Originally posted by AllianceHe only said the pt duelers were in their prime of dueling, he never said any pt dueler would automatically win, dont have to back up a liar alliance. Claiming that any pt character with a lightsaber would beat vader automatically is pure bull isnt it?
Yes he did. Watch the episode I web documentaries about "The Prime of the Jedi"
Originally posted by AllianceVader didnt get weaker after getting injured, he just lost most of his potential, And tell me, how is anakin going to kill vader when vader could kill some one when not being even there? Anakin couldnt even kill some one with force choke, [HINT] his wife who is not a force user. And did you forget that EU vader is c-canon? who would mop the floor with anakins ass
No its not.Vader was a decripit, unmotivated hulking cyborg. Scray, but not really adept at saber fighting. Like him all you want, Anakin would have kicked his plastic arse.
😆 This is unbearable.
First. Vader did get weaker. He lost he physical will to fight, and then he did relatively nothing for the rest of his carrer. He became an administrator.
Secondly, Vader didn't kill anyone when he was not present.
Third. Do you really think Anakin wanted to full out kill Padmé? If you do, thats a pretty shallow interpretation to confuse a passionate act of violence with attempted homicide. He said himself that he felt her alive, so he clearly wasn't trying to kill his wife. Hence your point is moot.
Lastly. I don't care about levels of cannon. The movies are cannon. Period. If you want to discuss EU, take it to the EU forum.
Originally posted by AllianceNo he didnt, if he got weaker then why did GL stated vader was 80% of Sidious? By the way, he only loss the potential to become twice as powerful as sidious, The 19 year gap fixes vaders disabilities as several novels pointed out. No need to say that "movie is higher canon" bullshit, because this doesnt contradict anything. Then tell me, if vader got so miserably weak as you are so fond of speaking, how was he able to kill opponents swiftly like he did in the purge? Even thought he nearly died when he got backstabbed?
😆 This is unbearable.First. Vader did get weaker. He lost he physical will to fight, and then he did relatively nothing for the rest of his carrer. He became an administrator.
Originally posted by AllianceWrong, he killed his commander in TESB when he was in his meditation chamber, you fail here
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Secondly, Vader didn't kill anyone when he was not present.
Originally posted by AllianceHe was in a state of rage wasnt he? And he was out to kill padme after he claimed she "betrayed" him, For what other reason would he choke her? If anakin was so damm protective of her would he have even choked her? No
Third. Do you really think Anakin wanted to full out kill Padmé? If you do, thats a pretty shallow interpretation to confuse a passionate act of violence with attempted homicide. He said himself that he felt her alive, so he clearly wasn't trying to kill his wife. Hence your point is moot.
Originally posted by Alliance
Lastly. I don't care about levels of cannon. The movies are cannon. Period. If you want to discuss EU, take it to the EU forum.
Then you can ignore the evidence i have provided, that the EU has proven vader above anakin, you fail again
And by the way, palpatine did state that vaders limitations were mental and not physical,
Vader rather improved rather than get worse as the years came by, maybe its time you accept that rather than say
"Z0mG! @n!kIn i$ B3tter B3Cuz h3 !$ f@$t3r!!!!!"
Originally posted by Tangible GodJust because i didnt reply doesnt mean shit
Ahem... pwned.
Kadesh, you do realise that it's a fact that Vader sucks ass, the highest and only true form of canon shows this, and GL has indicated as much, so any source that has Vader doing anything special is rendered invalid, simply because it contradicts the fact that Vader sucks ass, bad. Baring in mind, this is only in respect to saber dueling.
Originally posted by SexybackO yes i do, i so damm agree that the OT makes vader look like a pussy wow that pretty amazing.
Kadesh, you do realise that it's a fact that Vader sucks ass, the highest and only true form of canon shows this, and GL has indicated as much, so any source that has Vader doing anything special is rendered invalid, simply because it contradicts the fact that Vader sucks ass, bad. Baring in mind, this is only in respect to saber dueling.
Wrong captain planet, GL never stated that vader was weak, he himself stated vader was 80% as powerful as sidious and that palpatine made a statment saying vader had limitations due to his mentality, not his injuries.
And where was the quote that gl stated vader sucks ass? This point has been refuted by gideon, general kenobi and acstyles thousands of time and you still use it as an arguement
By the way, the things i listed, it was DECLARED c-canon, contradictions are handled by leland chee and a statement would come out, so far no statement = no contradiction = no evidence that vader sucks ass
Originally posted by Tangible God
Yeah that's right, I said that because you didn't reply.DOING!
*you just got hit in the head with a beach ball*
Your sarcasm fails miserably, i havnt even started to debate yet,
And i bear grudges against vader-haters, since he is pretty much the 2nd most underrated character besides nihilus
Originally posted by Kadesh
O yes i do, i so damm agree that the OT makes vader look like a pussy wow that pretty amazing.
Well it's nice that you agree.
Wrong captain planet, GL never stated that vader was weak, he himself stated vader was 80% as powerful as sidious
What don't you get about the 80% referring to Vader's force potential? I'm talking purely in respect to Vader's dueling.
and that palpatine made a statment saying vader had limitations due to his mentality, not his injuries.
Cryptic quotes won't change the fact that the highest form of canon shows Vader sucking ass, bad.
And where was the quote that gl stated vader sucks ass? This point has been refuted by gideon, general kenobi and acstyles thousands of time and you still use it as an arguement
Well he makes it clear that Vader is one slow piece of crap in the 'Prime of the Jedi' video.
By the way, the things i listed, it was DECLARED c-canon, contradictions are handled by leland chee and a statement would come out, so far no statement = no contradiction = no evidence that vader sucks ass
That's not how it works Kadesh, Leland Chee doesn't decide what are contradictions and what aren't, he's an LFL employee, that's all, if something's a contradiction, it just is, and a statement from an LFL employee doesn't confirm/dispute that. He just sorts through canon, he doesn't dictate things like that. Sure, the events that you mentioned themselves are canon, but anything inside the material that indicates or implies that Vader doesn't suck ass, bad, is rendered invalid, it's that simple.
Using his fight with 'Darth Maul' as an example, Leland Chee stated that the comic book issue and the fight itself are canon, that is correct, I wouldn't want to dispute that, but any panel that for example, shows Vader moving in blurs or anything like that would simply be rendered invalid. So the fight itself is in continuity, but anything inside the fight that contradicts the movies is rendered invalid, and can't be used in debates.
Originally posted by Kadesh
And i bear grudges against vader-haters, since he is pretty much the 2nd most underrated character besides nihilus
No one hates vader, we're just not phycho-obsessive idealizing fanboys, running around screaming "Z0mG! v@D3r i$ h@xX0rZ!!!!!" and talking about "c-canon which does not contradict G-canon" which no one really understands. You run around spewing this crap and then bite the head off everyone that is not some guy who wants Vader to rape him.
Basiacally, you're a hormone raging vader fanboy.
Lets clear this up, because I'm sure queeq and Ush wouldn't mind a clarification.
At KMC, there is ONE type of cannon, and its not some nerd's website, its the movies. Period. Its in the rules, read it yourself. If you have an issue, talk to the mods, but whatever other "cannons" you are using are not recognized here.