Shatterstar vs Gambit

Started by ThePittman4 pages

Originally posted by Starhawk
Gambit would have to touch Shatterstar or his sword to do that and he wouldn't get the chance.

Shatterstar survived allot of death matches in Mojo's pits before escaping.

Gambit is a master thief and has picked the pockets of people in fights many times, even against very skilled fighters like Wolverine so a simple touch doesn’t seem to far out there. Now I agree with you that Shatterstar should be one major bad A$$ with his background but Marvel or Image never really did much with it.

Originally posted by Starhawk
He's genetically designed to be the ultimate fighter. And if his sword can cut Jug's armor I think it can cut gambits staff.

We can't go by stuff like "being designed to be the ultimate fighter". We need to go by what he has actually done. Who has he beat in hand to hand that would make him a top martial artist in Marvel?
Originally posted by ThePittman
A well written Shatterstar is far better in H2H then Gambit

Again, who has he beat in combat to make you say that?

Abilities
"Shatterstar was born and bred for gladiatorial combat; he is highly skilled in martial arts. He often fights with a pair of double-bladed swords from his home dimension, and he has also (rarely) displayed the mutant ability to channel and generate powerful vibratory shockwaves and bio-energy through these blades. Shatterstar's strength, speed, agility, stamina, and reflexes are all enhanced to superhuman levels. He is capable of healing from injuries much faster than an ordinary human, capable of healing from minor injuries within hours. On a few occasions he took advantage of this fact by impaling himself on one of his own swords to stab an opponent who was behind him."

THank you Wikipedia.

And I'll work on that list of oppenents. But one good example is defeating Spiral, someone whos thrashed Gambit in the past.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Again, who has he beat in combat to make you say that?
As I said a well written Shatterstar, his history was that he was a champion in Mojo world fighting all of its world’s crazy opponents and lived, this alone would put him into the top tier but the writers never played upon this. The X-Men as a group always had trouble dealing with Mojo’s world and Longshot wouldn’t have lasted long either without his luck powers.

Originally posted by Starhawk
THank you Wikipedia.

And I'll work on that list of oppenents. But one good example is defeating Spiral, someone whos thrashed Gambit in the past.


Of Shatterstar's abilities I am well aware. Wikipedia isn't usable as a source on KMC.

If I recall correctly, he had the help of the X-Force against Spiral. This hardly constitutes a martial arts feat.

Shatterstar has however, lost to Wolverine and I believe Deadpool all by himself.

Originally posted by ThePittman
As I said a well written Shatterstar, his history was that he was a champion in Mojo world fighting all of its world’s crazy opponents and lived, this alone would put him into the top tier but the writers never played upon this. The X-Men as a group always had trouble dealing with Mojo’s world and Longshot wouldn’t have lasted long either without his luck powers.

I understand what you mean. The problem is, Mojoverse's combatants don't seem to stack up to 616 combatants. The trouble experienced by the X-Men served to extend the story. Until Shatterstar racks up wins against bigger guns, we have to assume that he isn't the top tier fighter Starhawk wants us to think he is.

Actually Wiki is allowed on these forums and used quite allot actually.

And Im talking about his most recent fight with her.

And we don't have to 'assume' anything.

Wikipedia use as proof in an argument is to what I referred.

Scans?

A tennis player competes in England for their entire life and beats every single player there. This same player travels to the U.S. and loses to nearly every player there. Is this player a top tier player?

It still shows his skills and powers surpass Gambits.

It doesn't show anything. Until he gets feats to back him up, there's reason to say his skills are at the level you would have us believe.

It's not what I would have you believe it's what his powers and abilities are and you were the one only a post ago asking us to 'assume' things.

Originally posted by Starhawk
It's not what I would have you believe it's what his powers and abilities are and you were the one only a post ago asking us to 'assume' things.

Unless his powers are to be more skilled then Gambit, that's exactly what you would have us believe.

But it doesn't truly matter anyways. I doubt hell get close enough to Gambit to employ such skills.

He can fire at a distance as well by channeling energy through his sword and fire it at Gambit and lot of people have gotten close to Gambit. Spiral for one.

Gambit can also chage the ground inbetween he and Shatt and fling projectiles, forcing Shatt to walk on the charged ground. Although Shat is fast and Gambit may not have enough time to chage the ground without getting stabbed

😬 Post scans of the fight that you're talking about with Gambit and Spiral.

Regardless,

Gambit has demonstrated near-humanly perfect aim with his cards. Which, themselves have demonstrated near-building leveling explosions. In addition, he's no slouch in the combat skill department, and can amp up his physical stats to superhuman levels. Meaning he has the agility advantage, ranges advantage, damage advantage and is close in fighting skill.

The Cajun takes this.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
😬 Post scans of the fight that you're talking about with Gambit and Spiral.

Regardless,

Gambit has demonstrated near-humanly perfect aim with his cards. Which, themselves have demonstrated near-building leveling explosions. In addition, he's no slouch in the combat skill department, and can amp up his physical stats to superhuman levels. Meaning he has the agility advantage, ranges advantage, damage advantage and is close in fighting skill.

The Cajun takes this.

Based on his powers and abilities Shatterstar would wreck him and I will get scans.

I dont see shatterstar dodging a giant blast radius

No I see him blasting Gambit before Gambit has time to charge up that much. It's takes time and focus for him to do it you know, when he did it against the Phalanx it wore him out.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No I see him blasting Gambit before Gambit has time to charge up that much. It's takes time and focus for him to do it you know, when he did it against the Phalanx it wore him out.
to charge up a card? 🤨

His cards don't do anywhere near enough damage to take out Shatterstar.