Wolverine PIS Hall of Fame

Ugh. The process in comics is as follows:

A. You live.

B. You die.

C. Your soul goes to the light. The afterlife. Heaven. Whatever the hell it is.

Something with Wolverine (be it magical, a remnant of his past, or something dealing with his mutation) let's him make a choice after B. and before C. Wolverine can go with D.

D. Return to the world of the living.

You see, it doesn't matter how much or how little of Wolverine's body remains. His immortality is not genetically related, it's supernatural. If you don't really like it, that's fine. But you can't STILL argue that Wolverine can die (and stay dead) from massive blood loss.

Could he still die from that? Sure. But he could come right back. You see, Wolverine isn't truly immortal in the sense that you can't kill him. He's immortal in the sense that IF you kill him, he can return to his body immediately.

Think Mr. Immortal, kind of. Deadpool decapitated him, yet, he was up and walking around on the next page. It wasn't really due to a healing factor, but rather, his mutation.

Similar with Wolverine.

Wolverine being Immortal is not PIS, even if you believe it to be stupid. It was simply a creative decision that the writers decided to make. They wanted to take Wolverine's character in this direction, who on this board has the authority to stop them? Hm?

Wolverine Stabbing Thanos (period. Much less with the infinity gauntlet), however, IS PIS. Thanos survived a Black Hole without so much as a bruise. He took blasts from Odin and still stood in defiance. He took a pretty powerful blast from Galactus, and still lived. He laughed in the face of the Surfer's blasts, and took shots from a Warrior Madness Thor without too much trouble.

Yet Wolverine could kill him? While wielding the INFINITY GAUNTLET?

No.

*shakes head*

But that's okay. Wolverine isn't as PIS-filled as a lot of people argue, he just is disliked by a majority here, so many of his feats are labelled as PIS.

And, hell, maybe some of them are, but no more than some of Spiderman's PIS feats, or Captain America's, or Daredevils.

The latter characters just aren't brought up as much, not to mention that the latter characters aren't half as annoying as some Wolverine fanboys.

Though Wolverine fanboys aren't half as annoying as Hulk fanboys.

Who aren't really quite as annoying as Storm fanboys.....

Originally posted by python99
So is wolverine's healing factor better than the Hulk? I dont think so.
Marvel official stats say Wolverine can heal from almost any form of injury but he can die from too much blood loss or damag to vitale organs. Well if wolverine can comback from a single cell than so can the hulk. If Wolverine gets his neck snapped would he die. In the fight with spidey in the cemetary he basically provoked Spidey to snap his neck.
Logan himself knew it would kill him. There is PIS floating around somewhere don't you think. 😄

Originally posted by KharmaDog
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Originally posted by norrinradd43
now somehow you know my intentions...damn

This is indeed one of the most entertaining threads in a while.

Calling yourself a retard? Both witty and perseptive. That type of self awareness will take you a long way.

Doesn't this go against what your sensei taught you. (that was sarcasm)

I would say the same to you. I offer you free room and board to come up here and spar with me at a gym. Or, pm me your address and I will come down to your neck of the woods.

Sage advise that you yourself should follow my self delluded crime-fighting-wanna-be friend.

**** YOU

Originally posted by Sam Z
Don't believe everything Marvel says. There isn't a single bio that matches actual characters abilities. Besides, Wolverine's neck can't be snapped. And Wolverine's healing factor is comparable to Hulk's, it may not be as fast but it heals better I think. And I still say that Wolverine can only come back if there is something left to regenerate from.

Thats your oppinion though I don't agree

Originally posted by capt it up
Thats your oppinion though I don't agree

Yeah. That's my opinion, but this ^ is only a part of it. My full opinion is stated on the previous page.

Originally posted by capt it up
Thats your oppinion though I don't agree

Originally posted by norrinradd43
[QUOTE=7871294]Originally posted by capt it up
[B]No it's not did you not hear me when I said he is now immortal or are you dense?

So all of a sudden out of the blue Wolverine is immortal...I can buy into him being extremely long lived and immune to disease but this immortal wolverine S*** is stupid and its poor writing

in the 616 marvel universe:
wolverine's regenerated from a drop of blood,
came back from being cruxified,
came back from the dead when the hand mangled him,
has survived being set completely on fire numerous times,
survived having ALL of his organs turned to jelly by hulk punches,
came back after his heart exploded in secret war,
came back when his heart stopped in captain america/wolverine 4 part
came back when all of his functions stopped after having his admantium ripped out.
came bak after being hit by a nuke
it's not at all an all of the sudden sort of thing man.. it's just the only comic that's tried to justify it.. 😬

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wolverine hitting Spiderman, biggest piece of PIS EVER. 😗 😖hifty:

The drop of blood required the power of the Crystal of Ultimate Vision, he was held together telekinetically by Jean when Magneto pulled the adamantium out. The "nuke" failed to blow up his pants. I.e. in the previous instances extenuating circumstances were given and/or his body was still largely present.

Nuke vs Wolverine is the only instance in which he has regenerated from literally nothing. I.e. it is unprecedented. Lazy writing.

Originally posted by Decay
wolverine cutting thanos does seem a bit stupid. thanos can take direct hits from the surfer and go on. his skin might be less durable than adamantium, but how is wolverine supposed to have the strength to put that kind of force behind his claws?

Originally posted by Decay
although some people will argue it, i havent seen any official marvel info stating he has super human strength. ive heard alot of stupid things happening with wolverine but none off the top of my head. i think ive heard alot more stupid claims on this forum about him than anything else.

what are you talking about?

wolverine's described as having enhanced strength in new thunderbolts.
wolverine is said to have his peak human strength multiplied by three times in the weapon x novel.
wolverine has tons of inhuman strengh feats like throwing a dumpster from one side of an alley to another with one hand, breaking out of unbreakable restraints, curling an elevator full of people, obliterating restraints that kept characters like beast and rogue tied up, he easily punched through a metallic training dummy and then proceeded to LITERALLY ring it's metallic neck with intents from the crushing strength of his fingers, he's arguably punched down a titanium door, his latest marvel stat put his strength on level 4 (the same as sabretooth), though I don't agree with afew of those things I've just stated, it's pretty clearly evident that wolverine has at least SOME degree of superhuman strength.

They clearly weren't unbreakable restraints if he broke out of them. 😑

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The drop of blood required the power of the Crystal of Ultimate Vision,

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
he was held together telekinetically by Jean when Magneto pulled the adamantium out.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The "nuke" failed to blow up his pants.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nuke vs Wolverine is the only instance in which he has regenerated from literally nothing. I.e. it is unprecedented. Lazy writing.

in any case it wasn't literally nothing by the way... there was organic tissue in his admantium skull... remember his eyes are still present when he got blasted...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
They clearly weren't unbreakable restraints if he broke out of them. 😑

Originally posted by python99
So is wolverine's healing factor better than the Hulk? I dont think so.
Marvel official stats say Wolverine can heal from almost any form of injury but he can die from too much blood loss or damag to vitale organs. Well if wolverine can comback from a single cell than so can the hulk. If Wolverine gets his neck snapped would he die. In the fight with spidey in the cemetary he basically provoked Spidey to snap his neck.
Logan himself knew it would kill him. There is PIS floating around somewhere don't you think. 😄

stats are wropng all the time.. un.ess you honestly belive that wolverine is as strong as sabretooth currently?
or that sabretooth was as strong as a peak human in circa 1990-2000. 🤨

the handook and database may STATE that but they've been proven wrong at every turn save alternate universes... it's all about what wolverine does not what some people think he SHOULD do..

and wolverine's neck can't be snapped like that.. that may have been what wolverine THOUGHT at the time.. perhaps... or maybe wolverine just said that to stop the fight and calm spidey down... in either case sabretooth tired that tactic and failed proving wolverine and spiderman and ANYONE WHO EVER SAYS THAT wrong... period.

Originally posted by jinzin
he was still dead.. it was his mutant regneration that he atributed to his reason for being able to come back.. the crystal jstprovived the energy to allow it to happen... point still stands.. he dided... he cameback...

Originally posted by jinzin
of course she held him together as far as she knew wolverine neededed it... as far as she knew... he was dead in both body and spirit.... guess what... he came back.

Originally posted by jinzin
regulations, didn't want wolvie running around naked throught the next 2 issues... even then before that the suit used his plasma weapon on wolverine that blasted him into an adamntium skeleton, wolverine came back.. period.
wrong, as "the suit" incident wolverine did the same damned thing....

Originally posted by jinzin
in any case it wasn't literally nothing by the way... there was organic tissue in his admantium skull... remember his eyes are still present when he got blasted...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The Crystal's power was requisite though.
He wasn't dead. Jean said something along the lines that he was still alive.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So in this previous instance he was reduced to a skeleton without any biological material remaining?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Artistic license of the kind with the pants probably. The temperatures would have probably been sufficient to kill osteocytes, let alone ocular tissues. DNA denatures at relatively low temperatures.

Originally posted by jinzin
woops I mean to put an " " around the word unbreakable.. in any case it was an impressive strengh feat.

Not really...

Everyone this side of Uncle Ben has had a showing where a big bad guy put them in restraints that he couldn't possibly get out of.

Followed by, on the next page, the character easily wretching them from his body.

Though I'm not disputing Wolverines' strength in the least. I agree that he is enhanced human - there is pretty much no evidence that would say otherwise.

Just saying that breaking the unbreakable isn't impressive in comics. It's the status quo.

Edit: As far as Nitro goes, I believe that is Wolverine's new status quo, what with the immortality and all. It isn't PIS, in my opinion, considering they devoted nearly an ENTIRE ISSUE to explaining Wolverine's immortality....

Also, considering the temperatures Wolverine was at, I gotta agree with X - all of the DNA would have been destroyed, and his bones would have been dust, inside the adamantium.

meh I guess at some degree you're probably right about that...

Originally posted by Soljer
Edit: As far as Nitro goes, I believe that is Wolverine's new status quo, what with the immortality and all. It isn't PIS, in my opinion, considering they devoted nearly an ENTIRE ISSUE to explaining Wolverine's immortality....

Originally posted by jinzin
in any case that's the reason that we got from the writer.

Also does this mean X-23 has to do the same thing and is also "immortal"?

Originally posted by jinzin
stats are wropng all the time.. un.ess you honestly belive that wolverine is as strong as sabretooth currently?
or that sabretooth was as strong as a peak human in circa 1990-2000. 🤨

the handook and database may STATE that but they've been proven wrong at every turn save alternate universes... it's all about what wolverine does not what some people think he SHOULD do..

and wolverine's neck can't be snapped like that.. that may have been what wolverine THOUGHT at the time.. perhaps... or maybe wolverine just said that to stop the fight and calm spidey down... in either case sabretooth tired that tactic and failed proving wolverine and spiderman and ANYONE WHO EVER SAYS THAT wrong... period.

I understand what you are saying but Wolverine VOL # 1, I think its 1 or 2 but whatever, Wolverine had a fight with with some martial artist Shang something I think his name was Shang;anyways, Wolverie took a beating and it took him months to recover. The problem most people have on here is that Wolverine healing factor never truly explains itself it just heals him from no matter what form of injury. We can argue all day that healing factor and durability are 2 different things but that would be a long debate. Wolverines durability or healing factor for that matter just seems constantly inconsistant. If Wolverines adamantium is unbreakable why does he need bandages around his while recovering from his injuries. How the hell can Wolverine survive from being nuked to his skeleton that should be instant death. Would te hulk survive a nuke blast? I dont think the marvel official stats are wrong or proven to be wrong I think it comes to the writers of certain comic characters give the people what they want or expect from their characters even if its far beyond what they are capable of doing