Originally posted by Gregory
I didn't notice this bit of lunacy the first time around. A secular liberal is free to swear before a judge "under penalty of perjury," without putting his hand on any document at all.Furthermore, atheist Culbert Olson was sworn in as governer of California without putting his hand on a Bible, something the chief justice of the California Supreme Court affirmed was acceptable.
Now you know. And knowing is half the battle.
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Originally posted by FeceMan
Why don't we just have people swear an oath without the Bible? I mean, really, does it add anything to a person's oath? Liars, cheaters, and thieves will swear themselves blue over a Bible--I'm sure there's a pun to be made in there--and continue to lie, cheat, and steal. Honest people will swear themselves blue over a Bible and continue to be honest.
Well said. Now we need to follow that up with the logical conclusion that there need be no influence from christianity on someone's political policies.
just so everyone knows, these are not even his words. he copied and dennis pragar's bogoted rant, and the rest of his posts here are just mindlessly parroted paraphrasing of the same post. SS...have you no opinion of your own? must it be fed word for word from your masters? i pity you
anyway, its amazing how everyone goes nuts about michael richards saying fearTHE N WORDfear but this shit flies under the radar.
I was about to ask where the original post was copied and pasted from.
Originally posted by Mišt
Is it law to swear in on the Bible? Can you refuse to do it?
It is not law, it's a tradition, and if you want to take an oath on something else you are well within your rights to do so.
For that matter, I don't see why it matters what someone uses to take an oath on. What should be important is the oath itself and if they uphold it; not what they happen to put their hand on (if anything). We're supposed to be a country of freedom yet people pitch fits over something as petty as this?
Originally posted by PVS
just so everyone knows, these are not even his words. he copied and dennis pragar's bogoted rant, and the rest of his posts here are just mindlessly parroted paraphrasing of the same post. SS...have you no opinion of your own? must it be fed word for word from your masters? i pity you
Originally posted by Gregory
I noticed that. Sithsaber, Deano, and JesusIsAlive ... what is it with fanatics and the copy/paste function?
So what?
I read something that seemed like a good topic for debate, and posted it.
It wasn't sent to me from my "masters", nor does it make me a "fanatic".
I happened to agree with the guys point of view, and many of you didn't.
That's what a debate is all about.
In hindsight, I guess I should have posted the link to the original article, but since it was only a simple fact (Mike Ellison, D-Minn. will swear on the Koran) followed by opinions, I just copied and pasted.
Big deal.
You PVS, must have some sort of magical gift if you recieve all your info and world news straight from your own thoughts.
You get your opinions and news from websites, T.V. shows, newspapers, etc... just like the rest of us.
So don't get all high and mighty about how I read something somewhere and posted it.
As for the topic at hand, I saw him on Paula Zahn's CNN show last night, and it was revealed that in his article he neglects to mention that the ceremony in which this would happen is a personal, private one that's more for a photo-op than anything else.
The official swearing in is with the whole congress together, and they don't even use a book.
I concede defeat.
(seems to be a running theme among conservatives this year.) 😛
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You get your opinions and news from websites, T.V. shows, newspapers, etc... just like the rest of us.
no, i get information through websites, tv shows, newspapers, etc...and then formulate my own opinion. dont project your own shortcommings on "the rest of us".
also, keep in mind that "the rest of us" site our sources rather than copy and paste to give the appearence that they're our own pros. (excluding a couple of kmc's 'special' members)
Originally posted by PVS
no, i get information through websites, tv shows, newspapers, etc...and then formulate my own opinion. dont project your own shortcommings on "the rest of us".also, keep in mind that "the rest of us" site our sources rather than copy and paste to give the appearence that they're our own pros. (excluding a couple of kmc's 'special' members)
Uh-huh, yep.
And if the opinion I formed happens to match what somebody else said, and he said it well already, then what's the harm in posting it?
(other than not linking, which I already said I should have)
I think that you and I disagree on many issues PVS, and that's normal.
But the difference is that you try to paint me out as some religious, nut-job who takes instruction from "masters" of a political movement, rather than what I am:
An intelligent thoughtful person who has heard most arguments from both sides, and picked the side which seemed right to him.
Just as you are.
(only I don't try to paint you as some retarded degenerate whose pure blind love of anything that smells like anti-religion/anti-authority "freedom" leads you to support positions which are ethically and morally despicable.)
And please don't compare me to Whob, I think I deserve a little better than that.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
This ridiculous, Even though I'm not a christian, why should congress change a custom to accomodate to one dudes religion?It seems that islam has become the substitute to the race card in america.
Why should someone be forced to swear upon religious text that they do not believe in, especially in a country where "freedom of religion" (1st ADM) exist?
Originally posted by Robtard
Why should someone be forced to swear upon religious text that they do not believe in, especially in a country where "freedom of religion" (1st ADM) exist?
He shouldn't be forced to do anything, no one has gun to his head. Regardless of religion, it's a tradition of the country he chooses to live in, what right does he have to change it? Should this country really put it's own traditions on the side to appease to foreigners?
It's not like there asking him to become a christian.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
He shouldn't be forced to do anything, no one has gun to his head. Regardless of religion, it's a tradition of the country he chooses to live in, what right does he have to change it? Should this country really put it's own traditions on the side to appease to foreigners?It's not like there asking him to become a christian.
it is not law, so he can swear upon whatever he wishes. bend and twist the argument all you wish in spite of fact: it is his right to swear an oath on the koran. welcome to freedom of religion. enjoy your stay
Originally posted by PVS
it is not law, so he can swear upon whatever he wishes. bend and twist the argument all you wish in spite of fact: it is his right to swear an oath on the koran. welcome to freedom of religion. enjoy your stay