Karnak vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Alfheim
I know it was a cheap shot but wwhat were debating her is durability not fighting skills.

umm yeah, I'm aware of that... And it's been displayed on numerous occasions that Wolverine's easier to KO from behind than head on...
This is true in real life too.. If you have any friends in boxing or MMA ask them about it.. the hits that effect you the most are the one's you don't see coming..

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dunno man hasnt he taken stuff like that before and kept on going? Hell the beating he got from Sasquatch was worse and after the beating he was just talking like nothing happened. Wondermans no joke but your not going to seriously tell me his HF was serioulsy depleted.

He'd been fighting superheroes all day what'd you expect? and while he was up I DO think that his HF was to a point that would make the U.S. Agent KO plausible.. expecially considering (like I said before) that Wolverine got up almost immediately after that.

And you can't really compare that beating to the one he took from sasquatch.. His healing factor since his adamantium was removed is exponentially better than before.. 😕

Originally posted by Alfheim
So he was still Koed.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well im pretty sure Wolverine has lots of low showings. If he has lots we do we just focus on the high ones, shouldnt their be a balance? Sabretooth has Koed Wolverine before as well right?

And yes there should be balance but it should be FAIR balance.. you can't look at Wolverine who is a character with 1,000 high end showings and 80 loe end showings and say that he'll perform at the low end spectrum half of the time... You have to consider percentage chances in these fights.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That was an upgraded Mr Hyde, prior to his upgrade he took shots from Thor. If thats what he could take before he got upgraded he must have been pretty tough.

Not saying he wasn't.. his pain and his pressure points etc etc still build up, and add up.. Wolverine's technically do to but his HF allows for that to take place over a SEVERLY longer period of time. 😬

Originally posted by Alfheim
Mr Hyde can take class 100 shots, so can Wolverine. If hes able to drop Mr Hyde hes dropping Wolverine.

Then he must be able to KO hulk to right?

It's terrible logic... Hyde's more suseptible to having his wounds build up to put him down faster where Wolverine isn't...

Hyde takes those shots because he's that durable.. Wolverine does because his skeleton is and his HF fixes the rest. they're not the same, you can't compare them the same.

again.. are you just going to ignore all the times Wolverine's had worse injuries and just waded through them like nothing.. (before you respond to that, you better know that since having worked on the respect thread I'm well aware that there are a GREAT many... ) 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
umm yeah, I'm aware of that... And it's been displayed on numerous occasions that Wolverine's easier to KO from behind than head on...
This is true in real life too.. If you have any friends in boxing or MMA ask them about it.. the hits that effect you the most are the one's you don't see coming..

Bro when you dont see a punch coming you dont block it or your guard is down. If you didnt see a punch coming but your guard was up it wouldnt effect you so bad unless the punch was very powerful. The reason why the punch you doint see coming effects you the most is because you are less protected, if you knew a punch was coming and you had no guard it would effect you more as well.

Originally posted by jinzin

He'd been fighting superheroes all day what'd you expect? and while he was up I DO think that his HF was to a point that would make the U.S. Agent KO plausible.. expecially considering (like I said before) that Wolverine got up almost immediately after that.

I see what you're saying but I dont think it would have made a difference in the same seris under the same writer he got Koed by Pip who also has class 10 strength and used a blunt object againt the back of his skull. This indicates even if he hadnt been fighting all day he would have still got Koed.

Originally posted by jinzin

And you can't really compare that beating to the one he took from sasquatch.. His healing factor since his adamantium was removed is exponentially better than before.. 😕

Uh dont get it im pretty sure the one im talking about was quite recent....your thinking of an old scuffle he had with sas.

Originally posted by jinzin

You're missing the point, if Logan with a depleted HF could get up that fast, then one without a hinderance who wasn't cheap shotted wouldn't have been KOed... it's a bad example for a reason....

I see what you're saying but I dont think it would have made a difference in the same seris under the same writer he got Koed by Pip who also has class 10 strength and used a blunt object againt the back of his skull. This indicates even if he hadnt been fighting all day he would have still got Koed.

To be afir US Agent had probably been fighting superheroes all day as well so he wouldnt have hit with full potential either.

Originally posted by jinzin

By bleeding Wolverine out, which is entirely different...

Um I saw sabretooth holding up in the air and hearing Wolverine neck go KRAK!

Originally posted by jinzin

And yes there should be balance but it should be FAIR balance.. you can't look at Wolverine who is a character with 1,000 high end showings and 80 loe end showings and say that he'll perform at the low end spectrum half of the time... You have to consider percentage chances in these fights.

Well to be fair im not an expert but ive heard other posters complain that Wolverine has 100s of low showngs as well not masterbruce...long pig. So basically until I start reading up its your word against his.

Originally posted by jinzin

Not saying he wasn't.. his pain and his pressure points etc etc still build up, and add up.. Wolverine's technically do to but his HF allows for that to take place over a SEVERLY longer period of time. 😬

Ok....

Originally posted by jinzin

Then he must be able to KO hulk to right?

What so your telling me if DD was able to KO class15 spiderman he woulndt be able to KO Scorpion? 😬

Originally posted by jinzin

It's terrible logic... Hyde's more suseptible to having his wounds build up to put him down faster where Wolverine isn't...

Hyde takes those shots because he's that durable.. Wolverine does because his skeleton is and his HF fixes the rest. they're not the same, you can't compare them the same.

Wait, wait ,wait so your telling me that Wolverine is immune to pressure points because his durability is "different"? 😬

Originally posted by jinzin

again.. are you just going to ignore all the times Wolverine's had worse injuries and just waded through them like nothing.. (before you respond to that, you better know that since having worked on the respect thread I'm well aware that there are a GREAT many... ) 😐

No im not. How many characters apart form Rhino have a disrespect thread? The whole reason why people get riled up about Wolverine is because he lots of low showings and then he has high showings while other characters seem to be more consistent.

Im not saying that he cant take class 100 shots but it seems if you hit him with enough force and enough skill in the right area regardless of wether his HF is depleted he is still going down.

Hell DD found the weak spot in a diamond Absorbing Man getting Koed by DD isnt even a low showing.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro when you dont see a punch coming you dont block it or your guard is down. If you didnt see a punch coming but your guard was up it wouldnt effect you so bad unless the punch was very powerful. The reason why the punch you doint see coming effects you the most is because you are less protected, if you knew a punch was coming and you had no guard it would effect you more as well.

So you agree with the thesis but you're arguing because??? 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
I see what you're saying but I dont think it would have made a difference in the same seris under the same writer he got Koed by Pip who also has class 10 strength and used a blunt object againt the back of his skull. This indicates even if he hadnt been fighting all day he would have still got Koed.

Well for one it wasn't the same series. One occured in Infinity Crusade, the other during Infinity War.
I don't know whether or not it was the same writer..
And frankly Pip KOing Logan ONCE in a fashion that goes against literally hundreds if not straight thousands of showings in one series doesn't indicate shite.

Wolverine was fighting guantlet style and got railed by a blindsiding Wonderman not two minutes before that happened...
You've got nothing to go off of but WILD and ILLOGICAL SPEC-U-LA-TION..... The only thing that comes close to proving your claim is the Pip example... which means absolutely nothing here..

It's a low showing, YOU KNOW it's a low showing, and you admitted that it was coming into this discussion but you're still trying to use it as evidence? In spite of the fact that it's invalidated by so many examples to the contrary that it has less than a 1% chance of possibility to happen. And even less than that by leagues when you consider Wolverine's acceleration in his healing factor.. you're arguing just for the sakeof arguing.. why do you do this Alf? It's ridiculous and franky a waste of my time.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Uh dont get it im pretty sure the one im talking about was quite recent....your thinking of an old scuffle he had with sas.

Yeah it's obvious you don't get it.. What I'm saying is that you can't compare a beating he took a dozen years ago to one that he took recently (from Sas for example) when they have clear differences and an explanation to boot.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I see what you're saying but I dont think it would have made a difference in the same seris under the same writer he got Koed by Pip who also has class 10 strength and used a blunt object againt the back of his skull. This indicates even if he hadnt been fighting all day he would have still got Koed.

To be afir US Agent had probably been fighting superheroes all day as well so he wouldnt have hit with full potential either.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Um I saw sabretooth holding up in the air and hearing Wolverine neck go KRAK!

Sabretooth bleeds Wolverine out to KO him.. in that instance Wolverine wasn't KOed he was probably heading that way with Sabretooth cutting off oxygen from his brain but even that's speculation seeing howit has a number of evidence against it.. He was blacking out, not KOed.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well to be fair im not an expert but ive heard other posters complain that Wolverine has 100s of low showngs as well not masterbruce...long pig. So basically until I start reading up its your word against his.

Long pig also said he had an admitted gripe against Wolverine, and said that Electro had an invincible force field... So why don't you read up? All you're going off is speculation, hear say, and bad evidence.. it's pathetic.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What so your telling me if DD was able to KO class15 spiderman he woulndt be able to KO Scorpion? 😬

But Hulk does.. so damage doesn't build up on him.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wait, wait ,wait so your telling me that Wolverine is immune to pressure points because his durability is "different"? 😬

Originally posted by Alfheim
No im not. How many characters apart form Rhino have a disrespect thread? The whole reason why people get riled up about Wolverine is because he lots of low showings and then he has high showings while other characters seem to be more consistent.

yes you are. If you're going to be using Pip the F*cking troll as your standard of evidence then you CLEARLY ARE ignoring hundreds upon hundreds of feats that Wolverine has to the contrary.

People get riled up about Wolverine because they don't like him plain and simple.. If a character you don't like is running around kicking everyone's ass it's only going to generate more frustration.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im not saying that he cant take class 100 shots but it seems if you hit him with enough force and enough skill in the right area regardless of wether his HF is depleted he is still going down.

Please Alf, you don't read the books, you go off speculation, you go off what you heard from someone else and yet here I am telling you different..

Stop dictating like you know more about the character than people that read his comics..

Originally posted by Alfheim
Hell DD found the weak spot in a diamond Absorbing Man getting Koed by DD isnt even a low showing.

It is when it's done in a way that goes against the characters majority history.

alf............come on man msot of what your saying is completely illogical and irrelevent

Originally posted by Battlehammer
alf............come on man msot of what your saying is completely illogical and irrelevent

Originally posted by masterbruce
😂 oh the irony...

like always you won't be able to back what you say.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
funny you would laugh..........you said black panther would speed blizt wolverine............then you even tried to say that black panther was faster then sabertooth...........

that was pretty irrelevant 🙄

Originally posted by masterbruce
that was pretty irrelevant 🙄

wow i cant believe i too the time to read all the post put down here... this has pretty much left the original topic.... jinzin i have some questions for you later about wolverine.... bruce take a stand on the topic at hand not at the posters in here... and capt dont take this the worng way but if you review alot of your post you do sound kinda rabid

Originally posted by jinzin
So you agree with the thesis but you're arguing because??? 😐

Well what point are you trying to make? So if Wolverine knew that US agent was creeping up on him he would have been able to take the shot? If your not saying that then their was no point in bringing it up.

Originally posted by jinzin

Well for one it wasn't the same series. One occured in Infinity Crusade, the other during Infinity War.
I don't know whether or not it was the same writer..
And frankly Pip KOing Logan ONCE in a fashion that goes against literally hundreds if not straight thousands of showings in one series doesn't indicate shite.

Wolverine was fighting guantlet style and got railed by a blindsiding Wonderman not two minutes before that happened...
You've got nothing to go off of but WILD and ILLOGICAL SPEC-U-LA-TION..... The only thing that comes close to proving your claim is the Pip example... which means absolutely nothing here..

Infinity gauntlet, war and crusade were all written by the same writer. Jim Starlin, so no its not speculation. Pip has class 10 strength and US agent has class 10 strength. Both Pip and US both used a blunt object and hit Wolverine on the back of the skull with full force. This therefore indicates since it was written by the same person that Wolverine would have still got KOed regardless of wether his HF was depleted or not.

Originally posted by jinzin

It's a low showing, YOU KNOW it's a low showing, and you admitted that it was coming into this discussion but you're still trying to use it as evidence? In spite of the fact that it's invalidated by so many examples to the contrary that it has less than a 1% chance of possibility to happen. And even less than that by leagues when you consider Wolverine's acceleration in his healing factor.. you're arguing just for the sakeof arguing.. why do you do this Alf? It's ridiculous and franky a waste of my time.

Well what it proves is that Wolverine has a weak spot for the back of the head. These other incidences may not have involved that, but again wether you like it or not his HF is inconsistent.

Didnt Wolverine fight the Invaders, took a beating from Namor, Namor then hit him several times with a steel girder. Got shot by Us Agent, hit in the face by US Agent and blown up?

I dunno man didnt Namor KO Wolverine with one shot to the back of the head. Yeah Wolverine fought his guard before but did he take multiple class 100 shots get hit with a steel girder get shot with armour piercing bullets and get blown up? It could be argued that if he took the punishement like he did from the Invaders he shouldnt be getting Koed by Namor with one shot to the back of the head.

Originally posted by jinzin

Yeah it's obvious you don't get it.. What I'm saying is that you can't compare a beating he took a dozen years ago to one that he took recently (from Sas for example) when they have clear differences and an explanation to boot.

Ok i'll go with that if that was before his HF got accelerated

Originally posted by jinzin

read above...
and the only person Agent fought was Beast, who was recovering from being KOed and ALSO cheapshotted.
Stop trying to dictate comic affairs you haven't read.

Well I know who wrote and even know who the artist is eventhough I havent read all of them. Ive read infinity Crusade but not all of it. Anyway ive provided an explanation.

Originally posted by jinzin

I think it said Krk.. and? so? So what?

Sabretooth bleeds Wolverine out to KO him.. in that instance Wolverine wasn't KOed he was probably heading that way with Sabretooth cutting off oxygen from his brain but even that's speculation seeing howit has a number of evidence against it.. He was blacking out, not KOed.

He was bleeding him out....I just saw him holding him up. Anyway if he was blacking him out he can KO him. Tell what issue was it?

Originally posted by jinzin

Long pig also said he had an admitted gripe against Wolverine, and said that Electro had an invincible force field... So why don't you read up?

I dunno about that but you're not perfect either. Hell even Digi has a gripe against Wolverine. Long pig maybe a bad example but I can give you loads of examples of people who have a gripe against him. Thanos goes around beating everybody up nobodies got a gripe against him. People have a gripe against Wolverine because hes inconsistent.

Originally posted by jinzin

All you're going off is speculation, hear say, and bad evidence.. it's pathetic.

Whatever.

Originally posted by jinzin

You don't understand the comparison.. Do Spidey or Scorps have healing factors? Not to a degree that matters in a fight..

But Hulk does.. so damage doesn't build up on him.

Frankly.. yes.. Wolverine has a self sustaining durability.. any damage inflicted on him is repaired.. Is he effected by pressure points? Sure... of course.. but do they effect him in any long lasted manner?
Nu...uh... ❌

Yes I can compare the two because when you pressure point a person with superhuman durability and a person with superhuman regnerative abilities the samething happens. Furthermore Cap has registered a presure point on the HUlk, did his HF stop him from registering it, no. The interesting thing is that Cap used a pressure point on Namor, the samething happened but Namor was stunned for longer. So yes they are comparable.

Originally posted by jinzin

yes you are. If you're going to be using Pip the F*cking troll as your standard of evidence then you CLEARLY ARE ignoring hundreds upon hundreds of feats that Wolverine has to the contrary.

People get riled up about Wolverine because they don't like him plain and simple.. If a character you don't like is running around kicking everyone's ass it's only going to generate more frustration.

How does it seem that way Alf?
The only way it could possibly seem that way to anyone is:
1) If you're ignoring the capability of Wolverine's HF.
2) Ignoring Wolverine secondary stage of mutation since his adamantium removal.
3) Ignoring hundreds of his showings which dictate otherwise.
4) Convinving yourself to think that a few low end showings take precedence over multitudes of high end showings.
5) Ignoring that low end showings are low end showings and not a standard...

Please Alf, you don't read the books, you go off speculation, you go off what you heard from someone else and yet here I am telling you different..

Stop dictating like you know more about the character than people that read his comics..

NO HF... irrelivent..

It is when it's done in a way that goes against the characters majority history.

Im not dictating anything im having a debate. All that doesnt change the fact that Wolverine got Koed by US agent and Pip under the same writer under very similar circumstances. DD Koing Wolverine is a legitimate feat as explained. If im porved wrong i'll admit such as im not using the sas example anymore because as you stated it was before his HF got accelerated.

Regardless of wether ive read the comics or not im pretty sure if I pestered somebody they could find me loads of inconsistnet HF feats. thats why he has a disrespect thread and theres an avatar saying "Im the best at what I do and what I do is overated."

furthermore what are these other cases. Are they all the same, all these hundred os examples the back of the head. Are these hundred of examples involving pressure point. Namor has taken a Nuke but hes still been floored by Cap and Koed briefly underwater. Just because you can one type of damage doesnt make you immune to everything.

Originally posted by Alfheim

I dunno man didnt Namor KO Wolverine with one shot to the back of the head. Yeah Wolverine fought his guard before but did he take multiple class 100 shots get hit with a steel girder get shot with armour piercing bullets and get blown up? It could be argued that if he took the punishement like he did from the Invaders he shouldnt be getting Koed by Namor with one shot to the back of the head.

My bad Wolverine had fought some of the Atlantanean royal guard before he fought Namor.

In another issue Wolverine gets his throat cut and is lying on the floor recovering, some guys actually come along and save him. This seems to contradict the fcat that Gorgon put a sword through is throat and he was just talking.

Originally posted by Alfheim

In another issue Wolverine gets his throat cut and is lying on the floor recovering, some guys actually come along and save him. This seems to contradict the fcat that Gorgon put a sword through is throat and he was just talking.

That also seems to be another bad example because they used adamantuim to cut his thraot as they stated it was like they almost cut his head off.

Anyway you did state that Kitty once took his his throat out. I dont know what circumstances they were under. Id he had an adamntuim skeleton she shouldnt have been able to do that.

I know this makes me sound pretty thick, but what does the term "bleeding him out", mean

Originally posted by BUSTER1
I know this makes me sound pretty thick, but what does the term "bleeding him out", mean

Its when you drain all the blood out of somebody.

Originally posted by Alfheim

Infinity gauntlet, war and crusade were all written by the same writer. Jim Starlin, so no its not speculation. Pip has class 10 strength and US agent has class 10 strength. Both Pip and US both used a blunt object and hit Wolverine on the back of the skull with full force. This therefore indicates since it was written by the same person that Wolverine would have still got KOed regardless of wether his HF was depleted or not.

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Originally posted by Alfheim
I dunno man didnt Namor KO Wolverine with one shot to the back of the head. Yeah Wolverine fought his guard before but did he take multiple class 100 shots get hit with a steel girder get shot with armour piercing bullets and get blown up? It could be argued that if he took the punishement like he did from the Invaders he shouldnt be getting Koed by Namor with one shot to the back of the head..

your forgetting the fact Logan had just healed from a skeleton. Fought namors guards. Fought namor, then namor guards again and then was cheap shotted from behind.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes I can compare the two because when you pressure point a person with superhuman durability and a person with superhuman regnerative abilities the samething happens. Furthermore Cap has registered a presure point on the HUlk, did his HF stop him from registering it, no. The interesting thing is that Cap used a pressure point on Namor, the samething happened but Namor was stunned for longer. So yes they are comparable.

Namor durability blocks the attack. Logan HF heals the damage. There completely different. a nerve attack would heal instantly for Logan that would not hold true with namor.

Your logic is flawed. Also I loved to see were hulk has been effected by pressure point attacks

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well what point are you trying to make? So if Wolverine knew that US agent was creeping up on him he would have been able to take the shot? If your not saying that then their was no point in bringing it up.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Infinity gauntlet, war and crusade were all written by the same writer. Jim Starlin, so no its not speculation.

Umm yeah it is speculation, regardless if it was the same writer.. why? Because that same writer had Wolverine taking shots from Wonderman repeatidly and standing up to them.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Pip has class 10 strength and US agent has class 10 strength. Both Pip and US both used a blunt object and hit Wolverine on the back of the skull with full force. This therefore indicates since it was written by the same person that Wolverine would have still got KOed regardless of wether his HF was depleted or not.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well what it proves is that Wolverine has a weak spot for the back of the head. These other incidences may not have involved that, but again wether you like it or not his HF is inconsistent.

Sasquatch hit Logan in the back of the head.. nothing.
A stealth hit Logan from behind.. nadda.
Puck ran into the pack of his dome with a plane, he just got knocked over.
Rogue punched him full force from behind... he got up and one shotted psylocke.
Deathshead II slammed in him the back of the head.. He got gutted for his troubles.
Hulk smashed him with a red wood.. he jumped up out of the debris...

You can't sit there and seriously try to validate 1 moment of PIS like it means something Alf. You're such a joke kid.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Didnt Wolverine fight the Invaders, took a beating from Namor, Namor then hit him several times with a steel girder. Got shot by Us Agent, hit in the face by US Agent and blown up?

And what exactly do you think that proves? Considering that Wolveirne just stood up and Agent holding Namor was forced to run away...

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dunno man didnt Namor KO Wolverine with one shot to the back of the head. Yeah Wolverine fought his guard before but did he take multiple class 100 shots get hit with a steel girder get shot with armour piercing bullets and get blown up? It could be argued that if he took the punishement like he did from the Invaders he shouldnt be getting Koed by Namor with one shot to the back of the head.

Are you serious? Do you really know SO LITTLE about comics that you aren't even aware of the series of events that took place in books that have been posted on the forums? I mean SHI*!

Uhhh no.. Wolverine got blown to a skeleton, healed, THEN fought Janus (who's class 60-70 at the least), THEN fought Namor who actually hit Logan several times during that fight... In most circumstances he wouldn't have been KOed but he had to regenerate 99% of his body.. you don't think that affected the outcome of the fight?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well I know who wrote and even know who the artist is eventhough I havent read all of them. Ive read infinity Crusade but not all of it. Anyway ive provided an explanation.

So what? I can go to uncannyxmen.net and look up writers and artists for multitudes of books.. doesn't mean I know the first thing about the story.
And, you're explanation sucks at it hinges on validating clear cut PIS as something besides PIS.

Originally posted by Alfheim
He was bleeding him out....I just saw him holding him up. Anyway if he was blacking him out he can KO him. Tell what issue was it?

But not by blunt force, which is the point of this conversation.
The fact that you need me to tell you what issue that happened in is only further adding to the fact that you know approximately jack and sh*t about Logan's history.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dunno about that but you're not perfect either. Hell even Digi has a gripe against Wolverine. Long pig maybe a bad example but I can give you loads of examples of people who have a gripe against him. Thanos goes around beating everybody up nobodies got a gripe against him. People have a gripe against Wolverine because hes inconsistent.

Perfect? No.. but do I let my appreciation for characters get into the way of my view on the outcome to these fights? No.

EVERY COMIC BOOK CHARACTER IS INCONSISTENT.. people have a gripe with Logan because they don't like him... plain and simple.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes I can compare the two because when you pressure point a person with superhuman durability and a person with superhuman regnerative abilities the samething happens.

🤨
uhhhhh no..

One person heals the other person doesn't...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Furthermore Cap has registered a presure point on the HUlk, did his HF stop him from registering it, no.

Did it keep something like pressure points from building up to the point of being beaten? No...

Originally posted by Alfheim
The interesting thing is that Cap used a pressure point on Namor, the samething happened but Namor was stunned for longer. So yes they are comparable.

NO THEY ARE NOT...

ONE HEALS.

ONE DOES NOT HEAL...

CHRIST!

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im not dictating anything im having a debate. All that doesnt change the fact that Wolverine got Koed by US agent and Pip under the same writer under very similar circumstances. DD Koing Wolverine is a legitimate feat as explained. If im porved wrong i'll admit such as im not using the sas example anymore because as you stated it was before his HF got accelerated.

Similar circumstances? Hmm I didn't know that Wolveirne fought a gaggle of superheroes and took a beating from Wonderman before being cheap shotted after dropping Gamora in Infinity War.. 🙄

And you constantly trying to validate PIS as anything but PIS does't make it valid. No matter how many times you try to insinuate otherwise.
DD Koing Wolverine has never happened. But the throat chop thing is STILL NOT LEGITIMATE when you consider Logan's powerset, and his consitency dealing with worse.. ESPECIALLY on these forums where we have characters operating at their peak and not at their worst.

The PIP example, AND the US Agent example came before the HF acceleration and yet you still use those.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Regardless of wether ive read the comics or not im pretty sure if I pestered somebody they could find me loads of inconsistnet HF feats. thats why he has a disrespect thread and theres an avatar saying "Im the best at what I do and what I do is overated."

He doesn't always have the best circumstances for his HF to operate at peak condition in the comics, so it doesn't perform at peak condition all the time in the stories... However, Wolverie doesn't suffer from that on the forums.

Originally posted by Alfheim
furthermore what are these other cases. Are they all the same, all these hundred os examples the back of the head. Are these hundred of examples involving pressure point. Namor has taken a Nuke but hes still been floored by Cap and Koed briefly underwater. Just because you can one type of damage doesnt make you immune to everything.

two, any shot from a Brick would be worse than any pressure point DD could muster..

I ain't being funny but i reckon, against Karnack, Wolverine wins 10/10

Not in the mood to respond to that post. I'll respond to it tommorow.

Karnak has this one

wolverine wins via healing factor and berserker rage. while in a berserker rage his offensive becomes totally unpredictable and
effective against the best martial artists. logan has used this against other martials artists (with telepathy) trained in aliens arts.....and won.karnak does not have tp. logan would chop him into scallop potatoes with his claws.