Civil War Speedball vs. Kingdom Come Magog

Since this isn't a "character 'a' fights character 'b' thread" it's not in the "vs." forum.

It's about Magog being demonized by while Speedball is defended by some people.

Magog
Led a superhero team to take on a supervillian.

Speedball
Led a superhero team to take on supervillians.

Magog
Had his team attack in the middle of empty farmland.

Speedball
Had his team attack in a residential neighborhood.

Magog
Things went wrong in the battle which led to an explosion killing a million innocent people and irradiating all of Kansas and some of the surrounding states.

Speedball
Things went wrong in the battle which led to an explosion killing hundreds of people and destroying a neighborhood.

Magog
Believes that his actions cotributed to the desaster, and feels remorse for his part in what happened.

Speedball
Doesn't believe that his actions contributed to the desaster, and feels no remorse for his part in what happened.

Shall I go on...?

This is why you should never admit guilt ... see what happens? ... 😐

😛

However, Speedball's team had no idea that Nitro had been upgraded, while it was one of Magog's team mates who actually exploded and Mags should have known his teams capabilities and possible threats before ever going out in the field.

They are both assholes

But, I have to say at least Magog showed some compassion for the victims of his mistake

Speedball doesn't even give a crap

He does give a crap ... it just wasn't his fault

Originally posted by Scoobless
He does give a crap ... it just wasn't his fault

Walking around in a presumptuous ******* doesn't exactly show his sympathy now does it?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Walking around in a presumptuous ******* doesn't exactly show his sympathy now does it?

Over a million>>>>>>>>>2000 dead.

Sorry or not, the loss of life speaks for itself.
Speedball shouldn't let himself be scape-goated for the entire thing, hes doing the right thing in my opinion. He's admited hes sorry but he shouldnt talk all the blame.

He can be sympathetic while also not letting people pin over a thousand deaths on him.

I'm glad that he's sticking up for himself when, clearly, no one else will.

There needs to be a voice like his in that type of a situation, to be honest. Showing that Heroes can't control the world, and the nuts in it.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
There needs to be a voice like his in that type of a situation, to be honest. Showing that Heroes can't control the world, and the nuts in it.

The superpowered population continued to grow unabated. each generation producing more and more. The fights raged across the streets. Sometimes innocent people would die, but it's not like that was the intention so what does it matter?

If Speedball is innocent of any wrongdoing, then so is Magog. If Magog is guilty of any wrongdoing, then so is Speedball.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
If Speedball is innocent of any wrongdoing, then so is Magog. If Magog is guilty of any wrongdoing, then so is Speedball.

Not true, the situations were completely different.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Not true, the situations were completely different.

But in all the ways that matter, the situations were the same.

Originally posted by Scoobless
He does give a crap ... it just wasn't his fault

Originally posted by Scoobless
He can be sympathetic while also not letting people pin over a thousand deaths on him.

I'm glad that he's sticking up for himself when, clearly, no one else will.

Originally posted by "V"
Over a million>>>>>>>>>2000 dead.

Sorry or not, the loss of life speaks for itself.
Speedball shouldn't let himself be scape-goated for the entire thing, hes doing the right thing in my opinion. He's admited hes sorry but he shouldnt talk all the blame.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
Yes, you're right. Magog led his team in a battle in the middle of an empty field, Speedball led his team into a battle next door to a school.

But in all the ways that matter, the situations were the same.

No they weren't.

It's the difference between walking into a fight with an unstable nuclear weapon adn walking into a fight only to be surprised that the other guy has an unstable nuclear weapon.

Magog knew his team mate was dangerous and sent him against someone who could set him off, so to speak.

No-one knew that Nitro was capable of what he did.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
But they [b]can control the world. [/B]

No, they can't. They're not the JLA or the Gestapo. They're not supposed to do anything of the sort. If they did, the entire world would rise up against them, and end up like The Reign of Thor. To even suggest that is a sick idea.

Originally posted by Scoobless
No they weren't.

It's the difference between walking into a fight with an unstable nuclear weapon adn walking into a fight only to be surprised that the other guy has an unstable nuclear weapon.

Magog knew his team mate was dangerous and sent him against someone who could set him off, so to speak.

No-one knew that Nitro was capable of what he did.

1) How many hundreds (if not thousands) of missions have Captain Atom safely participated in without incident?

2) Oh, so since he normally explodes only a "little bit" it's okay to engage him next to a crowded schoolyard, and slam him into a school bus?

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
He DOES give a crap? Really? Well he has a hell of a way conveying his condolences to the public. As for whether it was his fault...it was partly his fault. But he refuses to take responsiblitiy for his part. At least Magog was man enough to do that.

and how the hell were they supposed to know how powerful Nitro was? There aren't any psychics on the New Warriors!

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
No, they can't. They're not the JLA or the Gestapo. They're not supposed to do anything of the sort. If they did, the entire world would rise up against them, and end up like The Reign of Thor. To even suggest that is a sick idea.

You said that superheroes could not change the world, yet they did in Kingdom Come, the Sentry has done it himself, and so has the Scarlet Witch.

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
You don't get it do you? The SHRA [b]is the rising up against the changes to the world that were slowly happening.

You said that superheroes could not change the world, yet they did in Kingdom Come, the Sentry has done it himself, and so has the Scarlet Witch. [/B]

Not in a positive manner. Wanda destroyed the lives of about everyone she touched. Sentry took the memories of many people without permission or need to do so.

Also, this isn't DC. This is Marvel. That type of crap doesn't go down. Hereos aren't uber-powered tyrants. They're real people that try to make the world better, but not control it.