ices up and others feel it. He can not add heat so if you have a block of absolute zero ice it will suck out the heat in the surrounding area just as a fire radiates heat. He normally doesn’t go to that temperature and normally freezing is good enough for his needs which wouldn’t have a visible effect in comics even at the extreme temperatures wouldn’t have much visible effects.
Nice try, but bobby controls temperature, remember? He's never had any issue preventing the surroundings from freezing when he uses his powers. otherwise everything would freeze when he iced up anything.As the Pittman says, bobby controls temperature down to a molecular level- each individual molecule.
Hulk still loses.
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Originally posted by ThePittmanEven if Iceman for some strange reason couldn't both freeze Hulk and hurl an ice spike at him, there are a bunch of other X-Men there.
Well even if he flashed freeze him he would shatter unless there is an outside force as for his regeneration from pieces I speculate that he may be able to but there hasn’t been any thing that I have seen.