franklin richards>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any celestial known
hyperstorm being beaten by galactus= PIS
full potential nate>>>>>>galactus
invisible woman beating a celestial=PIS
galactus>normal celestial{given that they are not written to be shown as aspects of eternity}
cosmic cube= plot device recently as a normal one was stated to be able to produce ILLUSIONS on the level of a solar system and yet thanos is said to state that the maker had INFINITE power ILL used{starting to bring it back to the power level of pre retconned beyonder etc. lol suppose they need ideas to keep the what ifs running eh}
since galactus has STILL not recieved any power upgrades, he loses against onslaught. but mostly it would depend on the writer marvel is very ambiguous and delf contradictory.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Of course he could be consumed. Hyperstorm had/has control over hyperspace energy, but not on infinite level or not in the level as Galactus is empowered by Power Cosmic.
So therefor, Hyperstorm couldn't overload Galactus, because Galactus is more powerful.
And I think the same case would be for a Celestial, Galactus would defeat him.
Actually I think Hypestorm is more powerful than a Celestial.
I also think based what powers Franklin Richards has, that he would go significantly beyond Celestial.Galactus was drew off by Odin, but he was weakened. Still, Galactus is far more powerful than Odin.
Many still argues who is more powerful, most powerful Celestial or Galactus.
It wasn't long ago a debate between FP Tyrant and Celestial.
Majority said Celestial, while I think FP Tyrant would take Celestial down.
I think Galactus is clearly more powerful than a Celestial.Yes, but it was a kid Richards and reviving such power as Galactus himself isn't a small feat, especially for a kid.
We are not sure if Galactus would be able to do that.
But then again, as you know, I actually said that I think Galactus would win against Onslaught.No, he hasn't
You knew what I meant.
Anyway, I think Onslaught should go significantly beyond any Celestial.
X-Man also probably, he is no joke and it only adds to Onslaught power level.
I follow you all the way, apart from one statement which is Odin humbling Galactus to my knowlegde this hasn't happened in the mainstream 616.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
franklin richards>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any celestial knownhyperstorm being beaten by galactus= PIS
full potential nate>>>>>>galactus
invisible woman beating a celestial=PIS
galactus>normal celestial{given that they are not written to be shown as aspects of eternity}
cosmic cube= plot device recently as a normal one was stated to be able to produce ILLUSIONS on the level of a solar system and yet thanos is said to state that the maker had INFINITE power ILL used{starting to bring it back to the power level of pre retconned beyonder etc. lol suppose they need ideas to keep the what ifs running eh}
since galactus has STILL not received any power upgrades, he loses against onslaught. but mostly it would depend on the writer marvel is very ambiguous and delf contradictory.
Allow me to straighten a few things out for you:
The Celestials said that Franklin had powers rivalling there own so obviously Celestial=Franklin.
Hyperstorm getting Beaten by Galactus wasn't PIS, since Galactus always have been capable of feeding on all kinds of energy no matter how alien they are.
Nate Grey hasn't in any way demonstrated anything that would but him remotely at the power levels of Galactus.
Not PIS either her power from Hyperspace that managed to destroy the Mortal Form of Exitar works on the Celestials like kryptonite works on Superman.
This I doesn't understand you are saying Franklin>Galactus>Celestials how did you reach that conclusion?
It was recton also there is a difference between a Cosmic Cube and a Cosmic Cube being like Kosmos and Kubik.
He has indeed received a important power upgrade him while being weak destroying at least three star systems and a watcher (which is said to be on the same level as a Celestial), thats a enormous power upgrade.
Originally posted by Xplosive
How?
And no Celestial has done, as you said, destroyed countless of galaxies as happened in FP Tyrant Vs. Galactus or shown such destructive power (I still wonder how powerful Galactus was in that fight).I think FP Tyrant crushes any Celestial.
I believe the main take on his powerlevel in that fight is regular since he at that time only devoured one Planet at the time so Normal ore fed powerlevels.
There's a couple of things people need to get straight here.
1. There is no such thing as full potential Nate Grey and Franklin, because they are in fact omega class mutants. That means their potential is limitless. So POTENTIALLY franklin could be more powerful than MJJ or Jamie braddock.
2. Marvel did a big mistake when giving Onslaught Franklin and Nate's powers because they could simply kill earth. Nate Grey was made to destroy planets and like we saw when he fought Jean on a alternate world, he has the power to do so. For some reason Onslaught had to use his telepathy to creative a collective consciousness for all the humans, when he had reality warping powers that could do it much more easily.
3. Why compare Galactus feats to Celestial feats? Their powerset is different. Galactus wields the power cosmic, while as the celestials have reality warping abilities. Though not stated on panel, it was said that they could do what the kosmos and kubik could, many times over. Meaning that they are in fact, very, very powerful.
4. Contrary to popular belief, Galactus can be hurt physically. Tenebrous the darkness in between and him actually fought hand to hand. Check out Annihilation and you'll see them actually hitting eachother. Just had to slide it in, so people won't try to say otherwise.
5. Galactus searches for planets that can provide him with sustenance. Celestials create planets. A celestial was responsible for creating Earth, which can in fact feed Galactus. Now, if Galactus is so powerful, why can't he just create himself some snacks? The Celestials could.
6. Did someone say destroyer and goblin force? Yes, the goblin force is in fact more powerful than the phoenix force, seeing as it has previously been capable of absorbing it. A celestial batted away the destroyer armor when it contained that AND the life force of every Asgardian (save thor). Galactus was not capable of beating the phoenix force or the goblin force.
7. This argument can be ruled out if you want to. In the exiles, Ego the living planet was running from the celestials, because they were going to kill him. Ego displayed the same powers as in 616, creating ani-bodies capable of killing the likes of Thor and Doc Doom, powerful energy blasts and immense telepathic abilities. Ego stalemates Galactus, yet he runs from the Celestials.
8. Creations? Trying to match Galactus' creations up with the Celestials' creations? not a good idea my friend. Celestials created earth, they've created plenty of planets. The Godstalkers could bend and fold the space/time continuum. I'd like to see Tyrant take on a thousand of those guys.
9. Onslaught was given the power to warp reality on near planetary scale, could travel between realities by the use of Nate Grey's powers and had the gem of cyttorak along the powers to destroy worlds many times over. If his physical form was destroyed (which should be impossible) he would turn into pure psychic essence, which cannot be manipulated. Unfortunately it can be contained by beings powerful enough (I think he was weaker then). Does this put him above the Silver Surfer? **** yes. Why wasn't Onslaught capable of defeating the marvel heroes? Same reason Darkseid lost to Superman. I also believe uncannyxmen.net mentioned suits that protected them against reality warping? I myself didn't catch that.
10. Given the fact that Onslaught's powers rival those which are above Galactus, he should in theory be able to give Galactus a good fight. Does Onslaught have enough feats to back up this? Yes, in fact he does. When people think of Onslaught, they only think of his feats and not the feats of those he has absorbed. If he had their powers, wouldn't their feats partially be his?
To sum it up. Onslaught had the powerset to take on almost anyone. Unfortunately Marvel decided to create an über character and then write him off as someone weaker than Magneto. Let's face it, Magneto has taken more than Onslaught. Never saw the Avengers break his shield..
Originally posted by llagrok
There's a couple of things people need to get straight here.1. There is no such thing as full potential Nate Grey and Franklin, because they are in fact omega class mutants. That means their potential is limitless. So POTENTIALLY franklin could be more powerful than MJJ or Jamie braddock.
2. Marvel did a big mistake when giving Onslaught Franklin and Nate's powers because they could simply kill earth. Nate Grey was made to destroy planets and like we saw when he fought Jean on a alternate world, he has the power to do so. For some reason Onslaught had to use his telepathy to creative a collective consciousness for all the humans, when he had reality warping powers that could do it much more easily.
3. Why compare Galactus feats to Celestial feats? Their powerset is different. Galactus wields the power cosmic, while as the celestials have reality warping abilities. Though not stated on panel, it was said that they could do what the kosmos and kubik could, many times over. Meaning that they are in fact, very, very powerful.
4. Contrary to popular belief, Galactus can be hurt physically. Tenebrous the darkness in between and him actually fought hand to hand. Check out Annihilation and you'll see them actually hitting eachother. Just had to slide it in, so people won't try to say otherwise.
5. Galactus searches for planets that can provide him with sustenance. Celestials create planets. A celestial was responsible for creating Earth, which can in fact feed Galactus. Now, if Galactus is so powerful, why can't he just create himself some snacks? The Celestials could.
6. Did someone say destroyer and goblin force? Yes, the goblin force is in fact more powerful than the phoenix force, seeing as it has previously been capable of absorbing it. A celestial batted away the destroyer armor when it contained that AND the life force of every Asgardian (save thor). Galactus was not capable of beating the phoenix force or the goblin force.
7. This argument can be ruled out if you want to. In the exiles, Ego the living planet was running from the celestials, because they were going to kill him. Ego displayed the same powers as in 616, creating ani-bodies capable of killing the likes of Thor and Doc Doom, powerful energy blasts and immense telepathic abilities. Ego stalemates Galactus, yet he runs from the Celestials.
8. Creations? Trying to match Galactus' creations up with the Celestials' creations? not a good idea my friend. Celestials created earth, they've created plenty of planets. The Godstalkers could bend and fold the space/time continuum. I'd like to see Tyrant take on a thousand of those guys.
9. Onslaught was given the power to warp reality on near planetary scale, could travel between realities by the use of Nate Grey's powers and had the gem of cyttorak along the powers to destroy worlds many times over. If his physical form was destroyed (which should be impossible) he would turn into pure psychic essence, which cannot be manipulated. Unfortunately it can be contained by beings powerful enough (I think he was weaker then). Does this put him above the Silver Surfer? **** yes. Why wasn't Onslaught capable of defeating the marvel heroes? Same reason Darkseid lost to Superman. I also believe uncannyxmen.net mentioned suits that protected them against reality warping? I myself didn't catch that.
10. Given the fact that Onslaught's powers rival those which are above Galactus, he should in theory be able to give Galactus a good fight. Does Onslaught have enough feats to back up this? Yes, in fact he does. When people think of Onslaught, they only think of his feats and not the feats of those he has absorbed. If he had their powers, wouldn't their feats partially be his?
To sum it up. Onslaught had the powerset to take on almost anyone. Unfortunately Marvel decided to create an über character and then write him off as someone weaker than Magneto. Let's face it, Magneto has taken more than Onslaught. Never saw the Avengers break his shield..
3. Nothing support that the Celestials have any kind of reality warping powers, but because they haven't shown anything that support this, they can still quiet easily be more powerful then Kubik and Kosmos.
4. So eternity cannot engage in a fist fight if he chose to??? Galactus isn't completely physical els each race wouldn't seen him in there own way if he was physical.
5. He has shown himself capable of recreating a Planet without any problems, but wouldn't it be a bit stupid to use up energy to create something and then immidiately destroy it? By the way the celestials didn't create planet earth but they have manipulated the human DNA and created offspring of the human race.
6. The Goblin force was defeated by the combined might of the Celestial race, we are talking about a single Celestial not the entire race which Only eternity along with other abstracts has a chance against. I don't seen a Celestial winning against the Phoenix force either, but the entire race sure. Lets have a look at the 4th host battle vs Destroyer 8 against 1 yes thats fair odds.
7. Oh my god the Celestials was practically losing that Battle until earth attacked Ego and Blink from the exiles rescued them. You must have had something turned around.
8. Thousand Godstalkers hmm not good. But One against anyone of Galactus creations and the Godstalker has a serious fight on its hand.
10. I don't quiet understand how you reached that conclusion that a single Celestial is above Galactus care to elaborate. Yes they feats should be counted in but he never showed the ability to preform any of the feats those he absorbed did.
To sum up Galactus would still defeat Onslaught. For reasons I have posted twice and don't wanna do again.
Originally posted by llagrok
6. Did someone say destroyer and goblin force? Yes, the goblin force is in fact more powerful than the phoenix force, seeing as it has previously been capable of absorbing it.
Nothing has been proven that GF is more powerful than PF.
Also Galactus has been able to absorb PF, but Galactus is not more powerful than PF.
Originally posted by quanchi112
onslaught cant compare with big g to his feats on panel.
True, but we have to take highest feat of the ones he absorbed (since Onslaught had their full powers, so he should be able to display everything they displayed), which I am not sure it would still be enough for Onslaught to top Galactus feats on panel.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Allow me to straighten a few things out for you:The Celestials said that Franklin had powers rivalling there own so obviously Celestial=Franklin.
Hyperstorm getting Beaten by Galactus wasn't PIS, since Galactus always have been capable of feeding on all kinds of energy no matter how alien they are.
Nate Grey hasn't in any way demonstrated anything that would but him remotely at the power levels of Galactus.
Not PIS either her power from Hyperspace that managed to destroy the Mortal Form of Exitar works on the Celestials like kryptonite works on Superman.
This I doesn't understand you are saying Franklin>Galactus>Celestials how did you reach that conclusion?
It was recton also there is a difference between a Cosmic Cube and a Cosmic Cube being like Kosmos and Kubik.
He has indeed received a important power upgrade him while being weak destroying at least three star systems and a watcher (which is said to be on the same level as a Celestial), thats a enormous power upgrade.
sigh. first post in months and already crybaby fanboys creeping up my legs. allow ME to straighten a few thins out for you.
the celestials said he had power rivalling their own. BEFORE, he single handedly resurrected galactus/created pocket universes/gave rebirth to earth's mightiest heroes on a created alternate earth who had been killed by onslaught/created multiple universe simultaneously which were full sized. from nothing at all or without even noticing or breaking a sweat. needless to say, franklin is beyond any celestial, or else eternity would not have been interested in him.
hyperstrom being beaten by galactus is absolute PIS. just because galactus can feed on all kinds of energies doesnt make him stronger than an energy being with power greater than his own. otherwise it should be a synch to destroy eternity/tribunal etc for galactus. hyperstorm was a being threatening the entire marvel multiverse, sumthin galactus cudnt do in his wet dreams. galactus should have been no match for him. galactus is not even universe destroying material. he has not gotten a power up in the longest of times and loses more than he wins against seemingly pathetic adversaries.
nate grey has demonstrated that he was reaching in power level, to the dark phoenix/force. which has many a time, previously beating galactus silly. he also has countless feats of time manipulation/battling skyfather or greater level mystical gods/snatching people from the psionic plane{where his power is so massive that it caused ripples on the plane}/mentally dominated thanos/had capabilities to destroy planets/has shown to have greater power than cable{who can potentially eat stars} /and lets not forget his final feat{far form his potential} which destroyed an alien specied who harvest earth of her life force very similar to galactus and not only destroyed them, but with his energies, GAVE BACK the entire life force of the planet. he died too young still never having even close to mastered his powers.
no, PIS. thas a silly rationalisation based off of no evidence. she DESTROYED HIS BRAIN. celestials are so high up in power that the TYPE of energy can not possibly matter to them just like mystical/cosmic/psychic energies do not any longer, matter to galactus. and how is it that much much weaker beings can counter hyperspace energies of hers then?
i reach that conclusion by looking at feats. galactus will always remain inconclusive. but one thing is sure, franklin recreated him fron nothin and that shows greater power than galactus. franklin's feats, ive already described.
huh, difference between a cosmic cube and a cosmic cube being?????????/ what are you on about, cosmic cube beings ARE cosmic cubes with a conciousness and better understanding of their powers than a mere cube wielder
when did the last feat happen? did he destroy it in one go? was it him or just his raw power unleashed destroying it????? as far as i know, he hasnt recieved any official upgrades.