Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's still pretty cop out writing imo. Superfluous and out of left field. No "Why?" is really given and I'm not really sure if one will be given.Also does this mean X-23 has to do the same thing and is also "immortal"?
Cop out? Yeah, I'll agree with you there.
But it's still a cop out in the direction the writers decided to take Wolverine. It's not like we can ignore it, just because it isn't the best writing, story wise.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotI once dismissed his pants surviving from that nuke to be quite stupid as well. I thought that there could be no rational explanation for it. But I thought about it a little more. So for this No-Prize, you just have to read the last issue of 'Galactic Storm,' Avengers #347. Wonderman and Vision survive the point blank explosion of a negabomb. Vision explains it by analogy to the Hiroshima atomic bomb and how a building in the epicenter survived the blast because a vacuum was created. Now, whether or not this is an historically inaccurate telling, there are buildings that survived the epicenter of the atomic bomb drop and remain as landmarks.
The drop of blood required the power of the Crystal of Ultimate Vision, he was held together telekinetically by Jean when Magneto pulled the adamantium out. The "nuke" failed to blow up his pants. I.e. in the previous instances extenuating circumstances were given and/or his body was still largely present.Nuke vs Wolverine is the only instance in which he has regenerated from literally nothing. I.e. it is unprecedented. Lazy writing.
Also, Wolverine is not immortal. There is nothing in the story that indicates that he is like Mr. Immortal. His regeneration is very simple in theory when "everything" is burned away. His adamantium protects not only his actual bones but his bone marrow. All his bone marrow still remains, which is a significant basis to start regeneration from, especially considering that bone marrow is completely responsible for blood regeneration. The adamantium also probably protects a portion of what's inside his skull. While most of what was in his noggin is burned away, enough probably remains as decent buffer for regeneration of his brain.
But the bone marrow explanation begs another question. If his bones are laced, how can bone marrow generate cells outside his bones? Well... the bone is porous, so I'm guessing that when the adamantium bonds, it preserves the porous nature. While it sounds improbable initially, titanium rods are known to bond quite well with bone mass on the cellular level in implants. So some kind of reverse analogy probably applies here. Anyway, Wolverine's continued healing powers are still a result of a scientific mutation IMHO and not some 'immortality imperative.' The question of his confrontations during 'death' are just a derivative of the usual close encounters with Death that many characters have. More likely, it is his inner demons playing themselves out during traumatic episodes. Thanos has them aplenty and so do other characters. There is no reason to believe that Wolverine is de facto immortal from Wolverine #48.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine once knocked a helicopter out of the air by throwing a wretch at it... Does that make the hall of fame?
depends. 3 possibilites that would make sense and no PIS
1. wrentch hit blades and copter went out
2. wrencth hit critical engine component
3. wrentch hit the pilot
Originally posted by capt it up
I never called my self retarded.
Originally posted by norrinradd43
now somehow you know my intentions...damnOriginally posted by capt it up
it pritty easy to see hell a retard would know your intentions.
By saying that a retard would know his intentions, then admitting that you believe you see his intentions, you implicate yourself. And the snappy communications skills don't help either.
Originally posted by capt it up
You just love being an ass whole to me for no reason. really don't you have any thing better to do then be a prick?
You need to relax and get a funny bone. You also gotta calm down on the hostility. The name calling is rather childish also.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
By saying that a retard would know his intentions, then admitting that you believe you see his intentions, you implicate yourself. And the snappy communications skills don't help either.You need to relax and get a funny bone. You also gotta calm down on the hostility. The name calling is rather childish also.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotI'm really not certain
It's still pretty cop out writing imo. Superfluous and out of left field. No "Why?" is really given and I'm not really sure if one will be given.Also does this mean X-23 has to do the same thing and is also "immortal"?
Originally posted by python99
I understand what you are saying but Wolverine VOL # 1, I think its 1 or 2 but whatever, Wolverine had a fight with with some martial artist Shang something I think his name was Shang;anyways, Wolverie took a beating and it took him months to recover. The problem most people have on here is that Wolverine healing factor never truly explains itself it just heals him from no matter what form of injury. We can argue all day that healing factor and durability are 2 different things but that would be a long debate. Wolverines durability or healing factor for that matter just seems constantly inconsistant. If Wolverines adamantium is unbreakable why does he need bandages around his while recovering from his injuries. How the hell can Wolverine survive from being nuked to his skeleton that should be instant death. Would te hulk survive a nuke blast? I dont think the marvel official stats are wrong or proven to be wrong I think it comes to the writers of certain comic characters give the people what they want or expect from their characters even if its far beyond what they are capable of doing
well for one, you're talking about old school wolverine, ignoring the fact that his healing factor has been growing stronger and stronger over the years...
two: the martial artist is called shingen
three: wolverine didn't take months to recover from the beating... no statement is ever made like that ANYWHERE. he however did take months to come to grips with the shame that he displayed infront of his lady mariko.
four:wolverine doesn't have bandages to recover from wounds sans the cartoon or early bone claw appearances so I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about there anyways...
five: darkcrawler already showed how marvel stats ARE WRONG... period.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I once dismissed his pants surviving from that nuke to be quite stupid as well. I thought that there could be no rational explanation for it. But I thought about it a little more. So for this No-Prize, you just have to read the last issue of 'Galactic Storm,' Avengers #347. Wonderman and Vision survive the point blank explosion of a negabomb. Vision explains it by analogy to the Hiroshima atomic bomb and how a building in the epicenter survived the blast because a vacuum was created. Now, whether or not this is an historically inaccurate telling, there are buildings that survived the epicenter of the atomic bomb drop and remain as landmarks.Also, Wolverine is not immortal. There is nothing in the story that indicates that he is like Mr. Immortal. His regeneration is very simple in theory when "everything" is burned away. His adamantium protects not only his actual bones but his bone marrow. All his bone marrow still remains, which is a significant basis to start regeneration from, especially considering that bone marrow is completely responsible for blood regeneration. The adamantium also probably protects a portion of what's inside his skull. While most of what was in his noggin is burned away, enough probably remains as decent buffer for regeneration of his brain.
But the bone marrow explanation begs another question. If his bones are laced, how can bone marrow generate cells outside his bones? Well... the bone is porous, so I'm guessing that when the adamantium bonds, it preserves the porous nature. While it sounds improbable initially, titanium rods are known to bond quite well with bone mass on the cellular level in implants. So some kind of reverse analogy probably applies here. Anyway, Wolverine's continued healing powers are still a result of a scientific mutation IMHO and not some 'immortality imperative.' The question of his confrontations during 'death' are just a derivative of the usual close encounters with Death that many characters have. More likely, it is his inner demons playing themselves out during traumatic episodes. Thanos has them aplenty and so do other characters. There is no reason to believe that Wolverine is de facto immortal from Wolverine #48.
no arguments but I thought you may like to know. this is explained in the weapon x novel...
nanotech was used during the bonding process to ensure the bones still had porosity.
Originally posted by jinzin
well for one, you're talking about old school wolverine, ignoring the fact that his healing factor has been growing stronger and stronger over the years...two: the martial artist is called shingen
three: wolverine didn't take months to recover from the beating... no statement is ever made like that ANYWHERE. he however did take months to come to grips with the shame that he displayed infront of his lady mariko.
four:wolverine doesn't have bandages to recover from wounds sans the cartoon or early bone claw appearances so I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about there anyways...
five: darkcrawler already showed how marvel stats ARE WRONG... period.
You are right about one thing Wolverines healing powers have increased there is no denying it.
2) It took Wolverine months to recover http://www.marvel.com/universe/Wolverine_(James_Howlett)
read his powers and abilities there you will find the statement and fact that you are looking for direct from marvel.
3) regardless of when he had bandages and where it does not matter. Are you saying its not true? Cartoon early bone claw appearances its still the same character and the point I made is true.
Yeah darkcrawler showed marvel stats to be wrong 🙄. Who cares what Marvel says or does with there characters lets just make everyone happy right? C'mon man Marvel stats over the early years have been pretty consistent no matter where you look they have been consistant. Now we have all this power upgrading going on and alternate realities and dimesions and such its hard to keep up with who can do what and who can beat who. Marvel stats are not wrong they have been somewhat changed over the years depending on whether you look at it from a classic or current purspective. PERIOD
Originally posted by python99
You are right about one thing Wolverines healing powers have increased there is no denying it.
2) It took Wolverine months to recover http://www.marvel.com/universe/Wolverine_(James_Howlett)
read his powers and abilities there you will find the statement and fact that you are looking for direct from marvel.
3) regardless of when he had bandages and where it does not matter. Are you saying its not true? Cartoon early bone claw appearances its still the same character and the point I made is true.
Yeah darkcrawler showed marvel stats to be wrong 🙄. Who cares what Marvel says or does with there characters lets just make everyone happy right? C'mon man Marvel stats over the early years have been pretty consistent no matter where you look they have been consistant. Now we have all this power upgrading going on and alternate realities and dimesions and such its hard to keep up with who can do what and who can beat who. Marvel stats are not wrong they have been somewhat changed over the years depending on whether you look at it from a classic or current purspective. PERIOD
Marvel stats are VERY inconsistent. Period. 😉.
Also, the Cartoon is NOT the same thing as the comic version. Puh-lease, where are you getting this shit from? 😬.
Your comic knowledge seems to be limited, at best.
Non existent, more likely.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine once knocked a helicopter out of the air by throwing a wretch at it... Does that make the hall of fame?
Originally posted by masterbruce
depends. 3 possibilites that would make sense and no PIS1. wrentch hit blades and copter went out
2. wrencth hit critical engine component
3. wrentch hit the pilot
Originally posted by bigbran
😐
Originally posted by Soljer
Marvel stats are VERY inconsistent. Period. 😉.Also, the Cartoon is NOT the same thing as the comic version. Puh-lease, where are you getting this shit from? 😬.
Your comic knowledge seems to be limited, at best.
Non existent, more likely.
What I said was that marvel stats early on were pretty much consistant, and now with all the power upgrading on it is easy to say that they are inconsitant but not wrong.
Comics and television are not the same,agreed. You must understand that the characters portraid are the same, whether thay do what they are capable of or not. Wolverine is the same badass he is in the cartoon as he is in the comics. They are not entirely the same but also not blown out of proportion.
I am not no comic GURU and I am sure you are not either. 😉
Anyone can say that someone else's comics knowledge is limited or non existent, you have not backed up anything with you knowlegde of comics. So now with all these different realities and alter egos and upgrades and all these other stuff. The writers give the comsumers what they want to see, stats will change, new charcters will emerge, current charcters will grow stronger.