Originally posted by MEDVOCK
[b]You know jack about Plo Koon but can say with ease that Fisto > Plo Koon and others.And as I said before, I'd be VERY willing to believe that Plo is a greater duelist than Kit if you could provide a reason as to WHY. [/B]
I have the same question about Kit.... what reason?
Perhaps. Or maybe he just LIKED the ways of form I, and instead of switching to another form, he decided to remain training under the ways of the form?
In Cestus Deception, it even states that one's Fighting Style greatly depends on the individual's taste:
"Combat style was an exceedingly personal choice"
What is this relevant to? Do you think I have another opinion to why jedi go on with a fighting form? But back to the original question. Why would other lightsaber forms be invented if mastering form I was already incredible to fight with.
I'll tell you, because it's everyone was taught it at first and does not give any advantages against other duelists.
Just like all Jedi?
Try to restrain from breaking my texts apart. I tried to explain the reason why Fisto chose never to use a good fighting form to make sure he wouldn't get pwned by sith.
Did I ever even say that? Nay, so stop assuming things.
Why would I assume that? Maybe you shouldn't agree Fisto is better when someone screams how, instead of suddenly making it unclear what you think. Why is that anyway?
Sure. I'll give you some quotes.
I asked for a source indicating that form I is extremely difficult to master. Not some cooky lines about a force user who is unpredictable and wild which could be said about the next jedi master or sith as well.
Yes! I do! You still haven't figured that out yet?
According to the movies, he's still one of the worst masters and not on the level of Anakin, Obi Wan, Dooku, Mace etc. That's pretty sad you actually count Fisto in because of some retarded quotes about how wild he is. Perhaps you should alter your opinion?
I can say the ABSOLUTE same to you about Kit!
Aww.. Is that right? How much do you think I actually care? I laughed about how certain you are Fisto is better in dueling than Plo even though you know nothing about Plo Koon.. and then the whole nuthouse opened up once more.
And a sh!t load of quotes!
lol yeah, a bunch of vague cooky quotes lets you assume Fisto or at least form I is incredible.
What was the source of Fisto having better senses than others by the way? It's a pretty funny line, considering Fisto just stood there while someone prepared an attack on him from ten miles away.
I have the same question about Kit.... what reason?
Well, the general reason that a crap load of better things have been said about Kit’s fighting skills compared to Plo’s (like Kit's saber skills being stated as "unpredictable", "irresistible", "wild", "deadly", "aggressive", "intuitive", "chaotic", etc) and the fact that Plo has engaged in lightsaber combat very few times in the past (from what I know), and the fact that Kit’s obviously much more faster (moves being described as a "blur" in CD) and flexible (unlimited vertebrae) than Plo, which does count as quite a significant advantage.
Perhaps. Or maybe he just LIKED the ways of form I, and instead of switching to another form, he decided to remain training under the ways of the form?
In Cestus Deception, it even states that one's Fighting Style greatly depends on the individual's taste:
"Combat style was an exceedingly personal choice"
What is this relevant to?
= Perhaps Fisto chose to excell in form 1 to teach others, perhaps because sith were thought to be extinct.
THAT.
Do you think I have another opinion to why jedi go on with a fighting form? But back to the original question. Why would other lightsaber forms be invented if mastering form I was already incredible to fight with.
I'll tell you, because it's everyone was taught it at first and does not give any advantages against other duelists.
Once again, Jedi are only taught the very BASICS of form I, they DO NOT fully master it. Kit Fisto has been the ONLY JEDI known to fully master the form. According to Cestus Deception, Form I allowed Kit to be “unpredictable”, “aggressive”, etc. This seemed to give him quite an advantage over Obi-Wan when they were dueling.
Try to restrain from breaking my texts apart. I tried to explain the reason why Fisto chose never to use a good fighting form to make sure he wouldn't get pwned by sith.
Sorry to burst teh bubble, boy. But Fisto is still a passive man and no fighting machine made for pwning.
I just thought you meant that about kit in general, which is why I replied with “Just like all Jedi?”.
And I apologise for breaking your texts apart. I tend to respond to every single bit of someone’s post, and not leave ANYTHING behind. Unlike you, it would seem.
You still haven’t responded to:
Just as you ask me to provide proof in the quote below, I will now ask you to provide proof that Koon uses Form V. I don't see how it is fair that I should believe you when you haven't even provided any proof, AT ALL.
Why would I assume that? Maybe you shouldn't agree Fisto is better when someone screams how, instead of suddenly making it unclear what you think. Why is that anyway?
Blame my terrible comprehension skills, but that made no sense to me at all. In your post, you made it clear that I thought Obi-Wan would not last any longer than Kit did against Sidious, when I never even stated I thought that. All I said in response to your statement being “I’m sure Obi-Wan would’ve lasted longer against Sidious” was, and I quote, “Hey, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion”. I never stated I disagreed. If this is about how Kit is better than Obi-Wan, I’ve proven that in my last post with a quote. I don’t find it necessary to explain how I think he’s better when it’s already stated in a canonical source.
I asked for a source indicating that form I is extremely difficult to master. Not some cooky lines about a force user who is unpredictable and wild which could be said about the next jedi master or sith as well.
Well, if the fact that it requires a lot of “emotional heat” (obi-wan even stating too much for his taste) and the fact that it places its user in MUCH danger because of how “wild, raw and deadly” it is does not prove that it is a difficult form to master to you, than what in the hell will?
According to the movies, he's still one of the worst masters and not on the level of Anakin, Obi Wan, Dooku, Mace etc. That's pretty sad you actually count Fisto in because of some retarded quotes about how wild he is. Perhaps you should alter your opinion?
Naa. Firstly, tell me how the movies make out Kit to be one of the worst masters. If your only reason for that is because he lost to Sidious, then please explain why. Sidious was THE sith lord of ALL sith (at the time). I don’t see how managing to block two blows and even dealing his own blow to Sidious, and then getting unexpectedly slashed across the waist immediately makes him one of the worst masters.
Aww.. Is that right? How much do you think I actually care? I laughed about how certain you are Fisto is better in dueling than Plo even though you know nothing about Plo Koon.. and then the whole nuthouse opened up once more.
I’m actually beginning to think I know more about Plo Koon than you, Overlord. You have not even provided ONE canonical fact about Plo’s saber prowess. And here you are, laughing at me – someone who has provided FACTS to support my assumption of Kit > Plo saber-wise. As I said about 5 times before, I'd be VERY willing to believe Plo's a better duelist than Kit if you could provide a reason as to WHY.
lol yeah, a bunch of vague cooky quotes lets you assume Fisto or at least form I is incredible.
No, but it does let me assume that Kit’s more incredible than Plo, saber-wise. At least more so than it makes sense for you to say Plo > Fisto saber-wise, especially considering Plo’s saber-skills have never been described NEARLY as greatly as Kit’s have.
What was the source of Fisto having better senses than others by the way? It's a pretty funny line, considering Fisto just stood there while someone prepared an attack on him from ten miles away.
You mean his sense of timing being faster than common sense itself? That’s a quote from Cestus Deception.
Fisto just stood there, aye? Funny, I don’t recall Mace moving that much either, as Sidious cut down two fellow Jedi Masters right alongside him. And Kit had his arms RAISED up in the air, and had just completed a 360 degree spin when Sidious slashed him across the waist. Nothing could have saved Kit at the time. Not even his sense of timing.
And Sids started his attack on Kit while he was RIGHT NEXT TO HIM, not when he was ten miles away. I think you're mistaking Kit for Agen.
Canonwise, we know nothing about Fisto, except that he got PWN'ed by that slow moving Palpy with the funny faces.
That is if you don’t count the Star Wars novels as canon, which I, personally, do. Similarly, we know nothing about Plo from the movies either, except that he got PWN’ed in the air by Clone Troopers, and that he and Ki-Adi led a failed attempt to try and deactivate the droid control ship on Geonosis.
Even comparing their appearances in the movies, Kit is MUCH more impressive than Plo.