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Originally posted by Soljer
Ermm....Aren't those the ONLY showings of the Ultimator? And wasn't that Mxy (not the most reliable source) talking?
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If you knew ANYTHING about DC, you would know this was all part of a DC event. Every Book was cannon and was puposely made to show the power of thier villians. Thanks. It's cannon. and True. Mxy does not lie unless it's in a gag. It's written into his character.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI think what he was trying to say is that thre isnt enough evidence at panel to declear the winner.
If you knew ANYTHING about DC, you would know this was all part of a DC event. Every Book was cannon and was puposely made to show the power of thier villians. Thanks. It's cannon. and True. Mxy does not lie unless it's in a gag. It's written into his character.
But they seem to be the same, no?
BtW you should have waited with the voting.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I think what he was trying to say is that thre isnt enough evidence at panel to declear the winner.But they seem to be the same, no?
BtW you should have waited with the voting.
The Ultimator seems to destroy other realities where Multi Eternity seems more nicer. It would be like Galactus vs. Hyperstorm. forver and ever with the Ultimator being the aggressor.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
No way to tell. Ultimator only has one showing and Multi-Eternity has no feats.
Niether of them need any feats. Multi-Eternity is the embodiement of the Multiverse. He doesn't have to do one thing to prove his power. He is simply power. And The ultimator is the Embodiment of the 10th Dimension. He's thier Eternity. And since thier Dimension is far far superior to the 5ths and the 5ths is far superior to the 3rd(ours), it would seem the ultimator is equal to or superior to the Multi-eternity.
The only differnce in the ultimator is that he more likely represents the omniverse. His description of himself and what would happen makes it seem as if his destruction is the destruction of everything. Where Multi Eternity could be destroyed and marvel would go on. Since There are many multi-eternities that make up the cosmic vortex of marvel's Omniverse.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Niether of them need any feats. Multi-Eternity is the embodiement of the Multiverse. He doesn't have to do one thing to prove his power. He is simply power. And The ultimator is the Embodiment of the 10th Dimension. He's thier Eternity. And since thier Dimension is far far superior to the 5ths and the 5ths is far superior to the 3rd(ours), it would seem the ultimator is equal to or superior to the Multi-eternity.The only differnce in the ultimator is that he more likely represents the omniverse. His description of himself and what would happen makes it seem as if his destruction is the destruction of everything. Where Multi Eternity could be destroyed and marvel would go on. Since There are many multi-eternities that make up the cosmic vortex of marvel's Omniverse.
BtW: DC don't have a own omni-verse.
Hierarchy would go something like this:
0. External Forces - Pre-retcon Blue Brother
1. Presence - GEB
2. Lucifer
3. Michael
4. Spectre (power varies)
5. 10th dimentional Imp's
ect.
Marvel:
0. The one above all - Pre-retcon Red Brother
1. Pre-recon Beyonder
2. Pre-retcon Molecule man
3. Living Tribunal
4. Ultimate Nullifier
5. Multi-Eternity/-Infinity
I wouldent put the Heart of the Universe in it because Thanos only destroyed and re-created one universe with it.
Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet just affected the 616-reality and one he created with the Gauntlet.
And when he absorbed the blast Quasar with the Nullifier fierd at him Quasar said:
If I miss the entire universe might flush down the tube.
So he fired a universal blast.
It was later in the Abraxas arc it was stated that it could destroy the Multi-verse.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Ehh ... 1 dimension = 1 universe.
10th is the supreme, so he rules all the dimensions in the Multi-verse.
Don't be fooled by the dub omni-verse, the multi-verse is the same.BtW: DC don't have a own omni-verse.
Hierarchy would go something like this:
0. External Forces - Pre-retcon Blue Brother
1. Presence - GEB
2. Lucifer
3. Michael
4. Spectre (power varies)
5. 10th dimentional Imp's
ect.Marvel:
0. The one above all - Pre-retcon Red Brother
1. Pre-recon Beyonder
2. Pre-retcon Molecule man
3. Living Tribunal
4. Ultimate Nullifier
5. Multi-Eternity/-InfinityI wouldent put the Heart of the Universe in it because Thanos only destroyed and re-created one universe with it.
might flush down the tube.
Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet just affected the 616-reality and one he created with the Gauntlet.
And when he absorbed the blast Quasar with the Nullifier fierd at him Quasar said:
If I miss the entire [B]universe
So he fired a universal blast.It was later in the Abraxas arc it was stated that it could destroy the Multi-verse. [/B]
I did a complete hierachy of the DCU. check it out
The Presence
GEB
The Source(as it is God's power it powers everything in the DCU)
The Word
Micheal(God's power in Vertigo equal to the source)
Lucifer(God's Will-Equal to Michael)
The Spectre(The Wrath of God the most powerful in the main DCU)
The Metatron
The Ultimator ( The end of everything should he die)
Krona( strong enough to over come powers like the Oan battery and the IG)
Mr. Mxy
Batmite
The Anti Monitor and Later Alexandor Luthor with AM's power added
Imperiex
Kismet
Ion 2(who has all the power of Parallax and then some)
Dominus
The Quantum Mechanics
Infinite Man
The Grandmother Box
The Anti-life
S'ivaa the Destoyer
The Endless
Extant
The Black Racer
The Worlogog
The God Wave
Darksied
Takion
Trigon
High Father
The Phantom Stranger
Ganthet
Thunderbolt
Nabu-Mordru
Shazam
Zeus
Superman Prime
FireStorm Elemental
Auron
Infinity Man
The Top tier Gl's
Forgot the external forces ...
The Presence
GEB
The Source(as it is God's power it powers everything in the DCU)
The Word
Micheal(God's power in Vertigo equal to the source)
Lucifer(God's Will-Equal to Michael)
The Spectre(The Wrath of God the most powerful in the main DCU)
The Metatron
The Ultimator ( The end of everything should he die)
Krona( strong enough to over come powers like the Oan battery and the IG)
Mr. Mxy
Batmite
The Anti Monitor and Later Alexandor Luthor with AM's power added
Imperiex
Kismet
Ion 2(who has all the power of Parallax and then some)
Dominus
The Quantum Mechanics
Infinite Man
The Grandmother Box
The Anti-life
S'ivaa the Destoyer
The Endless
Extant
The Black Racer
The Worlogog
The God Wave
Darksied
Takion
Trigon
High Father
The Phantom Stranger
Ganthet
Thunderbolt
Nabu-Mordru
Shazam
Zeus
Superman Prime
FireStorm Elemental
Auron
Infinity Man
The Top tier Gl's
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Forgot the external forces ...The Presence and the Beast are equal's, they are one and the same.
In the main DCU, The presence is supreme, So I put Geb lower trying to compensate for the different God's of each universe.
Thought Lucifer was second to the Presence, why Michael?
Michael is like the Heart of the universe. He's God's power.Metatron? - Can link some fact's?
He's the voice of God.... Don't state such things, the gauntlet have no place in DC, it's no point in basing something on speculations.
I'm going off of JLAvengers in some cases as it was cannon for both for a while and still is cannon for DC.Werent the Anti-Monitor a Multi-versal threat, wouldent he be about Ultimator's level, since if he destroyed the Multi-verse Ultimator would die: To destroy me you have to destroy every universe in all times.
The AntiMonitor was destroying everything and every universe in the 3rd dimension. The imps weren't effected at all and the Ultimator is very far removed from the 3rd dimension.
Seems ok ...
[i]Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
In the main DCU, The presence is supreme, So I put Geb lower trying to compensate for the different God's of each universe.
Michael is like the Heart of the universe. He's God's power.
I'm going off of JLAvengers in some cases as it was cannon for both for a while and still is cannon for DC.
The AntiMonitor was destroying everything and every universe in the 3rd dimension. The imps weren't effected at all and the Ultimator is very far removed from the 3rd dimension.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But then again, if Ultimator succeded in absorbing all the dimension's then it would be non canon since the DCU still exists.If he didn't succed, he would have to be stoped, so who stoped him?
I dont' remember what stopped him. He was stopped or he stopped himself. I have to dig thru my books and see why he stopped.
Originally posted by Galan007
Meh,If Mxy could outsmart Ultimator to beat him, then I'd be fairly confident to say that Multi-Eternity could do the same.
The point with Mxy "beating" the Ultimator was that Mxy found Morbious to be so boring that Morbius bored Ulty to sleep. There was no physical way to beat Ulty as even the combined might of the 5D imps were nothing. Mxy has the power to wipe clean beings like Multi Eternity and yet his power was nothing compared to Ulti's. Ultimator not only consumed entire realities, But Higher tier realities where more powerful beings resided. Multi-Eternity wouldn't think like Mxy and therefor wouldn't win in the same fashion.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlMxy's claim alone wasn't enough for me to even once think that the story he told Supes about Ultimator was even real. It more then likely way a ruse to make Supes think he was a hero.
The point with Mxy "beating" the Ultimator was that Mxy found Morbious to be so boring that Morbius bored Ulty to sleep. There was no physical way to beat Ulty as even the combined might of the 5D imps were nothing. Mxy has the power to wipe clean beings like Multi Eternity and yet his power was nothing compared to Ulti's. Ultimator not only consumed entire realities, But Higher tier realities where more powerful beings resided. Multi-Eternity wouldn't think like Mxy and therefor wouldn't win in the same fashion.