This is not a test

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Then God is a piece of work. He creates man, gives man free will. BUT WE ARE BAD BY NATURE! We resist our nature to be good people! Logically that seems to suggest... that badness is a fundamental part of us.

But let me guess... despite the fact God is our maker, he isn't responsible for the core of evil that runs our scummy species. Hell, that is like me building a computer that is assured to break down but claiming it is the computers fault.

Me - I don't think humans are either inherently good or bad. I contribute such things to the choices they make in life, things derived from society and so on rather then "we all start out scum and have the option of turning good." We start out raw potential, and either, through actions or intent are good or bad through life. Most people are forever just this side of good, never doing anything that would make me qualify them as "bad by nature" - but some are more one way then another. Some people spend their lives firmly in the "bad" region, while other firmly in the good. I have never seen any reason to think people are scum by nature.

But then again you could say I am a dreamer...

I would say that law has something to do with way people act. A world of anarchy would not end well, I can assure you.

Originally posted by Nellinator
He isn't responsible. The whole story of original sin comes to mind. However, that is a matter we will most likely never agree upon and therefore not worth arguing.

I would say that law has something to do with way people act. A world of anarchy would not end well, I can assure you.

He isn't actually saying "get rid of laws" - getting rid of nations, in things like world federalisation, does not also entail getting rid of laws. Removing nations removes national competition, things like patriotism and "my nation is right no matter what"kind of thinking.

I don't see him saying "lets all be anarchists, its possible if you try." I see him saying "lets get rid of those things that divide us, an just be humans together."

Originally posted by Nellinator
He isn't responsible. The whole story of original sin comes to mind. However, that is a matter we will most likely never agree upon and therefore not worth arguing.

I would say that law has something to do with way people act. A world of anarchy would not end well, I can assure you.

I've killed before.......I didn't like it at all........cry