Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Oh. I thought EU was canon... SILLY ME!!! dohRegardless, Kit has shown us much more than ANY of the other background Jedi in the movies, excluding Ki-Adi-Mundi. He has the most screen time of ANY of the background Jedi (ex Ki AGAIN) in AOTC, and maybe even ROTS. In AOTC, he is one of FOUR Jedi to lead the Jedi Army into battle on Geonosis. As he runs into battle in the arena, he is easily the most noticeable (having been closest to the screen) and fastest Jedi there. He even manages to knock over the half battle-droid, half protocol-droid C-3PO in the arena, and smiles after a Super Battle Droid coincidentally lands on top of it.
In Episode III, he is one of three Jedi to put up some kind of fight against Darth Sidious. And personally, I thought he did VERY well (in fact, better than Mace at the time -- he only delivered TWO [very, VERY predictable and slow] blows to Sidious during that ENTIRE scene, although this is understandable considering the small amount of space he had to execute his Vaapad fueled moves) UNTIL he received that very unexpected and UNFAIR blow to the waist.
Kit certainly was NEVER afraid of delivering his absolute best in battle. We see that in both AOTC and ROTS. He has proven he is NOT weak, having PWNED wave after wave of battle droids, and being one of 20 Jedi to survive the extended Melee on Geonosis, and even managing to hold his own against the Sith Lord himself for a brief amount of time. He is a very courageous Jedi too -- in AOTC he had the guts to run HEADFIRST into battle against the battle droids, despite knowing he was obviously outnumbered. In ROTS, although it is a very subtle thing to note, Kit walks closest to Palpatine as the Jedi attempt to arrest him. It just goes to show that HE was not scared of the evil Sith Lord. This is further proven as he doesn't even hesitate to give the Sith Lord his best in battle as the two confront each other later on (unlike Agen and Saesee who failed to block two of possibly the easiest-to-block moves in HISTORY)
Plus, the fact that Sidious killed Kit just goes to show that only the Lord of the Sith himself could bring Kit down. In fact, I think being killed by a Sith Lord is the most honorable way a Jedi of Kit's caliber could go down. At least, it's better than being shot in the back, IMO.Counting EU or not, Kit is still by no means a WUSS. At least not to me. 🙂
Amazing,... you spend so much time defending Tentacle Head... and that for those few sparse moments of screen time he has. You have a vivid imagination based on those few seconds.
And yet, he still get totally PWN'ed by evil-sith-with-the-funny-faces. I bet it was one those weird looks that distracted this Twilek-mutant.
It's amazing how the basic form allows Kit Fisto to be better than mastery of the heaviest defence form (Obi Wan) and also better than the heaviest assault form.
Why do people even start learning other forms beside the basic one? Oh yeah, because suckers like Fisto immediately die when a sith like Palpatine charges upon them.
Now I doubt Obi Wan would have IMMEDIATELY died when he had his lightsaber ignited and seeing Palpatine come towards him but that's just my opinion.
By the way, what form did Plo Koon master then, Medvock? He had to at least mastered one to be a jedi master. Doesn't really matter though, probably any council member can pwn Fisto considering Shii-Cho is the first form of lightsaber combat every padawan is taught to fight with.
Amazing,... you spend so much time defending Tentacle Head... and that for those few sparse moments of screen time he has. You have a vivid imagination based on those few seconds.
Thank you! I suppose I do have quite a vivid imagination. 🙂
And yet, he still get totally PWN'ed by evil-sith-with-the-funny-faces. I bet it was one those weird looks that distracted this Twilek-mutant.
I wouldn't say TOTALLY pwned, based on what I've said about the duel earlier in this thread. He managed to hold his own against the Chancellor VERY well until he was unexpectedly slashed across the waist.
It's amazing how the basic form allows Kit Fisto to be better than mastery of the heaviest defence form (Obi Wan) and also better than the heaviest assault form.
What -- are you saying that the sheer mastery of form I alone allows Kit Fisto to be better than than the mastery of the heaviest defence form and ALSO better than the heaviest assault form? Wow! I didn't know that! Thanks for letting me know!
Why do people even start learning other forms beside the basic one? Oh yeah, because suckers like Fisto immediately die when a sith like Palpatine charges upon them.
That made very little sense to me. But that certainly isn't surprising, coming from someone like you (No offense)! The form a Jedi chooses to learn is ENTIRELY up to their own individual tastes. It just so happened that Kit was very fond of the ways of Form I, and so decided that instead of changing to another form, he would remain training under the ways of the ancient fighting form. And Kit didn't immediately die -- he managed to block a fair few (okay, maybe just a few) saber swings, and even delivered a few of his own attacks to the Sith Lord before he "bit the dust".
Now I doubt Obi Wan would have IMMEDIATELY died when he had his lightsaber ignited and seeing Palpatine come towards him but that's just my opinion.
Hey, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
By the way, what form did Plo Koon master then, Medvock? He had to at least mastered one to be a jedi master. Doesn't really matter though, probably any council member can pwn Fisto considering Shii-Cho is the first form of lightsaber combat every padawan is taught to fight with.
Hey, how the hell would I know? Sure, he had to master at least one form, but it's never even stated which form he uses, so what in the world made you say he uses Form V? And don't make the foolish mistake of thinking Kit as a weak duelist because of the form he uses. Padawans are only taught the very BASICS of Form I -- like how to block, swing a saber, etc. The form becomes much more complex when it is being mastered. Obi-Wan was in awe as he watched Kit fight in the ways of Shii-Cho. It takes a high level of mastery and skill to awe a Jedi of THAT much esteem and experience, surely. But remember, it's also the fact that Kit's naturally very flexible, fast and has a sense of timing "faster than common sense itself" that contribute as to why he is as great a duelist he is. Not just because of his sheer mastery of form I.
Anyway, I'd be very willing to believe Plo is in fact a better duelist than Kit, if only you provide some information about how skilled he is in the ways of a light saber. Because nothing, as far as I can recall, has been stated about Plo's fighting skills that is as impressive as what has been stated about Kit's, I find it only reasonable to believe that Kit is actually the greater duelist. At least more reasonable than it is to believe Plo is better, especially considering the fact we haven't even SEEN him fight. But meh, as I said, I don't really care. Kit's still uber-cool regardless!!! 🙂
What -- are you saying that the sheer mastery of form I alone allows Kit Fisto to be better than than the mastery of the heaviest defence form and ALSO better than the heaviest assault form? Wow! I didn't know that! Thanks for letting me know!
You got some disorder, right? Keep my messages apart instead of breaking them up like a child to make them lose context.
That made very little sense to me. But that certainly isn't surprising, coming from someone like you (No offense)! The form a Jedi chooses to learn is ENTIRELY up to their own individual tastes. It just so happened that Kit was very fond of the ways of Form I, and so decided that instead of changing to another form, he would remain training under the ways of the ancient fighting form. And Kit didn't immediately die -- he managed to block a fair few (okay, maybe just a few) saber swings, and even delivered a few of his own attacks to the Sith Lord before he "bit the dust".
Coming from someone like me? And who are you, a Godly fanboy who knows everything? I'm talking about the reason why there are other lightsaber forms and why they even exist.
Perhaps Fisto chose to excell in form 1 to teach others, perhaps because sith were thought to be extinct. Sorry to burst teh bubble, boy. But Fisto is still a passive man and no fighting machine made for pwning.
Hey, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
You actually think Obi Wan would do worse against Palpatine than Fisto because Fisto > Obi Wan? I can't take that serious.
what in the world made you say he uses Form V?
Just don't ask. Do a background check if you insist or something, but just take it from me that Koon's character used form V.
Obi-Wan was in awe as he watched Kit fight in the ways of Shii-Cho. It takes a high level of mastery and skill to awe a Jedi of THAT much esteem and experience, surely. But remember, it's also the fact that Kit's naturally very flexible, fast and has a sense of timing "faster than common sense itself" that contribute as to why he is as great a duelist he is. Not just because of his sheer mastery of form I.
Source please, the movies indicate otherwise. Perhaps you can explain what specifies the basic form then and what makes it so difficult to master if you're such an expert.
From what I know, it's still the basics which are used for using a lightsaber.
Anyway, I'd be very willing to believe Plo is in fact a better duelist than Kit, if only you provide some information about how skilled he is in the ways of a light saber. Because nothing, as far as I can recall, has been stated about Plo's fighting skills that is as impressive as what has been stated about Kit's, I find it only reasonable to believe that Kit is actually the greater duelist. At least more reasonable than it is to believe Plo is better, especially considering the fact we haven't even SEEN him fight. But meh, as I said, I don't really care. Kit's still uber-cool regardless!!!
Who cares about Plo Koon. You seem to think Kit Fisto is actually one of the best jedi masters there are. You know jack about Plo Koon but can say with ease that Fisto > Plo Koon and others.
I think this is all fanboyism based on absolutely nothing but imagination.
You got some disorder, right? Keep my messages apart instead of breaking them up like a child to make them lose context.
No, not that I know of. And I did, actually, read your entire message in order to try and comprehend what you were saying, and that is honestly what I thought you meant.
Coming from someone like me? And who are you, a Godly fanboy who knows everything?
I wish!
I'm talking about the reason why there are other lightsaber forms and why they even exist.
Perhaps Fisto chose to excell in form 1 to teach others, perhaps because sith were thought to be extinct.
Perhaps. Or maybe he just LIKED the ways of form I, and instead of switching to another form, he decided to remain training under the ways of the form?
In Cestus Deception, it even states that one's Fighting Style greatly depends on the individual's taste:
"Combat style was an exceedingly personal choice"
Sorry to burst teh bubble, boy. But Fisto is still a passive man and no fighting machine made for pwning.
Just like all Jedi?
You actually think Obi Wan would do worse against Palpatine than Fisto because Fisto > Obi Wan? I can't take that serious.
Did I ever even say that? Nay, so stop assuming things.
Just don't ask. Do a background check if you insist or something, but just take it from me that Koon's character used form V.
Just as you ask me to provide proof in the quote below, I will now ask you to provide proof that Koon uses Form V. I don't see how it is fair that I should believe you when you haven't even provided any proof, AT ALL.
Source please, the movies indicate otherwise. Perhaps you can explain what specifies the basic form then and what makes it so difficult to master if you're such an expert.
From what I know, it's still the basics which are used for using a lightsaber
Sure. I'll give you some quotes.
"Form I was wild, raw and deadly. It also required too much emotional heat for Obi-Wan's taste"
"Kit's chaotic, unpredictable approach had given the Nautolan an advantage against the machine. Obi-Wan's own more measured response might well have proven less effective"
"Kit's emerald lightsaber blade was here, there, everywhere: unpredictable, irresistible."
"Obi-Wan swiftly discovered that Kit was the better swordfighter, astonishingly aggressive and inituitive in comparison with Obi-Wan's more measured style."
"Obi-Wan found his attention straying from the JK, focusing instead on Kit, admiring the strength of his stance, the clarity of his angles as he chose lines of engagement. Kit favored the Form I style of combat, a fierce--" and then it cuts off, unfortunately.
In conclusion, as you can see, the ways of Form I are quite different to what you seem to perceive them as. According to Cestus Deception, Form I is wild, raw, and deadly, requiring much emotional heat to master. Again, as I said, not just anyone could Master Form I. Also, on numerous occasions Kit's described as very unpredictable and aggressive when he fights. Perhaps that could be Form I's doing, as it has been described as "wild, raw and deadly" by itself, or maybe that's Kit implementing his own personal touch to the fighting form. Regardless, don't underestimate Kit because he uses Form I! I've proven here he is a much greater duelist than what you think.
Anyways, here are a few more quotes to back up the statements I made earlier:
"What he saw as the Nautolan increased his efforts almost broke Obi-Wan's concentration. His companion was a living, martial hurricane, his body moving in two and three directions at once, joints flexing, unlimited by human vertebral restraints. Who he touched went down. And those who went down, stayed down."
"He rode the JK's yanking motion instead of fighting it, slipping between the tendrils, the Nautolan's sense of timing faster and more precise than common sense itself"
"Kit accelerated into a blur of motion complex and rapid enough to baffle even obi-wan's experienced gaze"
"His attack was absolute fluidity, one motion flowing into the next, without a wasted effort"
"But Kit was far from vanquished. As if he, too, had merely been playing a game, he crouched and leapt forward, spinning on his body's vertical axis like some kind of carnival acrobat, surging directly at the JK."
Who cares about Plo Koon. You seem to think Kit Fisto is actually one of the best jedi masters there are.
Yes! I do! You still haven't figured that out yet?
You know jack about Plo Koon but can say with ease that Fisto > Plo Koon and others.
I can say the ABSOLUTE same to you about Kit!
I think this is all fanboyism based on absolutely nothing but imagination.
And a sh!t load of quotes! 🙂