Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's people who walk around with their noses up because they like Bob Dylan's lyrics that you have to question.-AC
Hey, it's not my falt that you don't get him, man. He jsut...he speaks to your soul. Dude...you just don't understand. I understand. I am better than you.
Wow, who knew this would be so popular?
Anywho, in response to screaming Bob Dylan and Shakespeare, remember, not all harsh vocals are indecipherable. I find a great deal of black metal vocals and Amon Amarth to be quite easy to understand. In fact, I've always wondered what a harsh vocal version of Bohemian Rhapsody would sound like... 🥷
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriExactly. Bands like Converge and Refused wouldnt sound nearly as good without screaming.
At least metal bands have fans that only care what it sounds like, regardless of how they act. They've got the right idea.It's people who walk around with their noses up because they like Bob Dylan's lyrics that you have to question.
-AC
Originally posted by RedAlertv2
Exactly. Bands like Converge and Refused wouldnt sound nearly as good without screaming.
Although Jane Doe (The song) features Jacob Bannon singing, and it's arguably one of the best metal album closers, in my opinion.
Grim Heart/Black Rose was one of the better songs off their new album, that had singing. Converge aren't a band that play fast, loud and harsh because that's all they CAN do, they do it because it's what they want to do, the opposite of what VVD suggested; Screaming because you can't sing.
-AC
Originally posted by RedAlertv2
Exactly. Bands like Converge and Refused wouldnt sound nearly as good without screaming.
I think Converge are terrible musicians, personally. That's art, made for themselves, not music. Just because they incorporate musical instruments doesn't mean it's necessarily "music". Anyone who latches on, for whatever reason, because I can't find one, is a bonus to the band. It's the compliments they get that baffle me.
"Converge kick ass!". At what? Expression? Noise? Because there doesn't look to be any real craftsmanship. Kind of like a heavy metal Pollock.
Like I said, to each their own. Sometimes it's kind of funny trying to reason their following.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Are you suggesting that vocals in which the lyrics are unclear serve no purpose?I doubt you are, because that would make you an idiot.
In post-hardcore namely, I don't know why bands go to such great lengths to be so prophetic and poetic when the words are indistinguishable. They can serve a purpose if that's their intention. Wether it's realized by the people it's intended for is a whole 'nother story.
Cases in point why I go out of my way to find unique, engaging, and most importantly audible music, with minor exceptions, and subsequently why I can listen to so few bands.
Like I said before, I fail to understand how so many bands are content with sounding alike, when their passion and "art" is being mimiced by every new "hardcore" band that pops on MySpace or on Victory Records. No distinction.
Originally posted by Bardiel13
And in most cases, everyone can rest easy that is false.
Most cases?
Here's the popular scenario: Take Killswitch Engage's Howard Jones, he screams, then he sings. People say "HE CAN DO BOTH!". Yes, literally he can. Most of those run of the mill metal bands have lead singers with a typical "good singing voice" that convinces kids they are good singers.
Howard Jones starts crooning and all the people go "He's such a good singer!". He's not, he's just singing in a way that is perceived as good singing. Nothing against the man, I'm not a fan but you could do worse. I just think he's a good example.
Originally posted by The Core
I think Converge are terrible musicians, personally.
It doesn't matter what you think, personally. Kurt Ballou and Ben Koller are two of the more respected guitarists and drummers (Respectively) in heavy music. It's not a matter of whether or not you like them, the fact that they are talented on their instruments isn't for you to decide.
Whether or not you like what they do with them is up to you.
Originally posted by The Core
That's art, made for themselves, not music. Just because they incorporate musical instruments doesn't mean it's necessarily "music".
A) That's exactly the way it should be. Make music for you and for yourself, because if you're making music for fans, you have a limited lifespan and you're idiots. Rush make music for themselves, 30 year career of greatness. Britney Spears makes if for her fans...anyone? Anyone predict a 30 year respected career?
B) It's music. It doesn't have to be melodic to be music, you seem to be stuck in a way of defining things incorrectly. You are applying the "I don't think it is, so it's simply not." rationale. You don't have the right to do that in any other area than whether you think it's good or bad.
Originally posted by The Core
Anyone who latches on, for whatever reason, because I can't find one, is a bonus to the band. It's the compliments they get that baffle me.
The problem is, you're baffled. You're baffled because you don't understand and what they do simply doesn't appeal to you. You like Throwdown and Chimaira; You're far from infallible.
Originally posted by The Core
"Converge kick ass!". At what? Expression? Noise? Because there doesn't look to be any real craftsmanship. Kind of like a heavy metal Pollock.
At being a band and making music. You seem to be suggesting that because it's not melodic, it's not music. "I can't see it, so it's not there.". That's stupid.
Originally posted by The Core
I don't know why bands go to such great lengths to be so prophetic and poetic when the words are indistinguishable. They can serve a purpose if that's their intention. Wether it's realized by the people it's intended for is a whole 'nother story.
I know this may come as a shocking revelation, but what if...WHAT IF...it's intended for them, and not the fans? What if, heaven forbid, they actually did it all for their own enjoyment? You're stuck in a cycle of assuming they simply must be doing it for others, and therefore it's pointless to make them indecipherable. You're complaining about not understanding Jacob Bannon's lyrics because you don't like Converge.
Converge fans don't care that you can't hear the lyrics that well, because they concentrate on what they're all doing and enjoying it, whatever each of them believes it is. I love Converge, if I want their lyrics I go to a site.
Originally posted by The Core
Cases in point why I go out of my way to find unique, engaging, and most importantly audible music, with minor exceptions, and subsequently why I can listen to so few bands.Like I said before, I fail to understand how so many bands are content with sounding alike, when their passion and "art" is being mimiced by every new "hardcore" band that pops on MySpace or on Victory Records. No distinction.
A) All music is audible.
B) Why should a band with a sound change simply because many are ripping them off? Just because fans can't make the distinction and apply respect and admiration accordingly, doesn't mean the bands have to cater to them and change to make it easier.
You seem to believe that the fans have some entitlement here, and you're wrong.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI havent heard that particular song, but Im hopefully getting Jane Doe for Christmas. I have, however, heard Brannon singing on "The Saddest Day," and honestly, I strongly prefer his screaming.
Although Jane Doe (The song) features Jacob Bannon singing, and it's arguably one of the best metal album closers, in my opinion.-AC
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Yes I know, my mistake. I'm sorry.They only have one song and repeat it endlessly.
I see what you did there, mildly funny.
False, though. Seeing as your next option is to either say they have more than two songs or less than one, I'd say you're a bit stuck. Didn't quite think that through did you?
Say they've got three songs, go on.
-AC