Originally posted by Priest
Whats stoping thor from erasing the GL's memory?
The fact that Hal and Kyle have excellent telepathy blocking defenses.
Hal and Kyle can do anything the want, whereas Thor is kinda limited. Thor's power set is good for some wins, but not the majority. That's how I see this fight. 😬
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If you compare Feats on the Respect threads, Kyle and Hal have waay more and higher feats than either thor or Brb. They even trump the surfer in feats. I dont' see what's so hard to accept about them winning the majority given thier feats.
They do? thats about as debatable as it gets.... 🙄
Originally posted by batdude123
What's not debatable about it? Surfer has shown more versatility with his power cosmic.Kyle has shown every ounce of power Surfer has.
Starheart energies, Queen of Fable's ghouls' energies, etc.
His will. What's stopping Hal from sucking Thor into the ring itself?
No Surfer has not, compare the feats and whats been done if you wish.
And Surfer has stated that Thor is more powerful than he, and it has been shown.
Starheart energy is mystical or magical in nature?
Is a ghoul a hammer which has been enchanted by an uber skyfather?
What magical energies has Hal absorbed?
Whats stopping Thor from sucking away Hal's life force?
Originally posted by Soujaboy
No Surfer has not, compare the feats and whats been done if you wish.And Surfer has stated that Thor is more powerful than he, and it has been shown.
Starheart energy is mystical or magical in nature?
Is a ghoul a hammer which has been enchanted by an uber skyfather?
What magical energies has Hal absorbed?
Whats stopping Thor from sucking away Hal's life force?
I honestly couldn't give two shits about how Thor compares to Silver Surfer.
Starheart energy? Hell yes it is.
First of all, all you asked was if Kyle has manipulated magical energy.... which is a yes. And yeah, the Queen of Fables is an uber powerful magical skyfather.
He's done it plenty of times.
A shield, and a stronger will power.
There's so many different ways Hal & Kyle can win this fight, it's rediculous. Thor and BRB are LIMITED, whereas Hal and Kyle are not.
Originally posted by batdude123Um since SS is basically Hal or Kyle on their best days then yeah how Thor compares to SS is important.
I honestly couldn't give two shits about how Thor compares to Silver Surfer.Starheart energy? Hell yes it is.
First of all, all you asked was if Kyle has manipulated magical energy.... which is a yes. And yeah, the Queen of Fables is an uber powerful magical skyfather.
He's done it plenty of times.
A shield, and a stronger will power.
There's so many different ways Hal & Kyle can win this fight, it's rediculous. Thor and BRB are LIMITED, whereas Hal and Kyle are not.
Now what is this Thor and BRB limited crap everything you said to defeat them Thor and BRB could do back to Kyle and Hal.
Transmutation well Kyle and Hal are now gasses oh they protect themselves with there rings guess what Thor and BRB protect themselves with their hammers get got it good.
The difference Thor and BRB can take this close up while Kyle and Hal can't because two Superman level strength characters aren't what they want to fight up close.
And Hal and Kyle's feats aren't that good since SS can remake an entire planet and the big bang feat is considered PIS by everyone with any real common sense on this board.
All this versaitlity they have against Thor and BRB aren't that good everything you've stated that they can do Thor and BRB have a counter or the ability to do it back it's simple give me a feat you think would beat Thor and BRB and I'll give you something Thor can do back and r absorb.
Originally posted by Newjak
Um since SS is basically Hal or Kyle on their best days then yeah how Thor compares to SS is important.
All the Thor and Silver Surfer fights have consisted of Silver Surfer flying around on his board and blasting away at Thor. I'm not impressed.
Not to mention the GLs have an advantage over Norrin. Each ring has an intelligent computer fitted inside of it. The ring can fend for itself w/o the user having to actually will it.
Originally posted by Newjak
Now what is this Thor and BRB limited crap
Yes, they are limited compared to Hal and Kyle. They can't do anything they will like Kyle and Hal can.
Originally posted by Newjak
everything you said to defeat them Thor and BRB could do back to Kyle and Hal.
Um, I really haven't named any specifics. It would be too monotonous for me to do that, considering they can literally to anything they want. For me to list a way for them to win seems kinda restrictory.
Originally posted by Newjak
Transmutation well Kyle and Hal are now gasses oh they protect themselves with there rings guess what Thor and BRB protect themselves with their hammers get got it good.
So Thor and BRB have protected themselves from transmutation w/ their hammers before?
Originally posted by Newjak
The difference Thor and BRB can take this close up while Kyle and Hal can't because two Superman level strength characters aren't what they want to fight up close.
Strength HARDLY matters in this fight considering Hal and Kyle can will themselves to be their equals in strength.
Hal broke Cyborg Superman's jaw, and he beat Mongul in a h2h fight before.
Kyle when he got mad punched asteroids to dust.
Oh, and a huge advantage the GLs can give themselves is speed. Their speed feats trump the shit out of any speed feats Thor or BRB have shown. Kyle has flown from one end of the universe to the other in under a day...
Originally posted by Newjak
And Hal and Kyle's feats aren't that good since SS can remake an entire planet and the big bang feat is considered PIS by everyone with any real common sense on this board.
Huh?
Kyle has indeed remaid planets before, and he's manipulated a solar system before.
Not to mention all of the other crazy crap he's done as well.
Nothing Norrin has shown puts him over Kyle.
Originally posted by Newjak
All this versaitlity they have against Thor and BRB aren't that good
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Originally posted by Newjak
everything you've stated that they can do Thor and BRB have a counter or the ability to do it back it's simple give me a feat you think would beat Thor and BRB and I'll give you something Thor can do back and r absorb.
Why should I do that? Hal and Kyle can do anything they want, and Thor and BRB are limited to whatever the hammer can do.
Like I've said before; the power contained in the hammer is enough for a few wins outta 10, but at the end of the day Hal and Kyle would take the majority.
Originally posted by batdude123I'm not saying they were impressive but the fact is SS is just as good as Kyle and Hal and Thor is in the same league as SS and his powers can rival that of SS's so to say that Thor and BRB are going to be overwhelmed by Hal and Kyle is in fact a stupid thought on anyones part sondiering the being they have faced
All the Thor and Silver Surfer fights have consisted of Silver Surfer flying around on his board and blasting away at Thor. I'm not impressed.
Not to mention the GLs have an advantage over Norrin. Each ring has an intelligent computer fitted inside of it. The ring can fend for itself w/o the user having to actually will it.SS has better reaction abilities then the GLs so whatever the ring can counter SS can think just as fast so no they don't have an advantage and by the way most of what the GLs have their rings do have to be pre-programed unless your refering to the auto-shields which aren't that good.
Yes, they are limited compared to Hal and Kyle. They can't do anything they will like Kyle and Hal can.😆 This staement I'm sorry. Of course I can't argue it has been stated that the rings can do whatever they want but honestly you've got to have some common sense here BD. I mean Hulk has unlimited strength but no one is aying he is going to win an arm wrestling match with Eternity. Also they may be able to do alot but honestly why are GLs considered Herald level oh wait because they are herald level.
Basically if you give any feat you want I can gurante I can come up with something similar for Thor so while they may have more potential feats and power levels stat otherwise.
Um, I really haven't named any specifics. It would be too monotonous for me to do that, considering they can literally to anything they want. For me to list a way for them to win seems kinda restrictory.Yet they haven't been shown to be able to defeat everyone so obviously they can't do everything they want.
So Thor and BRB have protected themselves from transmutation w/ their hammers before?Well they have transmutated people so obviously if they wanted to yes but where hasa GL protected themselves from being transmutated
Strength HARDLY matters in this fight considering Hal and Kyle can will themselves to be their equals in strength.Most of those feats are still below Thor and BRB in strength nad besides the GLs have to amp themselves costing more enrgy and having to do more the Asgardians have it naturally so they are free to do more without having to amp themselvesHal broke Cyborg Superman's jaw, and he beat Mongul in a h2h fight before.
Kyle when he got mad punched asteroids to dust.
Oh, and a huge advantage the GLs can give themselves is speed. Their speed feats trump the shit out of any speed feats Thor or BRB have shown. Kyle has flown from one end of the universe to the other in under a day...This speed advantage again listen the Asgardains can travel at light speeds they can react to people with lightspeed abilities this isn't as big an advantage as you think.
Huh?Correction Kyle put together rock and made it a barren planet Norrin has made fertile bustling planet before. Plus most of the big crazy stuff Kyle does was as Ion his normal showings are in fact below SSKyle has indeed remaid planets before, and he's manipulated a solar system before.
Not to mention all of the other crazy crap he's done as well.
Nothing Norrin has shown puts him over Kyle.
Why should I do that? Hal and Kyle can do anything they want, and Thor and BRB are limited to whatever the hammer can do.They can do alot but they limited to power level herals meaning they can't do everything
Like I've said before; the power contained in the hammer is enough for a few wins outta 10, but at the end of the day Hal and Kyle would take the majority.And the rings are limited to however much power they are given from the Oan source which only makes them heralds otherwise every GL would eb able to do everything and we know that isn't true. Hal and Kyle are versatile but Thor and BRB can counter plenty of Herlad level attacks and more plus they don't have to worry about wasting energy to amp up their physical abilities they already have them. That gets them more wins if you ask me
Originally posted by Newjak
I'm not saying they were impressive but the fact is SS is just as good as Kyle and Hal and Thor is in the same league as SS and his powers can rival that of SS's so to say that Thor and BRB are going to be overwhelmed by Hal and Kyle is in fact a stupid thought on anyones part sondiering the being they have faced
Did I say something like Kyle and Hal would take this fight 10/10? No, I didn't. All I said was Kyle and Hal would take the majority here.
Originally posted by Newjak
SS has better reaction abilities then the GLs so whatever the ring can counter SS can think just as fast so no they don't have an advantage and by the way most of what the GLs have their rings do have to be pre-programed unless your refering to the auto-shields which aren't that good.
Yeah, SS definitely does not think as fast, or faster than the rings do.
The auras around their bodies compensate to any outside forces that are applied to it. So let's say that someone were to keep pummeling the outside of their auras. The shots become harder and harder.... and all the while the shield becomes stronger and stronger because of it. The user doesn't even have to will it.
Originally posted by Newjak
😆 This staement I'm sorry. Of course I can't argue it has been stated that the rings can do whatever they want but honestly you've got to have some common sense here BD.
I have enough common sense to say that Hal and Kyle would take the majority here.
Originally posted by Newjak
I mean Hulk has unlimited strength but no one is aying he is going to win an arm wrestling match with Eternity. Also they may be able to do alot but honestly why are GLs considered Herald level oh wait because they are herald level.
Did I say they were skyfather level in any way? No, all I said was the can do anything they WILL.... which is a true statement.
The only limitations are their will powers, and their creativity.
Can't say the same for Thor or BRB.
Originally posted by Newjak
Yet they haven't been shown to be able to defeat everyone so obviously they can't do everything they want.
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Of course they can't beat everyone. However it's certainly within their power to beat Thor and BRB for the majority.
Originally posted by Newjak
Well they have transmutated people so obviously if they wanted to yes but where hasa GL protected themselves from being transmutated
Hmm.... so that's a no. 😉
Hal and Kyle have both protected themselves from transmutation before.... many times.
Originally posted by Newjak
Most of those feats are still below Thor and BRB in strength nad besides the GLs have to amp themselves costing more enrgy and having to do more the Asgardians have it naturally so they are free to do more without having to amp themselves
I'm telling you jak (that's what I'm calling you from now on 😛) that strength hardly matters in this situation at all.
And considering all the things they've done with their rings, that hardly expells much energy.
We're talking about a guy who has turned a star into mere atoms, and a guy who has manipulated a solar system.
Originally posted by Newjak
This speed advantage again listen the Asgardains can travel at light speeds they can react to people with lightspeed abilities this isn't as big an advantage as you think.
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Hal is a guy who travelled 132 light years in mere seconds.
Kyle has travelled from one end of the universe to the other in under a day.
Thor has never delt with speeds like that, and he sure as hell couldn't handle that.
Originally posted by Newjak
Correction Kyle put together rock and made it a barren planet Norrin has made fertile bustling planet before. Plus most of the big crazy stuff Kyle does was as Ion his normal showings are in fact below SS
Hal has created Oa before, including all of its technology.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/7eb4b638.jpg
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Plus, as you already know (it was your idea in the first place 😛), Kyle can create Daxamites with access to the speed force.
Originally posted by Newjak
They can do alot but they limited to power level herals meaning they can't do everything
They can still do a lot more than Thor or BRB can even dream of.
I'd like to see Thor create living matter such as the ENTIRE GL corps fitted with rings.
Originally posted by Newjak
And the rings are limited to however much power they are given from the Oan source which only makes them heralds otherwise every GL would eb able to do everything and we know that isn't true. Hal and Kyle are versatile but Thor and BRB can counter plenty of Herlad level attacks and more plus they don't have to worry about wasting energy to amp up their physical abilities they already have them. That gets them more wins if you ask me
Kyle doesn't have to recharge his ring, and Hal is more than capable of taking down Thor or BRB.
Thor and Horseface aren't getting more wins. Honestly, they're too restricted. When it comes to being herald level, Kyle and Hal are top dogs. 😬
Originally posted by batdude123All right I'm not gonna answer every statement here because alot of it is the same but here is the key points.
Did I say something like Kyle and Hal would take this fight 10/10? No, I didn't. All I said was Kyle and Hal would take the majority here.Yeah, SS definitely does not think as fast, or faster than the rings do.
The auras around their bodies compensate to any outside forces that are applied to it. So let's say that someone were to keep pummeling the outside of their auras. The shots become harder and harder.... and all the while the shield becomes stronger and stronger because of it. The user doesn't even have to will it.
I have enough common sense to say that Hal and Kyle would take the majority here.
Did I say they were skyfather level in any way? No, all I said was the can do anything they [B]WILL
.... which is a true statement.The only limitations are their will powers, and their creativity.
Can't say the same for Thor or BRB.
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Of course they can't beat everyone. However it's certainly within their power to beat Thor and BRB for the majority.
Hmm.... so that's a no. 😉
Hal and Kyle have both protected themselves from transmutation before.... many times.
I'm telling you jak (that's what I'm calling you from now on 😛) that strength hardly matters in this situation at all.
And considering all the things they've done with their rings, that hardly expells much energy.
We're talking about a guy who has turned a star into mere atoms, and a guy who has manipulated a solar system.
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Hal is a guy who travelled 132 light years in mere seconds.
Kyle has travelled from one end of the universe to the other in under a day.
Thor has never delt with speeds like that, and he sure as hell couldn't handle that.
Hal has created Oa before, including all of its technology.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/7eb4b638.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/fb4d5672.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/4185695e.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/60bec87a.jpgPlus, as you already know (it was your idea in the first place 😛), Kyle can create Daxamites with access to the speed force.
They can still do a lot more than Thor or BRB can even dream of.
I'd like to see Thor create living matter such as the ENTIRE GL corps fitted with rings.
Kyle doesn't have to recharge his ring, and Hal is more than capable of taking down Thor or BRB.
Thor and Horseface aren't getting more wins. Honestly, they're too restricted. When it comes to being herald level, Kyle and Hal are top dogs. 😬 [/B]
SS can travel at warp speeds and be around the universe in short bits of time after all it was his primary job once.
Secondly yes the rings are based on willpower and creavtivity but that means as much as dirt because if you have a defenetive power level your not going past it no matter how much you will it unless your being given more juice then normal. And as far as wide range abilities the Hammers may never show the same microscopic details in versaitiliy the GL rings do but they have all the bases covered so to speak and I never tried to say they are equal in abilities but there are only so many powers one can do before alot of them because useless or one time beneficary powers.
Thor and BRB Hammers can take away the Bulk of what the GLs can do to them which is the point I was trying to make. Of course there are a number of other things they can do but in what reality will that contribute to the match. The Hammers have all the big bases covered which is what is important.
Next if physical close range abilities aren't important in this match then why is Superman(not saying superman should win) able beat a GL at all even if it is a minority yet your going to say people in Supes league of strength with far more abilties based in magic which isn't the most natural thing for a GL to block are not gonna have a much better chance especially when they can take it close.
Plus if BRB and Thor concentrate enough on it I'm sure they could drain Hal's ring leaving it two on one.
Thor has traveled across galaxies in moments as well of course it was teleporting but still the GLs aren't gonna be able to stay away from the Asgardians as long as they are using their abilities to the fullest.
Basically I've always seen Thor as kind of a slightly weaker Superman and a slightly less powerful GL but when you combine those two categories he really is tops in the herald class
Either way though I would love to see this battle actually done in a comic now that I think about it because it is close
Originally posted by NewjakHal has beaten Mongul in h2h and broke Cyborg Superman's jaw those guys are in Superman's league so Thor and Beta Ray Bill don't really have any strenght advantage.
Thor and BRB Hammers can take away the Bulk of what the GLs can do to them which is the point I was trying to make. Of course there are a number of other things they can do but in what reality will that contribute to the match. The Hammers have all the big bases covered which is what is important.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666And Thor has crackeds the dome piece of a celestial so what.
Hal has beaten Mongul in h2h and broke Cyborg Superman's jaw those guys are in Superman's league so Thor and Beta Ray Bill don't really have any strenght advantage.
The point is tha tthey have to willing amp themselves to those levels and often times it seems to be at the loss of their ability to do otherthings at the same time while Thor and BRB don't have that weakness as they are god given that strength so they are still free to do other things.
