Originally posted by Xplosiveyes but with the evidence we have from on panel stuff galactus must be viewed as the winner. otherwise its a speculation war. i feel galactus wins this all day.
True, but we have to take highest feat of the ones he absorbed (since Onslaught had their full powers, so he should be able to display everything they displayed), which I am not sure it would still be enough for Onslaught to top Galactus feats on panel.
leonheartmm
I believe that when that the Celestials had said that a fully realized franklin would be greater than them as in franklin without his mind blocks not him when he still had it.
I am not sure on the whole Hyperstrom thing so i will go take a look
I do agree with the Nate Gray issue since omega level mutant where meant to reach the level of Eternity as they get stronger.
Galactus with all his jobbing is a hard character to judge in term of power but with the UN being part of him i would say that a fully powered Galactus would be On a level of Multi-Etern that is only thanks to the UN power that seems to be getting stronger soon it might just be OmniV power.
i explained it before. galactus is an anomoly which was nurutred by the eternity/phoenix of the old dying universe{not 616 or multiverse hencehe cant be like multi eternity even if such a thing exists} it nurtured him and he was born again. he was NEVER anabstract and only calls them his siblings as they were reborn together. its his PURPOSE of keeping balance between etenrity and death{like the inbetweener keeps balance between order and chaos} that is great as if he permanently DIES or id killed. abraxas would be released who has with the ultimate nullifier become an omniversal threat before as roma said. but galactus's POWER is not do great. when he removes his armour or dies. his energues are released in the form of an ever burning STAR. not very impressive. furthermore he admits that he too will one day inevitably submit to the abstract death. hence he is not above abstract level. and from his MANY showings ranging from pre retcon dark phoenix beating him to thor scaring him away, sue punching a hole through his chest , or ego giving him a challenge or even the galactic alliance KILLING HIM and tyrant nearly killing him. i have to assume that hes not ALL THAT in power. CERTAINLY not anywhere NEAR abstract. his purpose is great, but he isnt. to make things clear, galactus is the trigger/fuse to the explsive{eternity/infinity imbalance=abraxas} he isnt ACTUALLY the fuel/explosive. great purpose but not great power.
Originally posted by XplosiveSo, then, you obviously can't go by words then, can you?
If we go by words, Franklin Richards=Celestial, but based what powers Onslaught had, Onslaught>Celestial.And based on words that FP Galactus equals Eternity in power, then Galactus>Onslaught.
As for the rest of the... "posts" as leon calls them... I'm not even going to attempt to discredit them, as they are so full of bias, and hate, it's ridiculous.
Fallen One is possibly more powerful than Galactus according to someone.
And Strange would kick the Christ out of Galactus... so it's best to ignore those posts...
Originally posted by Utrigita
3. Nothing support that the Celestials have any kind of reality warping powers, but because they haven't shown anything that support this, they can still quiet easily be more powerful then Kubik and Kosmos.4. So eternity cannot engage in a fist fight if he chose to??? Galactus isn't completely physical els each race wouldn't seen him in there own way if he was physical.
5. He has shown himself capable of recreating a Planet without any problems, but wouldn't it be a bit stupid to use up energy to create something and then immidiately destroy it? By the way the celestials didn't create planet earth but they have manipulated the human DNA and created offspring of the human race.
6. The Goblin force was defeated by the combined might of the Celestial race, we are talking about a single Celestial not the entire race which Only eternity along with other abstracts has a chance against. I don't seen a Celestial winning against the Phoenix force either, but the entire race sure. Lets have a look at the 4th host battle vs Destroyer 8 against 1 yes thats fair odds.
7. Oh my god the Celestials was practically losing that Battle until earth attacked Ego and Blink from the exiles rescued them. You must have had something turned around.
8. Thousand Godstalkers hmm not good. But One against anyone of Galactus creations and the Godstalker has a serious fight on its hand.
10. I don't quiet understand how you reached that conclusion that a single Celestial is above Galactus care to elaborate. Yes they feats should be counted in but he never showed the ability to preform any of the feats those he absorbed did.
To sum up Galactus would still defeat Onslaught. For reasons I have posted twice and don't wanna do again.
4. If that's not his real state, then how come he was perceived in that manner when Thanos had the infinity gauntlet? Wouldn't the way he saw Galactus be the REAL one since he was far more powerful? Just saying. Who brought eternity into this?
5. Good point.
6. Since neither of us actually know how many celestials there are. There could only be 10 for all we know. Nor do we know how much more powerful the goblin force was than the phoenix force. For all we know it could be a million times stronger.
7. No, they weren't losing. If they were, Ego wouldn't have tried to recruit earth.
8. I'm relatively certain that anyone with time powers could give most of the heralds a decent fight. But you'd have to include the lower
10. Of those he absorbed did? If Onslaught had their powers alongside he would be capable of doing the same things. That's like saying someone with the Hulk's strength wouldn't be able to lift things if they only displayed it through hand to hand fighting.
If you're not willing to admit that anyone with full control over Franklin Richard's powers are capable of putting up a fight towards Galactus, I think it's relatively obvious how biased you are towards this character. But I suppose a glance at your avatar is more than enough.
Originally posted by llagrok
4. If that's not his real state, then how come he was perceived in that manner when Thanos had the infinity gauntlet? Wouldn't the way he saw Galactus be the REAL one since he was far more powerful? Just saying. Who brought eternity into this?5. Good point.
6. Since neither of us actually know how many celestials there are. There could only be 10 for all we know. Nor do we know how much more powerful the goblin force was than the phoenix force. For all we know it could be a million times stronger.
7. No, they weren't losing. If they were, Ego wouldn't have tried to recruit earth.
8. I'm relatively certain that anyone with time powers could give most of the heralds a decent fight. But you'd have to include the lower
10. Of those he absorbed did? If Onslaught had their powers alongside he would be capable of doing the same things. That's like saying someone with the Hulk's strength wouldn't be able to lift things if they only displayed it through hand to hand fighting.
If you're not willing to admit that anyone with full control over Franklin Richard's powers are capable of putting up a fight towards Galactus, I think it's relatively obvious how biased you are towards this character. But I suppose a glance at your avatar is more than enough.
4. No Galactus real form has been shown once when he adopted a m-body to communicate with Eternity.
5. Thanks
7. Sorry but if they wasn't losing I really didn't see a reason for Blink to step in and save the Celestials. Also remember he wanted to ruin the Celestial experiment which he did by making earth a sentient being to and then earth attacked Ego to.
8. The heralds thenselves have time powers.
10. I just pointed out that he never shown the ability to do any of the things that Franklin ore for that matter Nate Grey did.
I have stated not once not twice but three times now that I believe Onslaught would give Galactus a good fight but would ultimately lose in the end.
Originally posted by Tyrant
So, then, you obviously can't go by words then, can you?As for the rest of the... "posts" as leon calls them... I'm not even going to attempt to discredit them, as they are so full of bias, and hate, it's ridiculous.
Fallen One is possibly more powerful than Galactus according to someone.
And Strange would kick the Christ out of Galactus... so it's best to ignore those posts...
I must agree I want to Tyrant I really really want to...
Ore would you have the pleasure I have done it once and like you I don't wanna do it again.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
sigh. first post in months and already crybaby fanboys creeping up my legs. allow ME to straighten a few thins out for you.the celestials said he had power rivalling their own. BEFORE, he single handedly resurrected galactus/created pocket universes/gave rebirth to earth's mightiest heroes on a created alternate earth who had been killed by onslaught/created multiple universe simultaneously which were full sized. from nothing at all or without even noticing or breaking a sweat. needless to say, franklin is beyond any celestial, or else eternity would not have been interested in him.
hyperstrom being beaten by galactus is absolute PIS. just because galactus can feed on all kinds of energies doesnt make him stronger than an energy being with power greater than his own. otherwise it should be a synch to destroy eternity/tribunal etc for galactus. hyperstorm was a being threatening the entire marvel multiverse, sumthin galactus cudnt do in his wet dreams. galactus should have been no match for him. galactus is not even universe destroying material. he has not gotten a power up in the longest of times and loses more than he wins against seemingly pathetic adversaries.
nate grey has demonstrated that he was reaching in power level, to the dark phoenix/force. which has many a time, previously beating galactus silly. he also has countless feats of time manipulation/battling skyfather or greater level mystical gods/snatching people from the psionic plane{where his power is so massive that it caused ripples on the plane}/mentally dominated thanos/had capabilities to destroy planets/has shown to have greater power than cable{who can potentially eat stars} /and lets not forget his final feat{far form his potential} which destroyed an alien specied who harvest earth of her life force very similar to galactus and not only destroyed them, but with his energies, GAVE BACK the entire life force of the planet. he died too young still never having even close to mastered his powers.
no, PIS. thas a silly rationalisation based off of no evidence. she DESTROYED HIS BRAIN. celestials are so high up in power that the TYPE of energy can not possibly matter to them just like mystical/cosmic/psychic energies do not any longer, matter to galactus. and how is it that much much weaker beings can counter hyperspace energies of hers then?
i reach that conclusion by looking at feats. galactus will always remain inconclusive. but one thing is sure, franklin recreated him fron nothin and that shows greater power than galactus. franklin's feats, ive already described.
huh, difference between a cosmic cube and a cosmic cube being?????????/ what are you on about, cosmic cube beings ARE cosmic cubes with a conciousness and better understanding of their powers than a mere cube wielder
when did the last feat happen? did he destroy it in one go? was it him or just his raw power unleashed destroying it????? as far as i know, he hasnt recieved any official upgrades.
I will ocerlook the first comment since its just plain stupid I isn't crying but rather laughing of you quiet stupid reason and biased based information 😬
I must simple laugh, firstly Valerie helped him with ressurrecting Galactus, secondly he created a Pocket Universe and thats it, nothing more end of story, Galactus can easily devoure Pocket Universes. So Franklin isn't above Galactus.
I will just look away from this because it must be the most stupid thing you have said so far. But allow me to say again ANY kind of energy can be absorbed by Galactus it has been stated 3 times. Again nothing PIS since it has always been a part of his powerset not like Hulk being the only one to batter through the armor of Onslaught, thats PIS.
Nothing at the levels of the Dark Phoenix, if I remember correctly it was madelynes machine that calculated his energy levels but obviously as a lot of other things you don't understand that the even 1 ore 1000 levels of energy above the machines calculater would give the same result.
Never the less it did and as stated by damm Uatu (you know the wacther that normally workes like the writer to tell the reader important incident and so on) he knew sue had the possiblity to destroy Exitar but you just completely overlooked that fact right.
Franklin forced Galactus raging energies back into a form, so he didn't ressurrect him from nothing and if anything was PIS then its that since Galactus has shown himself capable of reforming at will after being blasted by 5 cosmic cubes you know the ones that can destroy and remake the omniverse.
Oh my god Cosmic cubes beings have imposed limits apon themselves the Cubes are units without restrictions, that can destroy and remake the omniverse please don't tell me that you think a Celestial can do that.
Read Annihilation 6# and get back.
Originally posted by Tyrant
What, deal with those posts?
Just ignore them.I feel the urge to argue in this thread...
Meh, I'm good.
Those postes I just quetod just couldn't reist mate 🙁 it was to tempting damm it was easy nothing new under the sun.
You are welcome to do so Tyrant you know the most about Galactus in this Forum please Take you shot.
What about you take the other postt with lion claiming that multieternity doesn't exist, and explain to the ...... why Galactus lost to Tyrant Thor and what happened to Sue when she punched a hole through his chest 😄
Originally posted by leonheartmm
sigh. first post in months and already crybaby fanboys creeping up my legs. allow ME to straighten a few thins out for you.the celestials said he had power rivalling their own. BEFORE, he single handedly resurrected galactus/created pocket universes/gave rebirth to earth's mightiest heroes on a created alternate earth who had been killed by onslaught/created multiple universe simultaneously which were full sized. from nothing at all or without even noticing or breaking a sweat. needless to say, franklin is beyond any celestial, or else eternity would not have been interested in him.
hyperstrom being beaten by galactus is absolute PIS. just because galactus can feed on all kinds of energies doesnt make him stronger than an energy being with power greater than his own. otherwise it should be a synch to destroy eternity/tribunal etc for galactus. hyperstorm was a being threatening the entire marvel multiverse, sumthin galactus cudnt do in his wet dreams. galactus should have been no match for him. galactus is not even universe destroying material. he has not gotten a power up in the longest of times and loses more than he wins against seemingly pathetic adversaries.
nate grey has demonstrated that he was reaching in power level, to the dark phoenix/force. which has many a time, previously beating galactus silly. he also has countless feats of time manipulation/battling skyfather or greater level mystical gods/snatching people from the psionic plane{where his power is so massive that it caused ripples on the plane}/mentally dominated thanos/had capabilities to destroy planets/has shown to have greater power than cable{who can potentially eat stars} /and lets not forget his final feat{far form his potential} which destroyed an alien specied who harvest earth of her life force very similar to galactus and not only destroyed them, but with his energies, GAVE BACK the entire life force of the planet. he died too young still never having even close to mastered his powers.
no, PIS. thas a silly rationalisation based off of no evidence. she DESTROYED HIS BRAIN. celestials are so high up in power that the TYPE of energy can not possibly matter to them just like mystical/cosmic/psychic energies do not any longer, matter to galactus. and how is it that much much weaker beings can counter hyperspace energies of hers then?
i reach that conclusion by looking at feats. galactus will always remain inconclusive. but one thing is sure, franklin recreated him fron nothin and that shows greater power than galactus. franklin's feats, ive already described.
huh, difference between a cosmic cube and a cosmic cube being?????????/ what are you on about, cosmic cube beings ARE cosmic cubes with a conciousness and better understanding of their powers than a mere cube wielder
when did the last feat happen? did he destroy it in one go? was it him or just his raw power unleashed destroying it????? as far as i know, he hasnt recieved any official upgrades.
aight well if tyrant and utrigita don't feel like gettin their hands dirty, then i'll jump on this, ha.
as utrigita stated, it was Franklin AND Valeria who reconstituted Galactus. Recreating, as you claim, is far different from reconstructing/reforming. You also conveniently forgot to mention that they BOTH permanently burned out their powers completely by doing this one act. Since you originally said that franklin whimsically "recreated" Galactus "single-handedly" and took that to interpret that Franklin's powers >>>>> Galactus' powers, now that you know the facts you should also interpret that at the least, Galactus = Franklin + Valeria, since all the powers of BOTH were required to *reconstitute* a Galactus that was already there in his energy form. In other words, they did not recreate him, as he was still in existance. They simply reigned in his energies. And it took all their powers to do that. What is more impressive here, that Franklin burned out all his powers by reforming (not "recreating"😉 Galactus, or that reforming Galactus caused Franklin and his sister to both burn out all their powers?
What don't you grasp about Galactus using Hyperstorm's most powerful weapon against him? Even if Hyperstorm is more powerful than Galactus, what the fukk is hyperstorm gonna do when he can't harness all that power because Galactus is feeding on it before hyperstorm even gets that chance to redirect and channel it against big G???? Big G was feeding off of the source of hyperstorm's power before hyperstorm could actually use it. That's similar to Doom stealing everyone's power through his tech...he gets access to the power and controls it before the wielder of the power can actually use it against doom. And you gonna say Doom>Galactus? Further, do you have any idea what Galactus could do with HIS ulitmate nullifier if he just decided to be an angry semi-abstract being and subjugate the multiverse to nullification?
When has Nate been directly compared to dark phoenix/the phoenix force? The only instance where I can remember this is when moira mctaggert took readings of Nate, and she then stated that his raw power was so great that the only instance she could recall that had similar readings was phoenix. This doesn't mean at all that they have comparable powers. A machine that moira mctaggert's, will still measure nate and phoenix to be far above what it can normally register. E.g. if the machine can normally register 1000, it will still state
nate and phoenix to be far beyond normal power levels, even if nate is 2000 and phoenix is 1,000,000.
All those feats you listed for nate don't even get Galactus to notice him. Why do you keep bringing up a "full potential" nate grey, as if it's some impressive idea? I can easily counter with a full power, full potential Galactus (the same entity that reed richards stated all the energy ever created in the history of the universe's existence would not sate) wielding an ultimate nullfier. This Galactus requires Eternity-level beings, at the absolute least, to contend with.
Originally posted by TenebrousIt's not that... it's just when dealing with things like this:
aight well if tyrant and utrigita don't feel like gettin their hands dirty, then i'll jump on this, ha.
Originally posted by leonheartmmIt's pointless.
strange pwns galactus. what about the fallen one, the strongest herald ever and possibly stronger than galactus himself.
fallen one aint the strongest herald heck he cant even do nothing to thanos. the strongest guy galactus ever impowred is tyrant he beat the crap otu of thanos and galactus said if they fought they would destroy the universe or something did he not he was also as big as the big g
anyway onslaught would lose to galactus unless he had prep and galactus didnt see him comming. He could do something to galactus tech and make it so the power drains out of galactus and into him.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
aight well if tyrant and utrigita don't feel like gettin their hands dirty, then i'll jump on this, ha.
Well I have already given this a shot but it is quiet pleasent to see you do so to Tenebrous I will shot down his other statement and Tyrant I agree with you that statement almost killed from ROFL.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
i explained it before. galactus is an anomoly which was nurutred by the eternity/phoenix of the old dying universe{not 616 or multiverse hencehe cant be like multi eternity even if such a thing exists} it nurtured him and he was born again. he was NEVER anabstract and only calls them his siblings as they were reborn together. its his PURPOSE of keeping balance between etenrity and death{like the inbetweener keeps balance between order and chaos} that is great as if he permanently DIES or id killed. abraxas would be released who has with the ultimate nullifier become an omniversal threat before as roma said. but galactus's POWER is not do great. when he removes his armour or dies. his energues are released in the form of an ever burning STAR. not very impressive. furthermore he admits that he too will one day inevitably submit to the abstract death. hence he is not above abstract level. and from his MANY showings ranging from pre retcon dark phoenix beating him to thor scaring him away, sue punching a hole through his chest , or ego giving him a challenge or even the galactic alliance KILLING HIM and tyrant nearly killing him. i have to assume that hes not ALL THAT in power. CERTAINLY not anywhere NEAR abstract. his purpose is great, but he isnt. to make things clear, galactus is the trigger/fuse to the explsive{eternity/infinity imbalance=abraxas} he isnt ACTUALLY the fuel/explosive. great purpose but not great power.
Galan merged with the dying sentient of the previous universe his origin has been shown 4 times now none of the times is Phoenix mentioned as the being that saved ore bonded with Galactus. Multieternity do exist as shown by Captain Universe that showed that if every Universe had a "face" then the hole must have a "face" to. True that if Galactus dies then Abraxas will appear. You don't think its impressive that his energy rages with such Capacity that he needs the armor to control them and even while starving the energy still shines like a star that will burn to the end of the universe. So Eternity isn't a abstract either since he will sooner ore later die??? Shall we have a look at those excamples. Don't know about Pre-recton Phoenix beaten him, Sue punched a hole through Galactus but did it hurt him ❌ was he about to kill her by turning her own forcefield appon her ✅. Ego was beaten bad the first time and the second they went toe to toe with each other Galactus pulled away because he could see that it was pointless to fight a battle with no one emerging victorious. Thor used his Uru-Hammer to channel a Godblast to attack a hungry Galactus back in the days where the asgardiens was very powerful today a Godblast wouldn't even get the attention of Galactus. The Galactis allience defeated Galactus because of surfer turning his ship against him 😬. Tyrant defeated him by turning his own ship apon him. what kind of worthless statement have you els in your pocket???