Thor & Beta Ray Bill vs. GL Hal & Kyle

Originally posted by Newjak
All right I'm not gonna answer every statement here because alot of it is the same but here is the key points.

SS can travel at warp speeds and be around the universe in short bits of time after all it was his primary job once.

Secondly yes the rings are based on willpower and creavtivity but that means as much as dirt because if you have a defenetive power level your not going past it no matter how much you will it unless your being given more juice then normal. And as far as wide range abilities the Hammers may never show the same microscopic details in versaitiliy the GL rings do but they have all the bases covered so to speak and I never tried to say they are equal in abilities but there are only so many powers one can do before alot of them because useless or one time beneficary powers.

Thor and BRB Hammers can take away the Bulk of what the GLs can do to them which is the point I was trying to make. Of course there are a number of other things they can do but in what reality will that contribute to the match. The Hammers have all the big bases covered which is what is important.

Next if physical close range abilities aren't important in this match then why is Superman(not saying superman should win) able beat a GL at all even if it is a minority yet your going to say people in Supes league of strength with far more abilties based in magic which isn't the most natural thing for a GL to block are not gonna have a much better chance especially when they can take it close.

Plus if BRB and Thor concentrate enough on it I'm sure they could drain Hal's ring leaving it two on one.

Thor has traveled across galaxies in moments as well of course it was teleporting but still the GLs aren't gonna be able to stay away from the Asgardians as long as they are using their abilities to the fullest.

Basically I've always seen Thor as kind of a slightly weaker Superman and a slightly less powerful GL but when you combine those two categories he really is tops in the herald class

Either way though I would love to see this battle actually done in a comic now that I think about it because it is close

Surfer DOES NOT use his speed in fights. Period. I don't care what twisted logic you put on the Thor/Surfer fights; those fights have ALWAYS been "blast blast blast.... " Kyle and Hal can do much much much much (x 10000) more than just that. 😐

I've acknowledged Thor's range of abilities in this fight. The godly duo can get a few wins, but anything more than 3-4/10 is majorly pushing it.

Especially when they'd have other independent GLs, and Daxamites on their asses as well.

There are SO many different things Kyle and Hal could do to win this fight, I really don't care to enumerate all the possibilities.

Superman could only compete with Hal if he were to use his reflex/combat speed advantage in a fight with Hal. Even then, he'd still wind up with the minorities of the wins.

Hal could suck them INTO his ring as well.

GLs take this fight.

Originally posted by batdude123
Surfer DOES NOT use his speed in fights. Period. I don't care what twisted logic you put on the Thor/Surfer fights; those fights have ALWAYS been "blast blast blast.... " Kyle and Hal can do much much much much (x 10000) more than just that. 😐

I've acknowledged Thor's range of abilities in this fight. The godly duo can get a few wins, but anything more than 3-4/10 is majorly pushing it.

Especially when they'd have other independent GLs, and Daxamites on their asses as well.

There are SO many different things Kyle and Hal could do to win this fight, I really don't care to enumerate all the possibilities.

Superman could only compete with Hal if he were to use his reflex/combat speed advantage in a fight with Hal. Even then, he'd still wind up with the minorities of the wins.

Hal could suck them INTO his ring as well.

GLs take this fight.

I haven't taken into account the constructs becuae for some reason I just refuse to believe Hal can create the entire GL corps without some other factor being invloved and woul like to see a scan of it.

Secondly the Daxamites take a strain on Kyle yes I know it takes awhile but most of the Daxamites are completey dependent upon the energy they have which Thor and BRB can drain very easily.

Thats right Superman cna take a minority now take Superman plus some magical abilities no real weakness to exploit and the fact they can do a number of things to counter the GLs

Yeah well think of Thor and BRB as the magical GLs because they take the slight majority in this fight and Hal and Kyle are the ones getting 3-4/10 wins in this fight.

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Originally posted by juggernaut66666
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Originally posted by Newjak
Well Thor and BRB could just teleport out of the ring or take their souls.

I haven't taken into account the constructs becuae for some reason I just refuse to believe Hal can create the entire GL corps without some other factor being invloved and woul like to see a scan of it.

Secondly the Daxamites take a strain on Kyle yes I know it takes awhile but most of the Daxamites are completey dependent upon the energy they have which Thor and BRB can drain very easily.

Thats right Superman cna take a minority now take Superman plus some magical abilities no real weakness to exploit and the fact they can do a number of things to counter the GLs

Yeah well think of Thor and BRB as the magical GLs because they take the slight majority in this fight and Hal and Kyle are the ones getting 3-4/10 wins in this fight.

While inside the ring, Hal or Kyle would be like God. Thor & BRB pretty much couldn't do anything w/o being subjected to their will. If Hal and/or Kyle didn't want them to escape, they wouldn't be able to. They could just stop time inside there, and keep them frozen.

It's in the thread Juggs posted.

Um, with Daxamites and a shit load of GLs to worry about, the hammer boys would fall.... BADLY.

Thor doesn't have the reaction/combat speeds of Supes.... making that statement moot.

Originally posted by batdude123
While inside the ring, Hal or Kyle would be like God. Thor & BRB pretty much couldn't do anything w/o being subjected to their will. If Hal and/or Kyle didn't want them to escape, they wouldn't be able to. They could just stop time inside there, and keep them frozen.

It's in the thread Juggs posted.

Um, with Daxamites and a shit load of GLs to worry about, the hammer boys would fall.... BADLY.

Thor doesn't have the reaction/combat speeds of Supes.... making that statement moot.

Speaking of time hasn't Thor done something with time before I can't remeber wether he froze it or just traveled it.

Anyways like I said I'm even factoring that GL core thing itno the equation seems a little to out there for me to believe it was all Hal.

Daxamites aren't that Bad Thor and BRB could drain all the sunlight and GL energy from them pretty easily.

Although it could serve as big enough distraction for Kyle and Hal to do something maybe causing a stalemate so I'll say 5/10 push

Originally posted by Newjak
Well then Maybe Thor would just teleport all them to Asgard.

Speaking of time hasn't Thor done something with time before I can't remeber wether he froze it or just traveled it.

Anyways like I said I'm even factoring that GL core thing itno the equation seems a little to out there for me to believe it was all Hal.

Daxamites aren't that Bad Thor and BRB could drain all the sunlight and GL energy from them pretty easily.

Although it could serve as big enough distraction for Kyle and Hal to do something maybe causing a stalemate so I'll say 5/10 push

Daxamites aren't that bad? 😕 Daxamites are Superman level... combine that with the fact that Kyle can give them access to the speed force in which the can take and/or lend speed?? Yeah...

Anyway, I see this as being a 7/10 majority for Hally boy and Kyle. 😬 😉

Originally posted by batdude123
Daxamites aren't that bad? 😕 Daxamites are Superman level... combine that with the fact that Kyle can give them access to the speed force in which the can take and/or lend speed?? Yeah...

Anyway, I see this as being a 7/10 majority for Hally boy and Kyle. 😬 😉

if the Gls are as powerful as you've described them, how do you even see the Hammer bros taking 3 wins?

Originally posted by masterbruce
if the Gls are as powerful as you've described them, how do you even see the Hammer bros taking 3 wins?

To keep Thor fanboys from bitching... 😖hifty: 😛 🥷

Nah, I think it's within their power sets to take a minority of the wins. 😉

Originally posted by batdude123
Daxamites aren't that bad? 😕 Daxamites are Superman level... combine that with the fact that Kyle can give them access to the speed force in which the can take and/or lend speed?? Yeah...

Anyway, I see this as being a 7/10 majority for Hally boy and Kyle. 😬 😉

They are only Superman level characters without the Superman speed fighting feats 😉

Anyways the problem is that one person on your tema in Hal has limited charage and can be drained making it 2 on 1 and the same thing can be said for the Daxamites sun energy and GL energy being drained meaning they would be normal humans......oh this gives me an idea in the Superman Thor fight 😈

Anyways if you think about it The Hammers have never been drained or run out of energy so Hal and Kyle by logic would never be able to drai nthe Hammers while Hal can and with no charge Hal become shuman until he can recharge taking him out f the fight.

Originally posted by Newjak
You do know the whole speed lending thing was just something me and B-Dub put togehter right for the tourny. The Daxamites themselves never showed that abilitity 😛

They are only Superman level characters without the Superman speed fighting feats 😉

Anyways the problem is that one person on your tema in Hal has limited charage and can be drained making it 2 on 1 and the same thing can be said for the Daxamites sun energy and GL energy being drained meaning they would be normal humans......oh this gives me an idea in the Superman Thor fight 😈

Anyways if you think about it The Hammers have never been drained or run out of energy so Hal and Kyle by logic would never be able to drai nthe Hammers while Hal can and with no charge Hal become shuman until he can recharge taking him out f the fight.

Kyle's constructs HAVE indeed given speed before:

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Daxamites are SUPPOSEDLY (I don't buy into it) better than Superman.

Power sapping from Hal has been tried millions of times... people have failed. Hal either shunts the energy sapping forces elsewhere, or he simply wills the energy NOT to be sucked out.

Btw, nice try with Superman. Ruin tried it, and Superman casually explained how his body can absorb energy just as fast as it's siphoned out. 🙂 So, it really wouldn't work.

Power sapping is not even a 10000th of a percent of what all the GLs can do.

Originally posted by Newjak
You do know the whole speed lending thing was just something me and B-Dub put togehter right for the tourny. The Daxamites themselves never showed that abilitity 😛

They are only Superman level characters without the Superman speed fighting feats 😉

A) your memory must be bad. Because she did do that (well...one of his construcs. He could just mix them together) 😬

B) ask mon el about daxamite fighting speeds

Originally posted by batdude123
Kyle's constructs HAVE indeed given speed before:

http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2greenlanterncircleoffire02113.jpg
http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2greenlanterncircleoffire02123.jpg

Daxamites are SUPPOSEDLY (I don't buy into it) better than Superman.

Power sapping from Hal has been tried millions of times... people have failed. Hal either shunts the energy sapping forces elsewhere, or he simply wills the energy NOT to be sucked out.

Btw, nice try with Superman. Ruin tried it, and Superman casually explained how his body can absorb energy just as fast as it's siphoned out. 🙂 So, it really wouldn't work.

Power sapping is not even a 10000th of a percent of what all the GLs can do.

Daxamites aren't better than Superman heck Superman trashed a thousand Imperiex Probes where one of was to much for a thousand Daxamites I think that was the number?

You do understand that Thor and BRB aren't just normal beings right when it comes to Hal he may be able to will other people off but trying to stop two magical hammers from draining him is different and give me an actual feat this time instead of saying he has done it a million times.

And power draining isn't even completely what Thor can od

How about this Thor simply takes the souls of Kyle and Hal and he is done with it. Before you go off on a ring tangent and blocking it the rings don't block everything that is why GLs can loose and they don't stop all attacks. The auto shields only protect a GL from physical attacks everything else the GLs themselves have to do.

Originally posted by Newjak
I know one of them did but not the Daxamites.

Daxamites aren't better than Superman heck Superman trashed a thousand Imperiex Probes where one of was to much for a thousand Daxamites I think that was the number?

You do understand that Thor and BRB aren't just normal beings right when it comes to Hal he may be able to will other people off but trying to stop two magical hammers from draining him is different and give me an actual feat this time instead of saying he has done it a million times.

And power draining isn't even completely what Thor can od

How about this Thor simply takes the souls of Kyle and Hal and he is done with it. Before you go off on a ring tangent and blocking it the rings don't block everything that is why GLs can loose and they don't stop all attacks. The auto shields only protect a GL from physical attacks everything else the GLs themselves have to do.

That's 'cause Superman is just that pimp. 😊

You realize Hal has resisted it from skyfather level characters...

How about Hal and Kyle can do anything they can possibly think of in a fight against Thor or BRB. How about they can also suck out their souls, or do anything Thor can do, and then some? How about that?

Kyle and Hal take the majority here. 🙄

Question out of curiosity: If I chucked Thor and BRB onto Oa and made them fight the Guardians does any actually think they could just absorb all attacks and suck their souls out?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Question out of curiosity: If I chucked Thor and BRB onto Oa and made them fight the Guardians does any actually think they could just absorb all attacks and suck their souls out?

Originally posted by batdude123
That's 'cause Superman is just that pimp. 😊

You realize Hal has resisted it from skyfather level characters...

How about Hal and Kyle can do anything they can possibly think of in a fight against Thor or BRB. How about they can also suck out their souls, or do anything Thor can do, and then some? How about that?

Kyle and Hal take the majority here. 🙄

And Thor can do it plus it's magical which is harder to block plus now that I think about it Thor could break the connection betweem Kyle and Hal by using his hammer to break the connection thus permenatly draining them for awhile so BRB can then kil both of them.

He did to Cain and broke the connection between him and Cyttorak which by the way Cyttorak is above Skyfather as well.
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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Question out of curiosity: If I chucked Thor and BRB onto Oa and made them fight the Guardians does any actually think they could just absorb all attacks and suck their souls out?

But of obviously there not effecting actual lower skyfather beings

What exactly would Kyle be doing while this happened, assuming it even plausible? The cucaracha? 😬

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What exactly would Kyle be doing while this happened, assuming it even plausible? The cucaracha? 😬

Thor could reverse time until Kyle and Hal are babies, he could suck their souls drain Hal's ring