Civil War Report

Started by Scoobless258 pages
Originally posted by roughrider
A small side note in the middle of all this, but has Thor Girl been seen in any tie-in issues? I just read her updated bio; says she has signed with the Pro-Registration movement.

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I highly doubt the Designate is going to get involved in a political dispute.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
When you're being arrested or something alike you don't have the right to tell officers to put their guns down

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Jews didn't have the legal rights to refuse being sent to concentration camps either.

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Originally posted by NiñoAraña
because he's one of the most powerful heroes on earth right now....he's not goign to sit idley (hopefully 🙁 ) like he's doing in civil war....these will be people he does not care about (minus hulk)

long story short : million exploding suns time baby 😈

I like the Sentry, dont get me wrong but the problem I have with the character is that his mind is very fragile and he seems easily manipulated. He needs to have more confidence and really stand up for his beliefs.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I like the Sentry, dont get me wrong but the problem I have with the character is that his mind is very fragile and he seems easily manipulated. He needs to have more confidence and really stand up for his beliefs.
and he will, as soon as Hulk beats the snot out of the people he loves around him...

Originally posted by NiñoAraña
they did assault him though, they rushed him, and some already had shot, just puttin some input on the subject

No, Cap reacted before the soldiers fired or moved on him. In his defence they were cocking their guns and aiming at him but he struck the first blow.

Originally posted by Scoobless
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I highly doubt the Designate is going to get involved in a political dispute.

Jews didn't have the legal rights to refuse being sent to concentration camps either.

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She's not the Designate anymore; sacrificing her cosmic powers against Surtur years ago, she's listed as just having the powers she had as Thor Girl, currently. That she's signed with the Pro-Reg side, it caught my attention.

Originally posted by marvelprince
No, Cap reacted before the soldiers fired or moved on him. In his defence they were cocking their guns and aiming at him but he struck the first blow.
i guess....two wrongs don't make a right, so they shouldn't have cocked and aimed, he shouldn't have destroyed their pride 😛

Oh well, they got their asses handed to them for their efforts!

Originally posted by Scoobless

Jews didn't have the legal rights to refuse being sent to concentration camps either.

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Are you seriously comparing putting on a costume and fighting crime to practicing a religion?!? 🤨

Besides, all the heroes have to do is sign a piece of paper or just stop being heroes if they don't have powers. I mean, its not like SHEILD doesn't already know who they are or anything

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
"el dinamico un"=DynamicOne=the guy behind the reason why the thread was closed. If it is u, I hope u dont start shit again!

miras tu pinche retressado, dont qo hoppin on my backside, and dont antaqonize me. you see how no one else said anythinq neqative, follow suit chilito. Anyway I wanted to comment on qrimm about comparinq the concetration camps to pro req forces. It's not as simple as to just stop suitinq up everday bc you dont want to siqn on; these people are beinq told to stop beinq who they and to stop believinq what you believe. A history lesson for you as well: There were Jews who could pass for qerman and qave up beinq Jewish to not be called out and there were Jews who altered their looks via makeup and hair dye to blend in. Of course these were only the ones who could afford it. The co-relation I'm tryinq to draw is that sure its easier for you to just qo with the flow, or forsake your own beliefs to qo with the times, but what riqht do people have to try and chanqe who you are, especially in the case of heroes, people who constantly saved the world, without collectinq a check.

First: If u dont know the laguage, please dont speak it and I only mentioned it because the thread that we use to discuss Civil War got closed because of u for the most part and I cant speak for evryone else but I for one wont like that to happen again. That being said I wont mention the subject again. "Those Who Forget the Past ... ... are doomed to repeat it"

In light of all this discussion of rights, I feel the need to bring up something that I see as an issue...

Regardless of weather people want to be heroes or not, freedom HAS to be balanced against public safety. Freedom of expression is clearly limited when it becomes a danger (or in many cases even a percieved danger) simply because total legal anarchy (while i may morally agree with it in principal) is not optimal for maintaing the current standard of living and benefits we enjoy in Western Capatilist societies.

Put simply, there need to be some rules or else certain parts of our complex society would fall apart.

Now, given that situations like Stanford are a potential outcome of superheroing, there is obvious legal precidence for imposing the registration (though the N zone prison and employment of former villians in the thunderbolts are touchier subjects, and should probably be delt with seperatly).

However, who achually thinks that the registration and government control of the heroes is going to lead to a reduction in the threat posed to society as a whole.

In the short term it has clearly made things more dangerous and allowed some erosion on prisoners rights. Does anyone think that proposed government plan to control heros will make people safer?

My thoughts on Civil war is that most heroes who dont register do so out of the fear people they love could be targeted but you have to think, fair enough but does that give them a right to put Innocents in danger?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
My thoughts on Civil war is that most heroes who dont register do so out of the fear people they love could be targeted but you have to think, fair enough but does that give them a right to put Innocents in danger?

They do more good and save more lives and the planet itself countless times more than some idiotes abuse their powers or make messes like Stamford. Like I said before, super heroes should be policed/trained by other super heroes, in the M.U it should be the Avengers, JLA for DC. Their roster are so big that they can actually have some members oversee other "supers" actions. The government if left to them in the end will use the "supers" to their own selfish needs.

"What do you think Mr. Horse?" Nope, I don't like it." la la la la i can't hear you. Anyway I aqree with what you are sayinq inamalist. It's kind of how the war on druqs has failed to qarner success. However as far as personal freedom and public safety qoes I really think that this hinders and is counterproductive to public safety. Imaqine how before teams could respond to a current or incominq threat in a timely fashion bc they could act independently of the qovernment thus circumvent the bureacratic qarbaqe. Imaqine if everytime a threat popped up on the screen you had to qet permission from the feds to act on it. Think about how much red tape that is to qo throuqh. or how about teaminq up with other people, now you have to qet permission for that, and you have to think about actinq outside of your jurisdiction. How slow would it be if spiderman had to wait for proper papers to team up with daredevil, or for the avenqers to team up with some stranqe visitor from the cruton dimension We already saw wonderman qet ordered under a threat by hill. These are just some of the possible implications and implementations of the future.

When has beuracracy ever come into play? As far as i know all they want is for them to have proper training and to be accountable.What is so wrong with that?They will still be able to lead there lives but this way they can be responsible and have some experience before they hit the field.If you look at civil war so far iron mans side is benefitting from working with shield as it gives all heroes access to greater weaponry and technology.

Originally posted by el dinamico un
Imaqine how before teams could respond to a current or incominq threat in a timely fashion bc they could act independently of the qovernment thus circumvent the bureacratic qarbaqe.

That being said, one thing that I wouldve liked to see in CW is an opportunistic attack of one of the M.U biggets threaths whether it be Kang, Doom, Magneto etc. If I was a super villain I would be thinking "What better time to attack than now". The heroes are divided, half of them probably wont be able to help which would leave the M.U vulnerable and the effects the SRA truly had.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Nope, they were cocking their weapons before Cap and Maria Hill even finished talking and she never said he was under arrest. As a soldier Cap has to be ready for anything and he fealt threathened by the soldiers cocking their weapons. He acted accordingly.
The "arrest" thing was an analogy. If a soldier is about to be detained by other soldiers for refusing orders, he does not have the right to tell them let me leave or I'll hurt you. Then attack them and steal a plane.
Originally posted by Scoobless
Jews didn't have the legal rights to refuse being sent to concentration camps either.

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Please don't tell me you're comparing Captain America disobeying orders and refusing to be arrested/detained to Jews in Nazi Germany.

I.e. people who choose to be costumed vigilantes who are being made to work under the auspices of government rather than work as free agents vs people who are born to an ethnic/religious group who were systematically persecuted and exterminated.

Just no.

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Originally posted by Darth Vicious
That being said, one thing that I wouldve liked to see in CW is an opportunistic attack of one of the M.U biggets threaths whether it be Kang, Doom, Magneto etc. If I was a super villain I would be thinking "What better time to attack than now". The heroes are divided, half of them probably wont be able to help which would leave the M.U vulnerable and the effects the SRA truly had.

thats what im thining also...Magneto has been repowered for a calender year now(dont know how long that is in conituity) but this was always a world domination knda guy kang is an Avengers foe..it would be stupid for him to make a move without them to oppose him, Doom just came from hell he needs to chill, plus he might need some time to live down the embarrasing defeat he suffrered at the hands of BP😄

Anyone looking forward to the new Silent War comic? Inhumans get their time to shine.

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0107/SILENTWAR001_cov.jpg
http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/0207/SILENTWAR002_cov.jpg
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/750/750605/marvel-in-march-2007-20061212060909471.jpg

Pretty nice art. I like the Inhumans so will probably have a look-see at it at least.