Care to post any reasons why?
'Within the first few passes Bane knew he couldn't win. Kas'im had trained his entire life for this moment. After years of study, he'd mastered all seven forms of the lightsaber. Then he'd honed his skill for decades, perfecting every move and sequence until he had become the perfect weapon and the greatest living swordsman in the galaxy. Maybe the greatest swordsman ever. Bane was no match for him.'
Anakin's up against someone who mastered all 7 forms of lightsaber combat, for dual sabers and the saber staff as well as a single saber. He then spent decades refining and perfecting his moves, until he was described as the perfect weapon, the greatest living swordsman and possibly the greatest ever. He also switched up between these forms in combat, giving him a somewhat unique style. There is simply no other in the entire SW universe who was ever as dedicated to saber combat as Kas'im was, PoD makes it pretty clear that he pretty much spent every bit of free time he had honing his skills, I'm pretty sure he didn't even sleep.
In short, he's mastered every form there is including Anakin's, he has a unique style that Anakin has never come across, and he perfected all of his moves. There's no way Anakin can win in my eyes.
'Within the first few passes Bane knew he couldn't win. Kas'im had trained his entire life for this moment. After years of study, he'd mastered all seven forms of the lightsaber. Then he'd honed his skill for decades, perfecting every move and sequence until he had become the perfect weapon and the greatest living swordsman in the galaxy. Maybe the greatest swordsman ever. Bane was no match for him.'Anakin's up against someone who mastered all 7 forms of lightsaber combat, for dual sabers and the saber staff as well as a single saber. He then spent decades refining and perfecting his moves, until he was described as the perfect weapon, the greatest living swordsman and possibly the greatest ever. He also switched up between these forms in combat, giving him a somewhat unique style. There is simply no other in the entire SW universe who was ever as dedicated to saber combat as Kas'im was, PoD makes it pretty clear that he pretty much spent every bit of free time he had honing his skills, I'm pretty sure he didn't even sleep.
In short, he's mastered every form there is including Anakin's, he has a unique style that Anakin has never come across, and he perfected all of his moves. There's no way Anakin can win in my eyes.
Well let's see. Anakin was said to be the strongest Jedi alive during an age where lightsaber mastery had reached a peak. He killed off Dooku, who was one of the greatest swordsmen alive. He collapsed an entire room or building by Rage. He mastered Djem So to the highest degree possible.
While Kas'Im is deadly, I put him (and many others in that good ole' thread Kas'Im vs. Dooku) on par with Tyrannus. Anakin is just a shade better.
Well let's see. Anakin was said to be the strongest Jedi alive during an age where lightsaber mastery had reached a peak.
1. Where was Anakin said to be the strongest jedi alive? This doesn't make sense, as both Yoda and Mace are definitely more powerful.
2. Where was lightsaber mastery said to have reached its peak? Need I remind you of the hundreds of Niman users who died at Geonosis?
He killed off Dooku, who was one of the greatest swordsmen alive.
Under questionable circumstances.
He collapsed an entire room or building by Rage.
This was an unfocused attack - his rage taking pure form in an uncontrolled way, he wouldn't be able to successfully employ it in a versus scenario. And remember, this is the same Anakin that couldn't even overpower Obi-Wan with the force.
Anyways, this compares to Bane destroying a temple, how? 'Cause Kas'im was able to defend against an attack which was so powerful that its redirection was able to collapse the entire Rakatan Temple, imagine how powerful the blast was head on? No, I think it's pretty safe to say that Kas'im can defend against anything Anakin throws at him with the force.
He mastered Djem So to the highest degree possible.
To the highest degree possible? Proof? And the funny thing is, with Kas'im's perfecting his moves for decades, he most likely did master the form to its highest degree.
In the Revenge of the Sith novelization, it says along the lines that Anakin was "the greatest, the finest, the best pilot..., the Order had seen." Mace and Yoda are greater due to their experience and mastery of the Force. However, Anakin has the highest raw power and has one of the highest Midi-Chlorian counts. Already at the age of 23, his Force strength is only surpassed by Yoda, Sidious, Mace, and Dooku (all who had to spend decades to reach their level).
And yes, Jedi lightsaber training has been perfected to a very high degree. Ever since the Battle of Ruusan, which nearly destroyed the Jedi Order, the Jedi have been fearful of the Dark Side. They saw how powerful it was {Thought Bomb}, and that explains why many Jedi don't use any many Force moves as Jedi during the Jedi Civil War for example. Even Mace tells Yoda that "it's time to tell the council that your ability with the Force has diminished" to indicate how Force moves have deteriorated. Yet the PT Order has made up for this via lightsaber training. During the CW, there were many deadly saber users besides the primary heroes and villians, like Quinlan Vos, Asajj Ventress, Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, Cin Drallig, Depa Billaba, etc. All the forms have been mastered and even Juyo has been molded into a form: Vapaad.
And Geonosis was a different case. Niman was a balanced form. Yet for its intentions it's moves were highly perfected. In addition, the 200 Jedi on Geonosis were heavily outnumbered.
Under questionable circumstances
Hardly, just because some people can't deny it, we know that Anakin > Dooku.
Anyways, this compares to Bane destroying a temple, how? 'Cause Kas'im was able to defend against an attack which was so powerful that its redirection was able to collapse the entire Rakatan Temple, imagine how powerful the blast was head on? No, I think it's pretty safe to say that Kas'im can defend against anything Anakin throws at him with the force.
My point was to show Anakin is not weak with the Force. And neither is Kas'Im. But Anakin doesn't have to use the Force to beat Kas'Im, does he?
To the highest degree possible? Proof? And the funny thing is, with Kas'im's perfecting his moves for decades, he most likely did master the form to its highest degree.
Funny, look what happened to Dooku at Skywalker's hands.
While Kas'Im puts a helluva fight, Anakin's Djem So grants him the victory.
Besides Kas'im's skill and age, let's remember how gifted of a swordsman Bane was when he made that comparison, and what era he was living in. While I am confident Skywalker, if he put everything he had into it, could put up one hell of a fight, Kas'im will eventually find some way to use Skywalker's recklessness against him, otherwise Kas'im could simply distract/surprise Skywalker with some move, or draw him into a bad position. Skywalker simply doesn't have the focus and experience to win.
Well, Bane was great but also, he was great when all the other siths were not that great... For example, an holocron from Revan had more knowledge to him them all the sith lords' knowledge from his time... So, basicly, i am not saying that Kas'im was not good, but i doubt he could beat anakin, the choosen one, in ROTS.
In the Revenge of the Sith novelisation, it says along the lines that Anakin was "the greatest, the finest, the best pilot...,the Order had seen."
I'm pretty sure it was saying that Anakin was basically the best at getting a jedi mission done, not necessarily the most powerful, but due to him excelling in so many areas (incredible with saber combat, best pilot, great with the force, great general etc.), he was the 'best' jedi so to speak. And that makes sense, he as well as Obi-Wan were basically the heroes of the clone wars, together, they were the most successful as generals and in their missions. And well, there aren't too many other explanations, as saying that he was more powerful than Yoda, and even Mace doesn't quite make sense. But really, you shouldn't make an interpretation out of something, and writing it down as if that was how it originally was, it only loses you credibility.
Mace and Yoda are greater due to their experience and mastery of the Force. However, Anakin has the highest raw power and has one of the highest Midi-Chlorian counts. Already at the age of 23, his Force strength is only surpassed by Yoda, Sidious, Mace, and Dooku (all who had to spend decades to reach their level).
No disagreements here.
And yes, Jedi lightsaber training has been perfected to a very high degree. Ever since the Battle of Ruusan, which nearly destroyed the Jedi Order, the Jedi have been fearful of the Dark Side. They saw how powerful it was {Thought Bomb},
You have this completely wrong. The jedi around the time of the BoR were the most martial jedi that we've ever seen so far, and after the BoR, they believed the sith to be extinct. This lead to the jedi order becoming less martial, as their true enemies were seemingly defeated, and times became more peaceful. It was here on that the jedi became more diplomatic and actual peace keepers rather than warriors.
and that explains why many Jedi don't use any many Force moves as Jedi during the Jedi Civil War for example. Even Mace tells Yoda that "it's time to tell the council that your ability with the Force has diminished" to indicate how Force moves have deteriorated.
You have completely missed the point of that quote General, that quote has nothing to do with actual force powers, just their overall ability in determining the will of the force, that's it.
Yet the PT Order has made up for this via lightsaber training.
This is all nice speculation, but the thing is, you have no clue what you're talking about. Prior to the Clone Wars, the times were peaceful, the jedi were diplomats, not warriors, the teachings of the jedi code had molded the order into a very unmartial order. I mean the most popular lightsaber form was Niman, the diplomat's form. Now when the Clone Wars came, it was one of the biggest wars ever in the history of the jedi, and the order was simply not prepared for such a war. And I'm talking about warfare in general, don't get me started on actual jedi on dark jedi, lightsaber upon lightsaber warfare, because the PT Jedi order is very lacking in that department. I mean the ultimate lightsaber dueling form, Makashi was almost made obsolete.
During the CW, there were many deadly saber users besides the primary heroes and villians, like Quinlan Vos, Asajj Ventress, Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, Cin Drallig, Depa Billaba, etc.
Simple explanation: more material based around the PT times.
All the forms have been mastered
I think you mean perfected, and all I have to say to that is, proof?
and even Juyo has been molded into a form: Vapaad.
Yes, by 3 people.
And Geonosis was a different case. Niman was a balanced form. Yet for its intentions it's moves were highly perfected.
Proof? You really have to provide proof for these ridiculous claims.
In addition, the 200 Jedi on Geonosis were heavily outnumbered.
The Lucas-sourced primary reason why the jedi got their butts kicked was because Niman had become the most popular form.
Hardly, just because some people can't deny it, we know that Anakin > Dooku.
Appeal to majority, nice…
1. The highest form of canon shows Dooku toying with both Obi-Wan and Anakin at once, then kicking Anakin back like ten metres and taking out Obi-Wan with the force, dominating the fight against Anakin, and then losing to Anakin due to a lucky manoeuvre on Ani's part.
2. There's the whole fact that it's very possible that their duel was a test to try to turn Anakin to the darkside, or at least bring him closer. There's a lot supporting this:
(a) Palpatine desperately wanted Anakin as an apprentice, it would be foolish on his part to create the possibility that Dooku might kill him, it makes more sense that he rigged the fight in Anakin's favour.
(b) Dooku takes Obi-Wan out with the force for the whole of the fight, whereas only temporarily disabling Anakin, it's pretty obvious that Obi-Wan was an obstacle and that he wanted to get rid of him so he could concentrate on Skywalker.
(c) Dooku tells Anakin to use his anger - this isn't simply taunting, why give him advice if there were not ulterior motives to their fight.
3. The arguments for Anakin are mostly flawed.
4. Dooku is simply shown in the EU as being far more powerful.
Funny, look what happened to Dooku at Skywalker's hands.
And this proves that Anakin mastered it to its highest degree, how?
While Kas'Im puts a helluva fight, Anakin's Djem So grants him the victory.
Do you realise how asinine this sentence is? Kas’im has mastered Anakin’s form, Djem So, as well as six others, he’s perfected their moves, yet ‘Anakin’s Djem So grants him the victory’? Seriously…
The planet, don't take me wrong but, are you trying to say that dooku>anakin? Because anakin>dooku is probably one of the few things we really know about lightsaber duels... Dooku was pretty much handed in the movie and the book even explain why anakin defeated Dooku...
Anyway, i doubt Kas'm is stronger then dooku, and even less that he would beat Anakin. I think that Anakin is superior, even if Kas'm would give him a hard fight.