Originally posted by Space M ummy
Every single goddamn time.with only 5 minutes of prep time, Batman is out of his league here. Some posters forget that characters like Spiderman (and superman, for that matter) hold back a LOT when fighting street levelers. For forum battles, all bets are OFF. this doesn't happen.
Spidey has class 10+ strength. ten tons is a HELL of a lot of weight. Your average car is maybe only two tons. Bruce surviving a full hit to the face (or anywhere, really) is about as likely as bruce surving a hit by a speeding semi.
consider also that spider man is a PRECOGNITIVE who's fast enough to not only dodge bullets but catch them, and bruce is screwed. He's only peak human. PIS/CIS off, his moves will appear to be going in slow motion to parker. Gadgets be damned, as soon as his hand BEGINS to go for his belt, he's paste.
Spiderman 10/10.
Pertty much, yes.
One thing, though
The batman vs superman fight in HUSH was extremely well written, (in which batman also acknolwedged that superman could destory him if he chose to) and had batman having the upper hand
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
yet he was almost killed by Jack '0' Lantern and The Jester...
He'd also been through Vibranium reinforced glass, and fought Iron Man beforehand, and the fact that he was being pursued and scared to death about his family. To be honest, I'm not suprised it happened the way it did.
Originally posted by marvelprince
After he launched himself into vibranium reinforced glass, got shot through it and fell who knows how many stories to the ground. Yea, thats a fair fight
You know, I read that fight and there wasn't much of a fight there. It lasted a couple panels and there was mostly talking. And running into a wall doesn't do too much damage to someone like spiderman regardless of how dense it is.
I'll give you the whole him being worried about MJ and his aunt and stuff. but not the other jazz. To each his own.
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
You know, I read that fight and there wasn't much of a fight there. It lasted a couple panels and there was mostly talking. And running into a wall doesn't do too much damage to someone like spiderman regardless of how dense it is.I'll give you the whole him being worried about MJ and his aunt and stuff. but not the other jazz. To each his own.
So you're going to ignore the fact that before hand, he was fighting Iron Man, launched himself through a Vibranium enforced window, was shot at, and fell who-knows-how-far from a New York skyscraper? And you're also going to ignore the fact that he was running from SHIELD agents for his life? And that his mind was on MJ and Aunt May, as he was sprinting through the sewers? And that he took the full brunt of an explosion to the face?
There is no "to each his own here." 🙄
Although the five minutes of prep time kind of makes this different from the others, this ought to be merged with the other threads. Batman's got plenty of nifty doo-dads and gadgets to counter a lot of what Spiderman might throw at him, just as Spidey's spidersense keeps him one step ahead of what Batman throws at him.
Cap has shown that if you've got enough know-how on Spidey and a good planned attack, all his agility and powers ain't gonna mean squat. Batman does not have the know-how, but he's a quick study. Spidey webs him up? Meh. Bat-solvent from a spray can dissolves the webs. Or Bat-laser cuts through the webs. Five minutes of prep means Batman would have all this stuff easily accessible or up his sleeves or in his gloves, blah. Trusty ole Bat-sonic disrupter makes for plenty of oppurtunites for Batman to get a couple of shots in.
Depends on what Batman uses. Bat-flash grenade is useless and Batman, thinking he's got a clean blow on him will be surprised when Spidey dodges it and clocks him in the noggin. For every situation you could think Batman would use his gadgets and create an opening against Spiderman, you can think of one that would ultimately be useless against Spidey and would leave Batman open for a counter.
Split 5/10 now that I think of it.
No. Captain America observed Spider-Man through his years of interaction with him and still couldn't put Spider-Man down. Everyone says Cap won that fight in ASM but at the fights end Cap lost his primary weapon and was at a disadvantage. Also lets not forget that Spider-Man didn't even want to fight him.
Batman doesn't have the advantage of years of observation. He has 5 minutes. Spider-Man webs him up? I'm sure he can escape. But if Spider-Man hits him? Its over. Can Batman claim the same thing? All of Batman's gadget (batarangs, explosives, etc) are nothing to Spider-Man. They're like mini version of the weapons Green Goblin uses. Spider-Man is just too far above Batman in terms of physical stats for Batman to score a win. He's fast enough to dodge everything Batman throws at him and strong enough to KO him with minimal effort. Batman can't claim the same.
It's simply not posible for Batman to win because he is outclassed every way, atleast when Spider-Man fights someone who is stronger than him has some other advantage ( like when fighting the Hulk, Spider-Man has a speed advantage). Batman has gadgets so what, Spider-Man has battled plenty of enemyes with gadgets. Spider-Man 100000000000/10.
Originally posted by marvelprinceSpidey fanboys are the worst. Sentence by sentence, I'll reply. 1) That fight was interrupted and Cap clearly had the better of the fight, so it wasn't a matter of whether Cap still couldn't put him down. Fact is, he was whippin his ass and the fight was interrupted. 2) Cap lost his primary weapon voluntarily, and his shield was worthless in the fight anyway. Even in Spiderman's mind, he knew Cap wanted to fight up close, standing back and throwing the shield would have accomplished nothing, therefore, Cap was not at a disadvantage when Spidey webbed his shield. 3) Spiderman didn't want to fight him. I agree. But even moreso, Cap didn't want to fight him.
No. Captain America observed Spider-Man through his years of interaction with him and still couldn't put Spider-Man down. Everyone says Cap won that fight in ASM but at the fights end Cap lost his primary weapon and was at a disadvantage. Also lets not forget that Spider-Man didn't even want to fight him...
Taken in the most literal interpretation, right from the start, Cap was winning that fight, playing Spidey like a chump. Only at the very end, was there a glimmer of hope for success for Spidey, totally reliant on the new waldo legs in his suit. Face it, you can spin the fight all you want. You want a more reliable opinion, just go to Spidey himself. Read Spiderman's thoughts and they ring clear and true right to the end and can't be spun any other way. Cap made Spidey feel like a chump.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Spidey fanboys are the worst. Sentence by sentence, I'll reply.
Knock yourself out
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
1) That fight was interrupted and Cap clearly had the better of the fight, so it wasn't a matter of whether Cap still couldn't put him down.Fact is, he was whippin his ass and the fight was interrupted.
Cap started off good but couldn't finish. All those blows he landed and he still couldn't put Peter down
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
2) Cap lost his primary weapon voluntarily, and his shield was worthless in the fight anyway. Even in Spiderman's mind, he knew Cap wanted to fight up close, standing back and throwing the shield would have accomplished nothing, therefore, Cap was not at a disadvantage when Spidey webbed his shield.
He took Cap's major defensive weapon. Cap lost it voluntarily but its no different than someone throwing their gun when its out of bullets cause they have no more options.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
3) Spiderman didn't want to fight him. I agree. But even moreso, Cap didn't want to fight him.
BS. Cap may not have wanted the confrontation but every indicator was that he was going all out and not holding back. Same can't be said for Spider-Man
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Taken in the most literal interpretation, right from the start, Cap was winning that fight, playing Spidey like a chump. Only at the very end, was there a glimmer of hope for success for Spidey, totally reliant on the new waldo legs in his suit. Face it, you can spin the fight all you want. You want a more reliable opinion, just go to Spidey himself. Read Spiderman's thoughts and they ring clear and true right to the end and can't be spun any other way. Cap made Spidey feel like a chump.
Yup at the start it looked like Cap was winning. At the end it was different though.
Besides all of this is pointless. My point was that Cap was able to do so well because he's been observing Spider-Man for a very long time so knows how to fight him. Batman doesn't have that luxury so he'll die a horrible death.
Originally posted by capt it up
wait spider senses can now track people? last time I checked that was no one of it abilities
Yes it can detect when people are a threat to Spider-man even when not attacking, he'd have to be closeish to Wayne for it to start tingling and get stronger the closer he got but he could track him.
Hell in 1 of Spideys fights with DD he searched for DD across NY and found him and Nelson and Murdock while swinging past his ss went off letting him know DD was there. Only thing was he attacked Foggy cause he didn't belive a blind man could be DD so it can be fooled unless a spider tracer is used.
I think there should be some kind of rule about using unfinished fights for debates I mean, in this fight with Cap for all we know the next thing Spidey could have done was said "OK put the fact he's your idol out of your head if I don't go all out now I'll never win" then speed blitz Cap.
you see that is a feesable win, just because a character looks like he is loosing at one point dosn't mean they can't turn the fight around, and there are plenty of examples where Spidey has done that to others.
and Marvelprince kicks the ass. Good stuff.
Anywho, about the Cap fight, Captain America is a superhuman, and knows the ins and outs of Spidey's fighting style. How?
HE TRAINED HIM FOR GOD'S SAKE?
Also, Batman and Cap may be equals in skill, though I doubt it, that doesn't mean they're equals in strength, speed, battle savvy, etc.
Spider-Man takes this every time.